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potatoducks
Jan 26, 2006

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

You're providing a really good example of why the human mind can't solve distant, abstract problems like global warming. You see something you think might make your life easier right now, so how could there possibly be any consequences in the future?

You wouldn't need parking if you lived in an area where the things you needed to get to were close to each other.

Human lifespans are just too short. We all recognize the consequences. If everyone lived a thousand years I guarantee we would all care a lot more about global warming. But hey, in 100 years I'll be dead and you'll be dead so whatever. Maybe the last 10 years will be horrible and my house will be underwater, I don't know.

Your point is well taken though. Cities and public transportation are better for society and anyone who has kids and etc. But drat did it suck to carry your groceries around on the bus.

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Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


potatoducks posted:

Your point is well taken though. Cities and public transportation are better for society and anyone who has kids and etc. But drat did it suck to carry your groceries around on the bus.
You generally don't in a city unless you're in some suburban hell like pheonix or in a food desert area. Walking is usually sufficient.

Ixian
Oct 9, 2001

Many machines on Ix....new machines
Pillbug
Spent 4 years enlisted in the Army many years ago and thankfully got out without having done anything completely stupid. Not that I didn't have my own BWM moments but none of them, thankfully, that left permanent scars.

Army towns in the U.S. - anywhere, really, but especially so here - are a cesspool of businesses looking to help you make really bad decisions.

Military marriage is a thriving business. Getting an Army chaplain to marry you on base is a process most don't (or can't) deal with so there's a whole cottage industry for it off base. What if the State the base is in has laws that are too restrictive/intended to keep you from being a dummy? No problem, the closest point across state lines has whole strip malls devoted to covering that angle, whether it's getting married to that stripper or taking out a payday loan... or often both at the same time. There are places where you can get married, get a payday loan, and then go rent furniture for your new trailer all within an easy walk. Like the BWM trifecta. I am not even kidding.

In my short few years I saw:

Lots of marriages to strippers. Someone mentioned 50% earlier and I wouldn't be surprised if that were low. 50% got married and got them pregnant, maybe.

Lots of "we're friends, let's get hitched so we can live outside of the barracks/collect extra BAQ". These ended in tears usually as well. Usually when they started dating someone else. I personally knew of one example that were dating outside before they did it - the Army version of the green card scam (and heavily frowned upon if discovered not that it ever stopped anyone).

A fair amount of 18-19 year olds meeting in AIT (advanced training after basic) or these days, even in basic because for many specialties it's integrated now, deciding they have found "the one" and then discovering - sometimes in a matter of weeks - that what they really found was "the other".

In all cases the best possible outcome was for it all to end in tears within a matter of weeks/few months. Beyond that and boy howdy. If pregnancy is involved, 10x points.

None of this counts the ones who got their girl back home pregnant and joined the Army because it was the right thing to do. Sometimes that worked out, actually. I have a good friend still today, close to 30 years in, still married with great kids. I call him the lottery winner. The Army, at least, used to love to send kids who did that overseas for a year or two which didn't help.

Crazy Mike
Sep 16, 2005

Now with 25% more kimchee.

Ixian posted:

A fair amount of 18-19 year olds meeting in AIT (advanced training after basic) or these days, even in basic because for many specialties it's integrated now, deciding they have found "the one" and then discovering - sometimes in a matter of weeks - that what they really found was "the other".

In all cases the best possible outcome was for it all to end in tears within a matter of weeks/few months. Beyond that and boy howdy. If pregnancy is involved, 10x points.

Female trainee got pregnant during my AIT and got out, followed her male trainee for a couple years, had another baby, then they separated.

Quite irritating he got more money than me for knocking up a girl and getting married.

Hell, if they ever figure out male hormonal long term birth control implants they should just add it to MEPS processing. Army needs that more than flu vaccines every year.

Ixian
Oct 9, 2001

Many machines on Ix....new machines
Pillbug

Crazy Mike posted:

Female trainee got pregnant during my AIT and got out, followed her male trainee for a couple years, had another baby, then they separated.

Quite irritating he got more money than me for knocking up a girl and getting married.

