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Yeah I totally hosed up and applied with the new account, sorry. I just sent an email so hopefully they can tell me what to do.
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They'll tell you to vigorously sodomize yourself with a chainsaw but after that they'll help.
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May 5, 2017 02:11
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dragonshardz posted:Stunt is a Vacationer and vacationers have access to elysium unless otherwise banned. discord is slack + mumble poorly stapled on, hosted at some random place and with a monetization policy of stickers and ???????? and i loving hate it so much
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May 5, 2017 04:39
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yeah idk why everyone likes discord so much
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May 5, 2017 04:49
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:yeah idk why everyone likes discord so much Slick UX combined with laziness and not thinking from a security mindset. That and loving livestreamers plugging it at every opportunity gives it a lot of momentum.
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May 5, 2017 04:55
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eh thinking on it the security thing is pretty much an eve-specific concern what i guess i should have said was "why do eve players like discord so much"
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May 5, 2017 05:00
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A lot of people I know like discord cause it's easier to use and set-up, and you can get it on your phone. Information security in EVE only matters in flash critical situations and groups that are actually worth being on someone's radar for vindictive actions. For your average user, it's pretty nice.
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May 5, 2017 05:09
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Worlds Smuggest posted:A lot of people I know like discord cause it's easier to use and set-up, and you can get it on your phone. theres both mumble and xmpp clients on phones 
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May 5, 2017 05:13
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:eh thinking on it the security thing is pretty much an eve-specific concern Im an infosec guy by trade, controlling where your information goes and who can access it for what is pretty important. loving lmao if people think that Hammer & Chisel isnt aggregating user data and conversation contents and selling that poo poo to advertisers based on bins of age/location groups. Stickers aint gonna pay their server bills and they have to produce a return to keep VC bucks flowing.
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May 5, 2017 05:17
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People like it because it is free because their monetization strategy is stickers and ????
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May 5, 2017 05:23
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gwrtheyrn posted:People like it because it is free because their monetization strategy is stickers and ???? The ???? is your user data and profile being sold to ad companies for $$$$
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May 5, 2017 05:24
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gwrtheyrn posted:People like it because it is free because their monetization strategy is stickers and ???? Also, jabber and mumble are both free. Never paid a dime for them.
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May 5, 2017 05:24
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orange juche posted:The ???? is your user data and profile being sold to ad companies for $$$$ Yeah but you see it's FREE
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May 5, 2017 05:26
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gwrtheyrn posted:Yeah but you see it's FREE Just like those screensavers you downloaded that were free*
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May 5, 2017 05:27
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orange juche posted:Just like those screensavers you downloaded that were free* Hey man maybe I wanted the ask.com toolbar because it is people's choice search engine for
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May 5, 2017 05:28
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:theres both mumble and xmpp clients on phones And they don't work as well as the discord app does. The whole security thing is Eve specific. For a group of friends to organize multiplayer gaming while having easy access to voice comms for said gaming it's way easier.
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RabbitWizard posted:Me and some other dude would like a channel on mumble for Germans. There are a few of us and same timezone and language is a good thing for efficiency. So I would like to request a channel on mumble. I hope someone able to do this reads this thread or someone can direct me to the right place for that request. I was going to make a joke about Germans and efficiency but then you made it for me on the last sentence so now I'm all nonplussed.
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May 5, 2017 06:11
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orange juche posted:Also, jabber and mumble are both free. Never paid a dime for them. No they aren't. They are free for you to use, but rest assured money is changing hands over our bandwidth/hosting needs (Are we still using amazon cloud services? I'm not sure).
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May 5, 2017 06:16
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Yea, XMPP clients for mobile are terrible. Especially compared to the ease of use you get with Discord or similar. Not going to lie, I would love to have the cross-device ease of use Discord offers. Being able to sign on at work to continue a convo or backlog without worrying about which client a messages appear on, and not having to fiddle with local channel joining, would be sweet. Oh, and discord is also really nice to send ~important space pings~ directly to people since they will actually have the application installed on multiple devices. The average goon pubbie struggles enough with setting up jabber on his main pc. nex fucked around with this message at 06:20 on May 5, 2017 |
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May 5, 2017 06:17
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Rhymenoserous posted:No they aren't. They are free for you to use, but rest assured money is changing hands over our bandwidth/hosting needs (Are we still using amazon cloud services? I'm not sure). I believe most of the stuff is hosted on ovh now
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May 5, 2017 06:18
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nex posted:Yea, XMPP clients for mobile are terrible. Especially compared to the ease of use you get with Discord or similar. Now on my 15th year of professional IT and I'm convinced that most open source developers couldn't design a decent UI if you held them at gunpoint.
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May 5, 2017 06:20
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Rhymenoserous posted:Now on my 15th year of professional IT and I'm convinced that most open source developers couldn't design a decent UI if you held them at gunpoint. You could cut out open source in this sentence and this is still true, but in a normal job you'd usually have a designer
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May 5, 2017 06:25
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gwrtheyrn posted:You could cut out open source in this sentence and this is still true, but in a normal job you'd usually have a designer You aren't wrong really. You could probably replace the entire microsoft office ribbon with a banner that says "99% of people will never use any of this poo poo" and be spot on. Speaking in the capacity of "What I do for a living" though the biggest crime a UI developer can make is iterating too fast or two far away from what people are already used to. It's why Windows 8 was such a flop, if I had put that OS into play in my office the walls would have been on fire by the end of the day. EDIT: Also why I dread working on the lone 2012 SP1 server we have in the office. Boss insisted we have it for familiarization even though SP2 largely fixes all of it's glaring faults. A successful XMMP app on mobile should probably look something like skype with a room functionality built on.
