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mediadave posted:https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/860442571335749632 Just chiming in to say that I live in a seat that Labour lost and I didn't see a single door knocker or leaflet from any of the parties. The polling station was equally as empty. I'd like to think they were focusing on campaigning for the GE but I doubt I'll see anything then either.
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mediadave posted:By all anecdotal accounts the new Labour members don't seem too interested in getting out there and having conversations with actual voters, and the pre-2015 'red tory' membership has by this point been successfully cast out of active membership. The first part of this is mostly wrong, and the second part is completely wrong.
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Guavanaut posted:What can you do about those voters? Bigger flegs and controls on coffee mugs aren't going to cut it. Point them in the direction of the people who are actually causing the problems i.e. the wealthy and liberal capitalism. Get pissed off, show that you share people's frustration at the status quo and point out who their real enemies are. It's not going to happen overnight but I think it's there, and more importantly it's not a continuation of the neoliberal agenda that is both killing the country and politically dead. Basically what we are seeing now is the end result of 30 years of consensus neoliberalism pointing the finger first at trade unions, then immigrants and Europe as the source of societies ills. Turns out when the majority of the politicial establishment and the media whips people into a frenzy over foreigners to mask the abject failings of the liberal system, this is what comes out the other side.
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Every party seems to be using the Hillary strategy of not campaigning so that the people who might vote against them won't notice the elections are happening.
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mediadave posted:https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/860442571335749632 It's not "casting around for someone to blame", gathering this data is basic procedure. Any halfway competent party collects this stuff. Paul Waugh knows this. Stop buying into the idiotic spin of every middle-aged journalist you see on Twitter.
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I only buy into spin from student-age journalists, and the elderly.
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jabby posted:To be fair it's getting increasingly more difficult to argue for Labour in local government given that having a Labour council means you will be targeted for harsher budget cuts. Remarkable. Is this the new Labour outlook.
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So basically UKIP bled a lot of support from Labour over the past few years, and now they are useless, the voters who used to vote Labour (or other parties) are now switching over to the Tories? It depressingly seems like the only way for Labour to counter this, barring a complete overhaul of media and reporting bias, is to switch back to blaming immigration for everything. I can't decide if I'd rather see Labour implode with infighting due to Corbyn or anyone else trying to drag them left, or see them go back to their Blairite ways to maybe me slightly less poo poo than the Tories. Comedy option C - get them to campaign on a Tory-lite / centre left basis and then when in power announce entirely socialist policies. I mean, it's not like governments actually stick to their election policies is it? Maphis posted:Just chiming in to say that I live in a seat that Labour lost and I didn't see a single door knocker or leaflet from any of the parties. The polling station was equally as empty. I live in a Lib Dem - Labour battlezone and got lots of communication from both parties (Labour held the council, Tories made a lot of gains but here from the Lib Dems mainly). Slight silver lining that people aren't believing the Lib Dem lies this time, unfortunately many seem to believe the Tory ones.
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Wolfsbane posted:The first part of this is mostly wrong, and the second part is completely wrong. Where the gently caress are they then? Where the gently caress is this movement? Biggest party membership in western Europe? They should be increasing door knocking five fold on 2015 - so where are they?
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May 5, 2017 13:01
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Robot Mil posted:So basically UKIP bled a lot of support from Labour over the past few years, and now they are useless, the voters who used to vote Labour (or other parties) are now switching over to the Tories? They will not believe fuckin Wes Streeting or Jeremy Corbyn or even to some extent John Mann telling them that immigrants are the problem. Not believable. Here's how you get these people back: - Offer them a coherent, optimistic message. There currently isn't one. - Have people who aren't basically long-in-the-tooth student politicians like Abbott and Corbyn deliver that message.
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Pissflaps posted:Corbyn needs to be humiliated again in June for there to be any chance he'll stand down. Even then I don't think he will. I really think Labour will split if he doesn't stand down after the general election. To recover some of the lost brand name recognition I'd suggest the new moderate party calls themselves "Don't Know" which will give them a major leg up in polling.
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mediadave posted:Where the gently caress are they then? Where the gently caress is this movement? Biggest party membership in western Europe? They should be increasing door knocking five fold on 2015 - so where are they? On twitter.
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mediadave posted:Where the gently caress are they then? Where the gently caress is this movement? Biggest party membership in western Europe? They should be increasing door knocking five fold on 2015 - so where are they?
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If labour was going to split they'd have done so already. Were seeing the biggest detractors purge themselves instead of standing, I think the most we'd see would be defections to Tories and Lib Dems.
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Robot Mil posted:So basically UKIP bled a lot of support from Labour over the past few years, and now they are useless, the voters who used to vote Labour (or other parties) are now switching over to the Tories? Nah UKIP always drew most heavily from active Tory voters who are going back to them, Labour lost their base to apathy or nationalist parties or Greens after New Labour and hasn't recovered.
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May 5, 2017 13:11
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MikeCrotch posted:If labour was going to split they'd have done so already.