Hell, if they ever figure out male hormonal long term birth control implants they should just add it to MEPS processing. Army needs that more than flu vaccines every year.

Well, you know, on top of the extra cash he also had...a baby or two, so I'm thinking from a pure financial perspective you came out ahead.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Submarine Sandpaper posted:

You generally don't in a city unless you're in some suburban hell like pheonix or in a food desert area. Walking is usually sufficient.

The documentary "Death Wish" would disagree :colbert:

My city is trying to be more bicycle friendly. They're also investing a lot of money into improving their dismal public transportation. The result: a bus line whose main intention is getting people downtown. This bus line goes up and down one street. It's very easy to be 2.5-3 miles from the nearest stop. Especially if you're living in the poor areas which are some of the farthest from there.

:downsbravo:

That same reason is why their attempts to make downtown more bike friendly at the expense of parking are stupid. I'm not biking 6 miles each way from my old place, no matter how nice you make the bike lanes.

22 Eargesplitten fucked around with this message at 23:20 on May 5, 2017

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

22 Eargesplitten posted:

The documentary "Death Wish" would disagree :colbert:

My city is trying to be more bicycle friendly. They're also investing a lot of money into improving their dismal public transportation. The result: a bus line whose main intention is getting people downtown. This bus line goes up and down one street. It's very easy to be 2.5-3 miles from the nearest stop. Especially if you're living in the poor areas which are some of the farthest from there.

:downsbravo:

That same reason is why their attempts to make downtown more bike friendly at the expense of parking are stupid. I'm not biking 6 miles each way from my old place, no matter how nice you make the bike lanes.

Park & Ride is a good transitional step for suburbs/exurbs that are trying to improve transit options.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS
6 miles is like, a 30 minute bike ride, assuming it's not super hilly or whatever. That's...really not bad and when I lived in a hellish "car city" it was pretty common that I'd have to drive for 30 minutes to get somewhere because of all the traffic lights.

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

6 miles is like, a 30 minute bike ride, assuming it's not super hilly or whatever. That's...really not bad and when I lived in a hellish "car city" it was pretty common that I'd have to drive for 30 minutes to get somewhere because of all the traffic lights.

This guy lives in Vegas apparently, so the heat is a factor to consider too. Even if he took precautions to stay safe in the summer heat, it would be a miserable time and would probably leave him unprofessionally smelly by the time he got to work. If he's in this predicament I doubt he works at a nice enough place to offer showers for bike commuters.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

paragon1 posted:

:aaaaa: I didn't even know that was physically possible.

I mean, it wouldn't be very sound usury business to just give out loans to every meth head that wanders in needing cash.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

This guy lives in Vegas apparently, so the heat is a factor to consider too. Even if he took precautions to stay safe in the summer heat, it would be a miserable time and would probably leave him unprofessionally smelly by the time he got to work. If he's in this predicament I doubt he works at a nice enough place to offer showers for bike commuters.
Yeah I was more talking to the guy in this thread, but good point, it definitely depends on climate and conditions and all that. In San Diego the weather was okay for biking but the place is full of mesas so certain places weren't bike accessible unless you wanted to ride up a miserably steep climb in both directions.

6 mile bike commute in Vegas with no shower is, for sure, a non-starter.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/69cchg/buying_empty_lot_adjacent_to_my_house_to_keep_it/

Man wants to take out a second mortgage or cash out his stocks to buy an empty lot across the street and keep it empty to make sure nobody moves in.

It's a nice sentiment dude, but maybe just let your son and his friends play in your backyard?

The only BWM part of this is if they put any play equipment on it, or as the lawsuit would put it when timmy breaks his face falling off the slide: attractive nuisance.

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

H110Hawk posted:

The only BWM part of this is if they put any play equipment on it, or as the lawsuit would put it when timmy breaks his face falling off the slide: attractive nuisance.

I'd honestly bet that the developer of the subdivision will not sell it to him, and that there are restrictions on use/building on the property.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

Park & Ride is a good transitional step for suburbs/exurbs that are trying to improve transit options.

Is that park your car and ride the bus? I think there's a couple of those, but it still doesn't address that it serves such a tiny area.

12mph is a pretty good clip on a bike. 30 minutes by car is more like 10+ miles here.

