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AnoHito posted:my manager actually explained this to me once. apparently it's surprisingly common, especially for contract positions. the end goal is to bullshit your way through a few months while learning at least a little bit on the job, then later be able to put down that you have "experience" when applying for your next job. apparently he's had a couple people outright confess to it when they try a webcam interview. yep last job, we had a guy applying for a DBA/middleware position who aced our interview (after one of the c-level idiots nixed webcam screening) and got hired since it was a smaller company, he walked in the door, got onboarded, and was immediately asked a question about an issue we were having with oracle RAC the ceo walked him out the door 
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my goth gf posted:
how does a conversation like that even go? must be the awkwardest thing imaginable.
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Ocrassus posted:how does a conversation like that even go? must be the awkwardest thing imaginable. it was at another office but i have to imagine it started with "what the gently caress were you thinking?"
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May 7, 2017 03:13
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my goth gf posted:yep some guy on an airplane was hyping oracle rac to me and lol what trash
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May 7, 2017 03:50
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AnoHito posted:my manager actually explained this to me once. apparently it's surprisingly common, especially for contract positions. the end goal is to bullshit your way through a few months while learning at least a little bit on the job, then later be able to put down that you have "experience" when applying for your next job. apparently he's had a couple people outright confess to it when they try a webcam interview. On the other hand, I love to interview people who think they can BS their way through an interview. I'll bring them in and have others interview them so they can up their bullshit detection game. I interviewed one guy for a front-end position who honestly thought that JavaScript was a sub-language of Java and would push to use Node.js whenever possible. Curious, I asked him to whiteboard how to create a new thread in JavaScript. He wrote a Promise with multiple .then(). He confidently said that each .then() was a new thread. 
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May 7, 2017 03:57
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Cocoa Crispies posted:some guy on an airplane was hyping oracle rac to me and lol what trash i like to imagine that some guy just randomly came up to you during a flight and started talking about RAC for no discernible reason
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my goth gf posted:i like to imagine that some guy just randomly came up to you during a flight and started talking about RAC for no discernible reason i clocked in and started coding and he was like a toshiba sales guy for south and Latin America and I was super hype about riak and the cap theorem at the time
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May 7, 2017 04:01
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Ocrassus posted:how does a conversation like that even go? must be the awkwardest thing imaginable. nah, it's easy to fire someone who is terrible and also a liar. the hard fires are people that are barely mediocre and you gave them a chance but they're just not doing well.
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The Management posted:nah, it's easy to fire someone who is terrible and also a liar. the hard fires are people that are barely mediocre and you gave them a chance but they're just not doing well. hr doesn't understand why I'm so unwilling to consider tech boot-camp candidates for full time positions when they have no job history and a 14 week programming course on their resume. it was a real eye opener for me when a friend at microsoft told me there's plenty of lovely coders there who came in through acquisitions and manage to stick around because they manage to barely avoid screwing up enough to get canned.
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Cocoa Crispies posted:i clocked in and started coding and he was like a toshiba sales guy for south and Latin America and I was super hype about riak and the cap theorem at the time Man you were on the cusp of a breakthrough in disproving that cap trash and this nerd starts talking about freaking Oracle... Talk about lame 
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https://youtu.be/bNpoTSx_C_A
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summarize plz
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ShadowHawk posted:summarize plz gray forums poster doesn't know how to embed video.
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it's important that we hire only the most top-flight candidates with extensive experience to code our enterprise-grade fart apps and monitor our largely automated servers
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FrozenVent posted:probably to make sure you're not a complete slob and or a punk and or a fat if "doesn't look / act like I do" isn't a top 3 explanation for "culture fit" in this industry, I'd be surprised and then there's this: https://twitter.com/doryowen/status/860964227695161345
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cis autodrag posted:apple wants me to come out for an onsite! now we find out new ways for me to embarrass myself in technical interviews. also i need to find dates i can conceivably attribute to family events. a little late to the party but drat you go girl
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When you report salary do you report "salary" or total expected comp ("salary" + stock grant at current price + expected bonus) This is for things where they need to know your income - like applying for a loan or some such. I am new to the "good job" thing and need to learn your customs.
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report to whom? for loans its just salary cause they care about cash flow
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May 8, 2017 15:24
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Khym posted:When you report salary do you report "salary" or total expected comp ("salary" + stock grant at current price + expected bonus) tell your accountant all details; no lies, no secrets or ask whatever banker you're dealing with for loan stuff
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Khym posted:When you report salary do you report "salary" or total expected comp ("salary" + stock grant at current price + expected bonus) loans care about what you can show on your W2 (income), and how much you have total in savings+investments. unvested money doesn't exist.
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for financial poo poo they'll ask you for exactly what they need and you should give it to them. lying about it is very bad as it gives the other party a mechanism to put more liability on to you.
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The Management posted:loans care about what you can show on your W2 (income), and how much you have total in savings+investments. unvested money doesn't exist. Ok, thanks. How about this situation: I have a four year grant. 25% vests after 1 year so I guess that is fake until it isn't. From then on out, the grant vests continually with each paycheck. It's an outright grant - I am being given the stock and can do what I like with it, and the company is publicly traded and liquid. Is that income?
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you can provide the details to the banker and they will decide how relevant it is. theoretically it is a form of income.
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Khym posted:Ok, thanks. How about this situation: it is income when you it vests, yes. if you're in the us you will pay income tax on it when you get it and it will be reflected on your w2.
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Khym posted:When you report salary do you report "salary" or total expected comp ("salary" + stock grant at current price + expected bonus) are you interviewing for a credit line or something??
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Great, thanks!
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May 8, 2017 16:08
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Say hello to our new employee! (she's an intern for technical recruiting)
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I bet she's cool.
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poemdexter posted:Say hello to our new employee! sound fine  ?
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to stay actually on topic, my first ever cold calling recruiter has panned out into a physical interview with their client 
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cinci zoo sniper posted:physical interview imessage me
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I had an hour long shared coding interview with these guys. after silence for a month, they decided they want to continue. their recruiter called me this morning and when I told him I was not interested in continuing he hung up on me. an hour later I got this:quote:It’s a shame to hear you are not interested in continuing the process with COMPANY. Hiring has not been their #1 priority given deadlines they have been looking to hit so the fact that they would like to continue says a lot about their interest in you. After a call with an engineer is an onsite, scheduled quickly after, then the offer stage. lots of red flags here.
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The Management posted:I had an hour long shared coding interview with these guys. after silence for a month, they decided they want to continue. their recruiter called me this morning and when I told him I was not interested in continuing he hung up on me. an hour later I got this: you're really going to miss out on this unmarked can of smashed fish assholes
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The Management posted:I had an hour long shared coding interview with these guys. after silence for a month, they decided they want to continue. their recruiter called me this morning and when I told him I was not interested in continuing he hung up on me. an hour later I got this: desperate and incompetent, that's a no
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The Management posted:lots of
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quote:so the fact that they would like to continue says a lot about their interest in you *points to door*
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quote:Hiring has not been their #1 priority given deadlines
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jre posted:Massive lol at this yeah that's a real  statement to make
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The Management posted:I had an hour long shared coding interview with these guys. after silence for a month, they decided they want to continue. their recruiter called me this morning and when I told him I was not interested in continuing he hung up on me. an hour later I got this: "look, they don't respect you or your time for weeks on end, but IF (AND ITS A BIG IF U FRAUD) you got *inside* it'd be more than tolerable!"
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