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mediadave posted:Where the gently caress are they then? Where the gently caress is this movement? Biggest party membership in western Europe? They should be increasing door knocking five fold on 2015 - so where are they?
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Maybe a more reflective headcase would consider that someone largely liked by people like them was not representative of the aspirations of the country as a whole. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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MikeCrotch posted:If labour was going to split they'd have done so already. Were seeing the biggest detractors purge themselves instead of standing, I think the most we'd see would be defections to Tories and Lib Dems. They've tried everything to get rid of him and it hasn't worked, the last option was to let him lose an election. UKIP just died, the Lib Dems just failed to make progress on a ticket aimed at the 48% remain vote, assuming all that repeats during the general and Corbyn doesn't go, I don't see the remaining moderates in Labour staying to let him lose another snap election in 3-4 years.
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jBrereton posted:Maybe a more reflective headcase would consider that someone largely liked by people like them was not representative of the aspirations of the country as a whole. Get hosed.
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THEY WON ONE. https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/860465132333412354
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jBrereton posted:Maybe a more reflective headcase would consider that someone largely liked by people like them was not representative of the aspirations of the country as a whole. The gently caress, dude?
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Pissflaps posted:Not sure what all the high emotion is for - last night's result has been on the cards for months. The Conservatives soaking up the UKIP votes because they've adopted all of UKIP's policies is a consequence of Jeremy Corbyn being leader?
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Lord of the Llamas posted:The Conservatives soaking up the UKIP votes because they've adopted all of UKIP's policies is a consequence of Jeremy Corbyn being leader? He should have been more centre left and racist
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In other news the government has released it's Air Quality plans, and they basically consist of putting the onus on councils to tackle pollution themselves.
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MikeCrotch posted:If labour was going to split they'd have done so already. Were seeing the biggest detractors purge themselves instead of standing, I think the most we'd see would be defections to Tories and Lib Dems. The critical moment will be whether Corybn resigns after the election or attempts to stay on.
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Serotonin posted:Get hosed. These meltdowns over an utterly unsurprising turn of events are baffling. Alchenar posted:The critical moment will be whether Corybn resigns after the election or attempts to stay on. The oval office won't resign.
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jBrereton posted:Maybe a more reflective headcase would consider that someone largely liked by people like them was not representative of the aspirations of the country as a whole. You heard it here first folks. JBrereton belives the mentally ill deserve no representation.
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Kokoro Wish posted:You heard it here first folks. JBrereton belives the mentally ill deserve no representation. If he believes that it's not something he's said in the post you've quoted.
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AP posted:They've tried everything to get rid of him and it hasn't worked, the last option was to let him lose an election. UKIP just died, the Lib Dems just failed to make progress on a ticket aimed at the 48% remain vote, assuming all that repeats during the general and Corbyn doesn't go, I don't see the remaining moderates in Labour staying to let him lose another snap election in 3-4 years. I don't think Corbyn is going to be leader by the time of the next general election but that doesn't mean he's going to step down immediately after. I'm with Forkboy that I really want Corbyn to get on with reforms to allow left wing MPs to stand though, since the memberships patience with Corbyn isn't infinite.
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Pissflaps posted:The oval office won't resign. It will likely depend on the composition of the PLP after the election. If him and his team can get what they regard as a worthy successor onto the ballot I imagine he will resign. If they can't, he won't.
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Step 1: Elect as leader an uncharacteristic, unpopular, shambolic politician with 17 different albatrosses around his neck Step 2: Re-elect as leader an uncharacteristic, unpopular, shambolic politician with 17 different albatrosses around his neck who overwhelmingly lost a confidence vote Step 3: Just, you know, give up. Step 4: ...? Step 5: Full communism mediadave fucked around with this message at 13:35 on May 5, 2017 |
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mediadave posted:Step 1: Elect as leader an uncharacteristic, unpopular, shambolic leader with 17 different albatrosses around his neck Step 4 is blame literally everyone and everything else.
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Pissflaps posted:Holy gently caress Oh man we're all hosed
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Pissflaps posted:These meltdowns over an utterly unsurprising turn of events are baffling. Othering people with mental health problems is never OK even when you Tory chums ha e done well in an election. And you can get hosed too you pathetic little worm. Maybe if you stopped making 100 of posts a day you could contribute something to the world around you other than smug loving conceit Serotonin fucked around with this message at 13:29 on May 5, 2017 |
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Pissflaps posted:These meltdowns over an utterly unsurprising turn of events are baffling. Again, you can see something coming and still be upset about it because people you care about are very likely to die. Look, dude, just take a break from this thread for a while. This may be a funny little game to you, but the rest of us are having to deal with the fact that local government is going to dramatically reduce its efforts to keep people we care about alive, and you're wittering on about how it was clearly a mistake for the opposition party to pick a leader who actually showed some interest in keeping them from dying. That's just being an rear end in a top hat.
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It's amazing that the UK still votes for the party that brought them Brexit - One can only imagine how lovely all the other parties must be.
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Darth Walrus posted:Again, you can see something coming and still be upset about it because people you care about are very likely to die. Pretty much this.
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