Other relevant fact I didn't mention. I'm in Colorado at the foot of the mountains. So there's elevation, elevation change, and dryness to deal with. If you're at sea level you have 20% more oxygen than you do up here.

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

22 Eargesplitten posted:

Is that park your car and ride the bus? I think there's a couple of those, but it still doesn't address that it serves such a tiny area.

12mph is a pretty good clip on a bike. 30 minutes by car is more like 10+ miles here.

Other relevant fact I didn't mention. I'm in Colorado at the foot of the mountains. So there's elevation, elevation change, and dryness to deal with. If you're at sea level you have 20% more oxygen than you do up here.

Oh for sure, I'm not saying you should try harder to use non-car transit, I'm saying your city should try harder to provide it for you.

i fly airplanes
Sep 6, 2010


I STOLE A PIE FROM ESTELLE GETTY
Wow I was lured into this thread with the amazing title

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
Yeah, what's BWM is everything we're doing right this minute to fix traffic when commuting scenarios are likely to look completely different in 20 years. Between driverless cars and telecommuting, who knows how the gently caress our kids are going to get to work at their various Trump branded jobs.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
Speaking of park and rides

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/69evwg/we_decided_not_to_buy_a_bearded_dragon/ posted:

We decided NOT to buy a bearded dragon.

My wife and I were looking at getting a bearded dragon for our son for his birthday. A young beardie is only about $60. So we set aside $200 in our budget counting on buying a reptile aquarium and some incidentals.

Then we learned it needs expensive UV bulbs that last about 6 months and are about $40 each. Also the electricity cost the run this heat 24 hours can be a drain on the electric bill.

Also the beardie needs to go to the vet every 6 months for a checkup. And finally, food. They have a very diverse diet and can eat up to $15 per week in foods. So I did a total cost analysis for a beardie that lives 12 years and it turned out to be a whopping $10,000

Life pro tip, do a total cost analysis on pets before deciding to purchase. Even free pets are absurdly expensive. In 12 years both of my kids are going to be in college and I will desperately need $10,000 then. I will not need an aging lizard.

Which is GWM and GWL except then people started freaking out because Reddit thinks denying your kid a bearded dragon is child abuse for reasons

quote:

Edit: For everyone giving me poo poo about my poor son, don't pity him. First he didn't know about the beardie. Second we are taking that $200 and taking him to an amusement park. He's fine.

Edit 2: This post is not about "don't buy pets, they're expensive." The post is about "make sure you're aware of the full cost of something before making a decision." Yes we have kids and dogs. Yes they're more expensive than lizards, but for us well worth the cost. A reptile, not so much.

Edit 3: Thank you all for the "you're way overestimating" and the "you're way underestimating" posts. The accuracy of the cost really isn't the issue. The issue is we were expecting something minimal and almost made a big mistake. The point is, we did the research and it was way more than we were expecting and wanting to pay. To us, it wasn't worth it. We have other pets. We aren't frugal, but we are smart with our money. I am simply encouraging others to do cost analysis. And at the end of the day if a bearded dragon is worth 10k to you, awesome! Do it.

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
I'm impressed - I've run across fancy horse shoes

https://horserunners.com/

I dub the horthopedics

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



That makes it sound like you need a horthodontist.

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!
Every horse product or service that you can imagine is real. http://www.thehorse.com/articles/18920/orthodontics-for-horses

Jake Mustache
Feb 7, 2017
Whoops https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/69ks3a/girl_took_a_rental_car_out_under_my_cc_and_didnt/

quote:

So on April 22nd I'm hanging out at my house and my new roommate ask if she can have a ride to the rental agency. I barely know the girl and my other roommate had work so she ask me for a ride. She wants to drive back up to Washington DC for a day and get some of her things. Ok cool.

I drive her over and wait in the car in case there is any problem, after a few minutes she comes out and asks if she can use my card to put the deposit on and she will pay me back because she doesn't have a card at the moment. I think it's fishy but all of her stuff is at the house and so is her pet rabbit so I give her the card and she goes in for a few more minutes. Then she comes back out and tells me they need my id. I go back in and give them my ID and state to the front desk attendant the purpose of the car and that she is driving to DC to get her things. They process the card and put it on my CC I sign the little electronic pad thing and we walk out to the car. He hands me the key and I say shes the one renting it and hand the keys and paperwork to her in front of the attendant. I never saw a contract, I never said I was renting the vehicle and I was under the impression that all I was doing was putting a card on file.

