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Toadvine posted:That answers my first point but not my second. Couldn't some dollars and sense billionaire dem supporter take Hillary for a ride in the car and explain that it's simply not tenable to back her third charge at the presidency? Then they could stop for pizza to soften the blow. To what benefit? Anyone in the position you're talking about is beyond being personally impacted by which party wins a given election, to them it's more like indulging your dotty rich aunt who thinks she's an undiscovered prodigy actress. If they feel the Clintons are unfit to actually rule that's not resolved by telling them some poo poo they're not gonna listen to that's resolved by putting up another Obama who'll do a better job of serving the aristocracy. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 22:54 on May 5, 2017 |
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:To what benefit? I think the donor class will rally around Biden in 2020. Brain dead millennials already love him because of those stupid unfunny Onion articles.
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May 5, 2017 22:53
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Seems to work alright for the rest of the developed world. I know rush Limbaugh told you otherwise, but
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Yug posted:I think the donor class will rally around Biden in 2020. Brain dead millennials already love him because of those stupid unfunny Onion articles. Biden's too old and too much an actual player, if they don't actually go Hilldawg it'll be another charismatic nobody who can claim "outsider" status but is too much a true believer in the system to not do exactly as they're told once in office.
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May 5, 2017 22:56
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Biden's too old and too much an actual player, if they don't actually go Hilldawg it'll be another charismatic nobody who can claim "outsider" status but is too much a true believer in the system to not do exactly as they're told once in office. Cory Booker come on down, you're a corporate whore and your skin is brown.
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theres a will theres moe posted:Seems to work alright for the rest of the developed world. I know rush Limbaugh told you otherwise, but Ask somebody who's ever had to deal with the VA how much they love single payer government healthcare.
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Someone like me?
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That aside, it's a false equivalency
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theres a will theres moe posted:That aside, it's a false equivalency How?
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Ask a biplane pilot how fast planes are. You'll never get anywhere with that Delta ticket. The cool thing about uhc is we could get rid of the lovely parts of the VA if everyone were covered the same
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Yug posted:Ask somebody who's ever had to deal with the VA how much they love single payer government healthcare. VA is great. And now that Trump extended the veteran's choice program I couldn't be happier. I get great care.
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theres a will theres moe posted:Ask a biplane pilot how fast planes are. You'll never get anywhere with that Delta ticket. The cool thing about uhc is we could get rid of the lovely parts of the VA if everyone were covered the same lmao, with the power of magical thinking all the bad parts of government healthcare disappear and we're left with only good things!!! yay!!!
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spacetoaster posted:VA is great. And now that Trump extended the veteran's choice program I couldn't be happier. uh huh sure you are buddy
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Yug posted:Ask somebody who's ever had to deal with the VA how much they love single payer government healthcare. sorta funny how for all the bitching about the VA there doesn't seem to be a lot of enthusiasm for ditching it and buying private insurance like the rest of us schlubs maybe yr boi Trumpo should propose dissolving that useless socialistic waste and putting the army on a Kaiser group plan, really shore up his military support
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Yug posted:lmao, with the power of magical thinking all the bad parts of government healthcare disappear and we're left with only good things!!! yay!!! I guess I'd just say youd be better to ask someone living with modern single payer healthcare than someone with coverage from an admin that is notoriously red-tape laden. You wouldn't design a uhc system to run like the VA and it wouldn't take magic to do it right.
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Single payer is good no matter how much you accuse people of lying.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:sorta funny how for all the bitching about the VA there doesn't seem to be a lot of enthusiasm for ditching it and buying private insurance like the rest of us schlubs That would be excellent, I hope they consider something like that.
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KomodoWagon posted:Single payer is good no matter how much you accuse people of lying. no evidence
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I'm sorry, our clinics are only open on weekdays so you'll just have to hang onto that gunshot wound for a couple days Stepping in front of an IED is a violation of your terms and we can't cover it. Sorry, should've thought of that before you went and wilfully injured yourself
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Yug posted:That would be excellent, I hope they consider something like that. Don't worry, Yug; when we finally get universal healthcare in this country, brain damage won't be considered a pre-existing condition.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I'm sorry, our clinics are only open on weekdays so you'll just have to hang onto that gunshot wound for a couple days Just another day in a Chicago ER.
