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Night10194 posted:What in god's name is this It's Chicken Attack.
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Bacarruda posted:Ok, some thoughts. Yeah, this is literally the only viable plan. We need to be the functional government of Angola by the time the Chinese arrive. My observation would be that the Chinese are going to have zero time for a bunch of internet Libertarians, but once we've hosed off, Von Hoff can happily take a ton of chinese money in return for supporting China in the UN or whatever China wants. So if we can force the Chinese to choose between Von Hoff and the Free state it's easy. If they get to choose between the Dictator and Von Hoff though, harder decision. Bottom line is we need to take the capital by land, and that means Coastal CAS -> Assaulting the capital. Cthulhu Dreams fucked around with this message at 04:14 on May 8, 2017 |
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May 8, 2017 04:12
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I'm a newcomer here, could we launch a feint attack of some sort too?
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May 8, 2017 04:18
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RandomPauI posted:I'm a newcomer here, could we launch a feint attack of some sort too? If the enemy wasn't very entrenched, sure. Sadly, the Dictators' forces are very, very much entrenched and trying to buy time until China intervenes. I was going to try to say something about superior forces, amassed, decisive battle, but I started gagging when I tried to type incorrect Japanese Naval doctrine. Groggy nard fucked around with this message at 04:32 on May 8, 2017 |
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May 8, 2017 04:26
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I think Bacarruda has the right of it. Coastal CAS [+SEAD] -> Capital Assault [+HVT Strike?] seems like the only viable option. Besides, we'll do damage to the Free State when they send up birds we ID as hostile and get shot down by our CAP.
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May 8, 2017 04:43
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Coastal CAS because hitting the capital doesn't help until it helps us put boots on the streets. Clear the coast for armor and the SA-11s can be driven off by ground forces.
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May 8, 2017 05:02
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It strikes me that we don't have much choice in the matter. We can't fight a Chinese Carrier Battle Group. One good thwack from their ship launched cruise missiles and an airstrike puts us out of business for good. We need to have a legitimate, recognized government in place before they arrive. The only way to do this is to get the Count into the capital. This means Coastal CAS.
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May 8, 2017 05:27
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Night10194 posted:What in god's name is this it is the future my firend
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May 8, 2017 05:31
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Yeah, after reading the coastal SAS Sounds good. Going into the capital is going to be a firefight and without good ground intel we're not in a great place. Engaging hte Free States gives the DIctator time to retrench and they don't seem capable of engaging in an attack anyways, and we don't have time to take advantage of securing the highway even if we do. Also think we should keep some screening assets in the east just in case they try an advance or some raids on us.
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May 8, 2017 05:32
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Hitting the Free State may get us more territory, but doesn't help against our main threat at this point the UN strike force. If this were a different sort of wargame I would say uprooting the dictator from the capital may do enough to break his support to end the war a la Franco-Prussian War and France in the World Wars. However since we provide air support and not a ground maneuver army expecting a quick decisive campaign for the capital may be a bit too much to ask for out of Van Hoff's forces. They were stretched thin just holding the line for us against the Bulgarians. As such the Coastal CAS is the only option that is in our capabilities and can pave the way to the capital later.
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May 8, 2017 05:56
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Can we get a morale check on the Free State? I really think they are up for a deal at this point.
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May 8, 2017 06:11
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Definitely make a deal with the Free State to push on the Dictator. I'm not saying we should trust them, but we need to put aside our difference for now. They've lost a lot of comrades to the dictator and will probably accept neutrality while we are co-belligerents against Dos Santos. If we knock out Dos Santos in the next two rounds there's always turning on the Free State. Most of their territory is inlands where the Carrier group can't reach. Not sure how we'd deal with their coastal territory except maybe a quick blitz before they make a desperate deal with China, which would probably take a short while since it'd be against their instincts to ally with authoritarians. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 06:36 on May 8, 2017 |
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May 8, 2017 06:19
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lets steal a carrier group
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May 8, 2017 06:21
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Loel posted:Can we get a morale check on the Free State? I really think they are up for a deal at this point. Why would they have bad morale? Sure they lost a few planes but they're doing very well right now.
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May 8, 2017 06:33
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At any rate they should know their odds of survival are higher if Dos Santos is gone and they control more land by the time the Chinese arrive. Otherwise China will certainly support the Dictator against them.