She doesn't return for a week I'm pissed she finally comes back and apologizes says she ran into some issues while she was there and that now she has the card and will go pay for it. I'm not happy but it is what it is at that point.

Then the girl disappears again. Now she is not answering the phone, responding to messages, and I'm stuck taking care of her pet rabbit and all her stuff is still in my house. I call the rental company to find out if the car rented under my CC has been returned and they tell me that no it has not. In addition I am the only one registered to the car and she was not added as an authorized operator. What the gently caress. I thought I was just using my CC as a hold. WHAT THE HECK DO I DO NOW.

According to the rental car agency If I go to the police and report the car stolen I have to say that she stole the keys and that I didn't give them to her. Otherwise it's not theft. WHAT? I'm freaking out right now I can't sleep, I can't eat and I have no idea what to do. I have no idea where she is but I think somewhere in NC. She posted pictures to her facebook with her friend who live an hour away of them driving around in the car. Please help me.

Ixian
Oct 9, 2001

Many machines on Ix....new machines
Pillbug

He types well, uses complete sentences, good paragraph breaks, and a straightforward narrative. Quite a contrast to what an utter and complete moron he is.

There is surely more to this story, probably involving an unacknowledged major crush on the girl, but....wow.

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Ixian posted:

He types well, uses complete sentences, good paragraph breaks, and a straightforward narrative. Quite a contrast to what an utter and complete moron he is.

There is surely more to this story, probably involving an unacknowledged major crush on the girl, but....wow.

My mind is blown by someone in the comments suggesting the pet rabbit was purchased as part of a con where you move some clothes and a pet you'd "have to come back for" into an apartment and then persuade your new roommate to rent you a car to steal.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

My mind is blown by someone in the comments suggesting the pet rabbit was purchased as part of a con where you move some clothes and a pet you'd "have to come back for" into an apartment and then persuade your new roommate to rent you a car to steal.

That's probably true. Your new roommate could have nothing in the apartment but if your "pet" is there, then you are 100% trustworthy and will come back.

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

My mind is blown by someone in the comments suggesting the pet rabbit was purchased as part of a con where you move some clothes and a pet you'd "have to come back for" into an apartment and then persuade your new roommate to rent you a car to steal.

That doesn't sound far-fetched to me. I once saw a victim of a Nigerian scam that explicitly mentioned the lawyer managing the (supposed) estate had actually put in some money for the transfer fees as well, so it couldn't possibly be a scam.

Ixian
Oct 9, 2001

Many machines on Ix....new machines
Pillbug
Reddit groupthink tends towards worst case paranoia. More likely is the girl is simply your garden variety sociopath living in the moment who doesn't plan anything nor give two shits about consequences for herself or anyone else. Probably some sob story involved, usually is.

She wanted to Get the gently caress Out of Town and found herself the most straightforward way to do it. The smooth escalation of the overall con suggests it isn't the first time.

Hoodwinker
Nov 7, 2005

Ixian posted:

Reddit groupthink tends towards worst case paranoia. More likely is the girl is simply your garden variety sociopath living in the moment who doesn't plan anything nor give two shits about consequences for herself or anyone else. Probably some sob story involved, usually is.

She wanted to Get the gently caress Out of Town and found herself the most straightforward way to do it. The smooth escalation of the overall con suggests it isn't the first time.
Ding ding ding ding. I've known people like this. This is way more likely than a complicated grift.

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Randler posted:

That doesn't sound far-fetched to me. I once saw a victim of a Nigerian scam that explicitly mentioned the lawyer managing the (supposed) estate had actually put in some money for the transfer fees as well, so it couldn't possibly be a scam.

Oh no I'm not saying I think it couldn't be a con technique or that that's not what happened here, I'm just saying it's one that blows my mind. It also seems like a lot of effort? How much could a chopped rental car really net you? And what does she do if her chosen roommate mark says "no I can't drive you to the rental place"?

