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I do agree with the general sentiment here and prefer Pic and text LPs. That said i'd still absolutely watch it if you did do the VLP.
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If you do it, I'll find a way to watch.
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Grey Hunter posted:
I'd be down. RTS lends a little more to video than turn based stuff. I'd also be down for another video turn here in WitP.
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May 4, 2017 19:22
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4 May 1943 Italian torpedo boat Perseo, sunk east of Kelibia, Tunisia by gunfire of British destroyers Nubian, Petard, and Paladin while escorting an ammunition freighter, which exploded.
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May 4, 2017 19:32
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Did the Italian navy sink goddamn anything that wasn't Italian?
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wukkar posted:Did the Italian navy sink goddamn anything that wasn't Italian? I have a vague recollection of them blowing up a German transport once or twice?
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wukkar posted:Did the Italian navy sink goddamn anything that wasn't Italian? Technically they sunk a few british mines?
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As I recall, the Italian Navy was mostly too busy overloading their warships with supplies for the North African front and charging them through the British gauntlet under heavy fire to sink much of anything.
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Guys, guys, let's be fair. They occasionally sank a few obsolete Royal Navy light cruisers in exchange for getting their entire battleship fleet sunk or crippled in drydock for the entire war.
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wukkar posted:Did the Italian navy sink goddamn anything that wasn't Italian? Their underwater commandos were actually really good and at their height managed to sink/disable two British battleships.
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McGavin posted:
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Also, a few YouTube LP superstars have really annoying voices. Having said that, I could listen to Research Indicates for hours. 
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Why did you have to remind me of that unfinished Crimson Skies LP? The world needs more RI and crazy planes.
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wukkar posted:Did the Italian navy sink goddamn anything that wasn't Italian? The RN and its sister navies lost some 126 ships in the Mediterranean over the course of the war, more than a third of their total losses. The book I'm using doesn't conveniently tabulate who killed them, but I'm guessing Italians accounted for quite a few. Much of the reason the Italians keep popping up in my posts is, as Gnoman alluded to, the missions they're forced to undertake. Consider the state of the ground war right now: On Sunday, British troops will take Tunis. By the following Saturday, the remainder of German and Italian forces in North Africa will surrender. Italy's navy is those forces' only lifeline, whether to deliver supplies or evacuate troops, and while the Mediterranean is narrow, Malta is conveniently placed to interdict that line and the Allies enjoy air superiority. It's a tough time for the Regia Marina.
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i never really paid attention to what the hell the Italians were doing in ww2, but considering how suicidal and stupid Barbarossa and Japan's idea to fight the USA were, i'm going to guess that Italy in North Africa was either the dumbest loving thing possible, or in an upset, actually the most reasonable Axis plan out of three very stupid ones.
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Italy in North Africa could have been kind of reasonable given a few changes to the scope conditions. 1. Iachino and Campioni drown in bathtubs or die at an early age. RM leadership was atrocious. Campioni was too cautious and Iachino was an idiot. 2. Domenico Cavagnari trips on a high-technology rock and dies. Italian radar technology was potentially world leading in the mid 1930s, but Cavagnari halted development. This made the RM a fair-weather force only. I suppose some deficiencies could have been made up for by heavy emphasis on night fighting a la IJN, but the Gufo installed on capital ships with trained technicians in 1939 would make a big difference. 3. The Italians don't declare war with approximately 1/3 of their total merchant tonnage at pier in Allied ports. 4. The Italians take the war seriously and don't view it as a "take a few thousand casualties and show up at the negotiating table" - I think this, plus too much Mahan, led them to be very strategically cautious in the naval area. 5. Plan for amphibious assault operations and expand parachutist training earlier. The Italians actually had fairly decent capabilities in terms of parachute infantry, but not enough on hand early. Once the war is under way: 1. Plan for and immediately hit Malta with seaborne and airborne assault. 2. Push quickly for the Suez and commit more troops - once you get across, the situation in the Med becomes a lot easier. Once a lot of African, Indian, ANZ, etc troops start showing up things get pretty tough. 3. Ignore Greece and Yugoslavia for a while. 4. Get the Germans to come to the party from the beginning. edit: forgot a really good one: begin prospecting for oil in Libya early. Build a strategic petroleum reserve. KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at 13:48 on May 5, 2017 |
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The Italians are the smartest Axis power, though. They figured out they should surrender in 1943.
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wukkar posted:Did the Italian navy sink goddamn anything that wasn't Italian? HMS Valiant, HMS Queen Elizabeth, HMS York.
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Italian Fascist leaders were hilariously stupid and inept. Their entire political standpoint was "WE'RE THE BEST IN THE WORLD" and they convinced themselves of it, to the point where they were blind to Italy's shortfalls (especially regarding the military) and never considered that going to war might not be the best idea. Which makes modern Italian neo-fascism especially hilarious since it's advertised as "when He was in charge the trains ran on time" (i.e.: things were better under fascism) while the reality is that Italy became a great power after WWI, but thanks to fascism it wasn't a great power anymore by the time WWII rolled around. I don't think fascist Italy even had any major military victories against other modern, well-armed countries (i.e.: not Ethiopia, for example). Source: I'm Italian.
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I'm going to go for Tunis '43, but as you guys want a SS LP, it will be put back until after To End All Wars ends. I've picked the game up now though, to commit myself.
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May 5, 2017 14:09
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There's a To End All Wars LP?
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Just want to chime in that although I don't post in here really, I read every update, and would also read Tunis. Thanks for doing these, Grey!