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Yug posted:no evidence Why do you think every single country with single payer has kept it? If it's such a total disaster, why haven't people campaigned for a privatized solution to replace it?
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KomodoWagon posted:Why do you think every single country with single payer has kept it? If it's such a total disaster, why haven't people campaigned for a privatized solution to replace it? They've begun to start democratizing healthcare in the UK thanks to the conservatives. Maybe you should check but conservative parties are on the rise all across europe, so it looks like people are finally fed up.
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Accretionist posted:Clinton is a machine for damaging the party and losing presidential elections. The Sarah Palin of the Democrats.
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I would think the VA has a lot of issues because they have to insure people for life after they stop serving. A "medicare for all" system combined with a sensible income tax system would work fine. How about anything over 10 million dollars annual income is taxed 90%? If you can't raise a family on 10 million dollars a year you're a loving leech.
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Amarcarts posted:I would think the VA has a lot of issues because they have to insure people for life after they stop serving. A "medicare for all" system combined with a sensible income tax system would work fine. How about anything over 10 million dollars annual income is taxed 90%? If you can't raise a family on 10 million dollars a year you're a loving leech. How about free energy from cold fusion??
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Yug posted:They've begun to start democratizing healthcare in the UK thanks to the conservatives. Maybe you should check but conservative parties are on the rise all across europe, so it looks like people are finally fed up. Yeah they just hate having healthcare. Has nothing to do with neoliberalism trying to make us all into serfs.
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Yug posted:They've begun to start democratizing healthcare in the UK thanks to the conservatives. Maybe you should check but conservative parties are on the rise all across europe, so it looks like people are finally fed up. Thats because of neoliberalism and outsourcing on the part of EU elites, not because of single-payer healthcare, dummy.
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People seem to really like voting for the conservative party and ukip and don't want to vote for that kooky guy in charge of laboUr
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Yug posted:They've begun to start democratizing healthcare in the UK thanks to the conservatives. Maybe you should check but conservative parties are on the rise all across europe, so it looks like people are finally fed up. Millions of people voted for Brexit on the premise that millions of dollars could be added to the NHS. I don't think universal healthcare is going away anywhere.
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Got the book this morning. Favorite part so far that isn't already quoted I this thread is Hilldawg and her sycophants scratching their heads at why on earth anyone in America cares about Bernie. Then, after Iowa and New Hampshire, on the way to Nevada, Hilldawg tells an aide 'I just don't understand this country.'
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tactlessbastard posted:'I just don't understand this country.' In Nazi America, election loses you?
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theres a will theres moe posted:In Nazi America, election loses you? No, this was way before Trump even got nominated.
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tactlessbastard posted:No, this was way before Trump even got nominated. The impetus being them not curbstomping Bernie.
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tactlessbastard posted:Got the book this morning. Favorite part so far that isn't already quoted I this thread is Hilldawg and her sycophants scratching their heads at why on earth anyone in America cares about Bernie. Then, after Iowa and New Hampshire, on the way to Nevada, Hilldawg tells an aide 'I just don't understand this country.' Hillary Clinton thought that campaigning in Arizona and bumfuck Kansas was more vital to her campaign than visiting the Rust Belt.
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Alienwarehouse posted:Hillary Clinton thought that campaigning in Arizona and bumfuck Kansas was more vital to her campaign than visiting the Rust Belt. Yeah, the proof is in the pudding, she definitely didn't understand the country she spent 16 years jockeying to run.
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tactlessbastard posted:Got the book this morning. Favorite part so far that isn't already quoted I this thread is Hilldawg and her sycophants scratching their heads at why on earth anyone in America cares about Bernie. Then, after Iowa and New Hampshire, on the way to Nevada, Hilldawg tells an aide 'I just don't understand this country.' It still makes me lol how she had hundreds of employees working for months just on the messaging for why she wanted to for president.
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