Ixian
Oct 9, 2001

Many machines on Ix....new machines
Pillbug

Hoodwinker posted:

Ding ding ding ding. I've known people like this. This is way more likely than a complicated grift.

I've known my fair share too. Now, I didn't rent a loving rental car for them under my name and wave goodbye as they drove out the lot either, which is where this story really shines.

Ixian
Oct 9, 2001

Many machines on Ix....new machines
Pillbug
Also she had to be elated he (or she?) fell for it. Thinking about it a little more (it is a lazy Saturday morning) it's interesting how well thought out this is. The moron rented the car and handed her the keys. He/She is completely 100% on the hook. As far as the rental car company and for that matter the police are concerned this is a dispute between the two parties.

Eventually it'll get to the point where it turns in to stolen property but it is going to take a while to get there and no one in this story seems like much of a long term kind of thinker anyway.

In the meantime she can joyride safely across state lines without worrying about being picked up. Different story if she had tried to scam the rental car company directly. Your true sociopath knows how to exploit people.

epenthesis
Jan 12, 2008

I'M TAKIN' YOU PUNKS DOWN!
She filled out the form using the victim's name without his/her knowledge or consent, right? While telling the clerk that she was using her own? Seems to me like that would qualify as fraud. (IANAL)

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013
Maybe the rental car place is in on the con :aaaaa:

Ixian
Oct 9, 2001

Many machines on Ix....new machines
Pillbug

epenthesis posted:

She filled out the form using the victim's name without his/her knowledge or consent, right? While telling the clerk that she was using her own? Seems to me like that would qualify as fraud. (IANAL)

He has recourse, sure, but it's not going to magically happen. For him to pursue he'll likely need a lawyer. Out of pocket because the rental company will wash their hands of it. And, of course, assuming there's even any way to recover money from this girl, which seems extremely unlikely. If he pays out of pocket and pursues it he will almost certainly get her in trouble which will probably result in probation, which I doubt someone like this gives two shits about.

Basically he is hosed, but good.

epenthesis
Jan 12, 2008

I'M TAKIN' YOU PUNKS DOWN!

Ixian posted:

He has recourse, sure, but it's not going to magically happen. For him to pursue he'll likely need a lawyer. Out of pocket because the rental company will wash their hands of it. And, of course, assuming there's even any way to recover money from this girl, which seems extremely unlikely. If he pays out of pocket and pursues it he will almost certainly get her in trouble which will probably result in probation, which I doubt someone like this gives two shits about.

Basically he is hosed, but good.

Whatever recourse he has is probably better than being on the hook for the entire cost of the car.

theHUNGERian
Feb 23, 2006

Rate my $3k outfit. If he had a fancy watch, I would understand. But designer ripped jeans and a piece of poo poo hoodie?

http://imgur.com/gallery/qm8XX

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



How? I know Supreme stuff is expensive, but that can't even be $400, leaving the jeans and shoes to be $2600. Maybe it's an expensive but not flashy watch, some stupid expensive even by male fashion standards jeans, and some rare sneakers he had to buy off of a scalper?

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

22 Eargesplitten posted:

How? I know Supreme stuff is expensive, but that can't even be $400, leaving the jeans and shoes to be $2600. Maybe it's an expensive but not flashy watch, some stupid expensive even by male fashion standards jeans, and some rare sneakers he had to buy off of a scalper?

There are sneakers that list at $1800, and people apparently buy them.

http://www.esquire.com/style/mens-accessories/advice/g2538/luxury-sneaker-brands-worth-spending-money/ for a randomly chosen set of examples.

$1000 on jeans, perhaps obviously, doesn't take much work at all.

LLCoolJD
Dec 8, 2007

Musk threatens the inorganic promotion of left-wing ideology that had been taking place on the platform

Block me for being an unironic DeSantis fan, too!
https://www.rvtrader.com/dealers/North-Trail-RV-Center-736402/listing/2017-Newmar-Dutch-Star-4369-121860900


$458,000 MSRP. Car equity? How about RV equity?

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Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

RVs are more like homes than cars, at the high end.

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