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May 5, 2017 06:39
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CainFortea posted:And they don't work as well as the discord app does. The whole security thing is Eve specific. Yeah nobody ever has conversations they would rather not be shared except eve players 
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May 5, 2017 06:46
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yall are confusing "these people we shoot in a game are spying on us to gain an advantage" with actual security
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May 5, 2017 06:48
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:yeah idk why everyone likes discord so much Because it lets you push meme pics in other peoples faces without them having to click a link to view it.
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Zephyrine posted:Because it lets you push meme pics in other peoples faces without them having to click a link to view it. And?
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May 5, 2017 07:47
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No thats pretty much it. They took the UI from Slack slapped over the top of IRC, bolted on an okayish voip client, and then called it Discord.
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May 5, 2017 08:28
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XMPP clients are mostly flaming piles of poo poo, and you don't have push support for mobile clients, plus the mobile clients in general are even bigger flaming piles of poo poo than the desktop clients.
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Wibla posted:XMPP clients are mostly flaming piles of poo poo, and you don't have push support for mobile clients, plus the mobile clients in general are even bigger flaming piles of poo poo than the desktop clients. I mean I dont expect pidgin nor my cisco jabber client to walk my dog or anything. They do exactly what theyre supposed to do (the cisco client even has more than a 25 line backlog). No push function on phones sucks hard though agreed. I mean, flaming pile of poo poo imo means something that is unstable/unusable.
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May 5, 2017 08:47
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orange juche posted:I mean I dont expect pidgin nor my cisco jabber client to walk my dog or anything. They do exactly what theyre supposed to do (the cisco client even has more than a 25 line backlog). No push function on phones sucks hard though agreed. Stuff that pisses me off (both for my own usage, and supporting others) is mainly MUCs being non-trivial to deal with for novice users, and priority settings also loving things up more often than not for those who use multiple clients. Granted, some of that is a server-side problem as well. Push notifications would be a godsend for all hands on dick-stuff like a B-R event. I use bitlbee+irssi because I switch between a few computers during the day and want to keep logs and backlog consistent across them. I'm not sure I'd want to recommend that to people who're not already used to using irssi, but it works fairly well (as far as these things go). A discord-like webinterface for XMPP would be interesting. Combined with a push module for mobile usage maybe?
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Discord is great, just make a server for your gaming clan or add people you meet as a friend! It's fast, it's fun, it's Discord. Free Voice and Text Chat for Gamers.
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Discord is just another typical example of a start-up running on venture capital fumes, aside from the whole "selling your data" thing which they readily admit to, not that your personal data is quite the goldmine it used to be, mind you. I don't know why people think you can just hand out VoIP servers for free indefinitely, I suppose if you never worry about operating costs then it could make sense. Speaking of operating a server: if there's ever an issue with Discord then you're stuck waiting for them to fix it, instead of being able to fall back on a backup solution or scream at your own IT guys to do it. For smaller EVE organizations who don't have dedicated IT people it's not much of change. But for the larger ones, who build and maintain their own infrastructure and essential services, being reliant on some California hotshots not knocking the free servers over is not an attractive prospect. Imagine being in the middle of an important strategic operation and suddenly not being able to ping or contact Recon because the latest update to Discord broke something.
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May 5, 2017 10:24
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Wibla posted:I use bitlbee+irssi because I switch between a few computers during the day and want to keep logs and backlog consistent across them. I'm not sure I'd want to recommend that to people who're not already used to using irssi, but it works fairly well (as far as these things go). if you want a example of why people use discord this is why Wibla posted:Push notifications would be a godsend for all hands on dick-stuff like a B-R event. yea, i wonder how many more warm bodies we could cram in fleet with proper push notifications - what are the chances of a pilot project or something?
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May 5, 2017 10:38
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nex posted:if you want a example of why people use discord this is why I know... if I could get a webinterface jabber client that I could run on a VPS and log in with like discord (+ get push notifications), woah. heh. nex posted:yea, i wonder how many more warm bodies we could cram in fleet with proper push notifications - what are the chances of a pilot project or something? Quite a few, I think. I guess some corps run their own corp whatsapp/telegram groups etc that gives better coverage, and I have some vague memories of one alliance in the old NC having a phone app with push notifications, but it's not an idea that's ever gotten real traction (or at least ended up with a minimal viable product for demo) in GSF as far as I know.
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May 5, 2017 11:54
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CainFortea posted:And they don't work as well as the discord app does. Yes, the discord app works great. Try it on an iOS device, through a bluetooth headset and turn the screen off. Let me know how well the voice chat works.
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May 5, 2017 13:20
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big parcheesi player posted:Yes, the discord app works great. Try it on an iOS device, through a bluetooth headset and turn the screen off. Let me know how well the voice chat works. Friends don't let friends use apple
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May 5, 2017 13:31
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:theres both mumble and xmpp clients on phones Xmpp clients on phones are trash
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:theres both mumble and xmpp clients on phones Yes, let me just download this app to my phone/computer.. input all these server settings/username/password. Sweet now I can chat/voip. Or I can click a link and be connected to the people in 5 seconds. Discord really shines when you're partying with random people or a friend of a friend and it will be a one time thing. Setup a quick channel and you're good to go. When you're done leave the channel. For non eve games it's the easiest thing to use to get connected with people. Especially if it's temporary communication.
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