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gradenko_2000 posted:There's a To End All Wars LP? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3814695 Yes, I'm playing as the central powers in an all out attack on Russia, and its going about as well as you would expect!
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   Someone decided we didn't lose enough planes yesterday and orders a suicide run.  We get a small measure of revenge.  Then a bit more.   I push back one of the few remaining units in China.  The Chinese react by advancing a division into machine gun fire.   This is why I'm moving troops out of China – what resistance is left is a pittance, and I think I can score more points with the troops elsewhere. I just need to clear a rail line and then ship them south. 
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(Western) Australia's going to be speaking Japanese soon! Can't wait!
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I think any Grog game where a human played Italy would have to have them accomplish wildly ahistorical objectives. Reason being that a human doing literally anything would be better than what the Italians did during WW2. The Italians contributed a lot of manpower to the Axis cause but beyond that they were an enromous drag on German military resources.Night10194 posted:The Italians are the smartest Axis power, though. The smartest fascist power was Spain. Franco rides Axis military help to total victory over the astonishingly incompetent Soviet backed Republicans. Then, when Hitler demands he go to war, Franco makes enough half hearted gestures to avoid getting invaded by either side. The real question is who was the absolute dumbest? Romania, for continuing the war after her entire army was wiped out at Stalingrad? Japan, for trying to bleed the Americans to some kind of truce, despite the Americans virtually being totes ok with airborne genocide? The Soviet Union and Stalin, for literally believing that the entire intelligence network of the KGB saying "The Germans are going to invade" was a cleverly designed and executed British plot?
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Italy is one of my favorite powers in Hearts of Iron 4 because I can usually conquer France and Germany by 1939, and sometimes Britain too. Not really a real grog game though. Hell, Operation Leone Marino is more realistic than the German Sea Lion. At least the Italian fleet and transports exist!
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A White Guy posted:The smartest fascist power was Spain. Franco rides Axis military help to total victory over the astonishingly incompetent Soviet backed Republicans. Then, when Hitler demands he go to war, Franco makes enough half hearted gestures to avoid getting invaded by either side. I dunno, Paul Preston argues in his biography of Franco that Franco really wanted to enter into the war, but that the kind of material and support he asked from Hitler made the Germans go "LOL NO". And the Republican side was mighty incompetent but let's be frank, it was a competition to see who was dumber.
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It's definitely Romania, they joined the Axis and were immediately carved up by other Axis minors.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:It's definitely Romania, they joined the Axis and were immediately carved up by other Axis minors. Isn't it even better, they joined the Axis AFTER Germany made them give up Transylvania and Dobrudja?
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Actually its America we could have stopped the Cold War if only we listened to Patton and smashed the Russians. 
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Jack2142 posted:Actually its America we could have stopped the Trump if only we listened to Patton and didn't vote for cheeto hitler FTFY?
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What was Republican Spain's problem in the war? Was it just that they were composed of lots of different factions, including anarchists and whatnot who were prone to decentralization? Or was it more that Germany was able to provide the Nationalists with more direct support than they were getting from the USSR and volunteer groups?
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Flavius Belisarius posted:What was Republican Spain's problem in the war? Was it just that they were composed of lots of different factions, including anarchists and whatnot who were prone to decentralization? Or was it more that Germany was able to provide the Nationalists with more direct support than they were getting from the USSR and volunteer groups? It was about half and half. They might have been able to overcome the infighting if their foes weren't being constantly supplied and aided by the fascists (while the western democracies stayed studiously neutral); and they might have been able to overcome (or at least delay their defeat at the hands of) the fascist interventions if they hadn't been subsumed by infighting and recriminations among the various factions.
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Flavius Belisarius posted:What was Republican Spain's problem in the war? Was it just that they were composed of lots of different factions, including anarchists and whatnot who were prone to decentralization? Or was it more that Germany was able to provide the Nationalists with more direct support than they were getting from the USSR and volunteer groups? Yes
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A whole bunch of European governments were heavily opposed to the whole "communism" thing and didn't want to assist the left-leaning types.
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Not to mention the NKVD running around slaughtering leading and capable communists willy nilly because they didn't follow Moscows line to the T.
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the soviets were also actively discouraging revolutionary tendencies in spain, not only limited to the anarchists but encompassing even straight-up orthodox communists stalin was very much not eager to be seen by the world as someone who was going to try to undermine their governments and sponsor revolutions all over the shop stalin was a dick
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The Americans were supplying oil to Franco as well as intelligence on shipments to republican Spain so they could be attacked.
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People always see Republican Spain as a victim, but they threw an overnight revolution upon winning their election, running around and killing burgoise. I'm not saying either side were good guys, they were both a few steps short of open conflict before the election, with the extreme on each side running assassinations, but the Communists were militarily dominant on the Republican side, and while the war saw mass executions on both sides the Fascists, burgoise, Catholics and Monarchist could legitimately claim self defense. In any normal situation I'd go with the moderate Republicans, but And what kind of idiots celebrate a victory by going amok anyway. Also, Franco (who I would consider to have been mostly in the Catholic faction) legit protected Jews, to a greater degree than even the Vatican (which had less oppertunity) and Yugoslavia. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 08:57 on May 6, 2017 |
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RA Rx posted:People always see Republican Spain as a victim, but they threw an overnight revolution upon winning their election, running around and killing burgoise. Hahaha of all the things you're going to go "both sides are bad" on the Spanish Civil War? Goons.txt
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