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May 8, 2017 06:41
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I vote Coastal CAS. Later, on the final mission we can hit high value targets once we have more intel.
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May 8, 2017 06:48
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Tossing in another vote for Coastal CAS. Clear the way for one last push.
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May 8, 2017 07:18
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Why all this interest in the dictator? Possession is 9/10 of the law. If he wants to turtle in the capital, fine. Let him. When China shows up and the UN try to unpick this clusterfuck, they're likely going to go with having whoever administers hard-to-communicate-with rural areas continue doing so. Well, except the Free State. When the UN shows up they'll laugh them out of the way. On the other hand, if we cut off this dictator's head, another will simply rise up in the areas Hoff hadn't got to when the Free State had to leave. So my vote is do whatever gets Hoff the largest amount of physical geography possible before the Chinese and UN arrive
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May 8, 2017 08:26
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Added Space posted:Why would they have bad morale? Sure they lost a few planes but they're doing very well right now. They're getting their poo poo kicked in along the coast, with no signs of being able to stop it. Once the dos Santos forces push up to the border with the DRC, whatever Free State forces are left in Angola will be cut off from supplies. Free State is dead meat.
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May 8, 2017 09:22
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Coastal CAS Has Jack left the Free State yet and/or can we get any useful intel from him?
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May 8, 2017 09:38
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is it possible that the only reason the free state gained any ground is that the dictator was throwing everything at us?
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May 8, 2017 09:59
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Dance Officer posted:They're getting their poo poo kicked in along the coast, with no signs of being able to stop it. Once the dos Santos forces push up to the border with the DRC, whatever Free State forces are left in Angola will be cut off from supplies. Unless Dos Santos pulls his forces back to protect the capital in response to our maneuvers. Also, one thing to consider - sitting on Lithium mines and hoping for a compromise deal is pretty much the Free State endgame. Can Jack start using his contacts to get a feel for what the international community's likely approach is going to be? Seems like if we know likely how the UN is going to try and approach this situation, we can tailor our strategy accordingly. Also, time for Team Provisional Government to step up their social media game. There's a a bunch of exiles who've come back from the first world and Von Hoff has a lot of first-world supporters, it's time for a PR blitz. Invite the world media into our area, find some charismatic Angolan spokespeople to explain in their own words why the Provisional Government is the rgiht call. Having an actual governing body made up of Angolans is probably going to help our cause in the eyes of the world. Show it's not just one mad European, but a government by the people, of the people, and for the people.
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May 8, 2017 10:01
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Is it just me or did the last mission video feature some annoying beeps and echoes in the background?
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May 8, 2017 10:40
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An extra possibility, we ally with the Free state temporarily for access so that we can attack from the East. Von Hoff can always buy them off or betray them later, but this is the option that preserves the most military strength unless the Free State betrays us, but then they would be doomed. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 12:08 on May 8, 2017 |
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May 8, 2017 10:50
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Coastal. SDBs are boring, though. Lets roll in with Mk82s like the real badasses we are. LDGP 4 LYFE
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May 8, 2017 12:14
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Tevery Best posted:Is it just me or did the last mission video feature some annoying beeps and echoes in the background? I had a 3d printer running for the first 30 minutes or so of the stream. I'd expected it to be done before the stream started but it went long. Kfir's added to the unit list in Post #2 as well. Von Hoff has been informed about the note, he thought it to be a good laugh and assured us that we'd have an opportunity to make even more.
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May 8, 2017 12:33
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Yooper posted:Von Hoff has been informed about the note, he thought it to be a good laugh and assured us that we'd have an opportunity to make even more.  Von Hoff is the best. I just hope we make his dream of a free Angola reality.
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May 8, 2017 12:38
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I predict that the UN peace deal will be so that our dictator gets a golden parachute and Von Hoff / Free State are going to get a seat in writing the new constitution which will probably be an interesting mixture of central european law with a lot of libertarian provisions about very lax laws over all kinds of fun stuff. If they agree on it, the place will get a very swiss-like government. My recommendation is a decapitation strike to the capital, preferably before the chinese intervention arrives. Haul a lot of excess assets out too because I get the feeling China will try to pin us for war crimes.
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May 8, 2017 12:58
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Jimmy4400nav posted:2 Escort Carriers The J-15 however has very short legs, and our Meteors outrange the PL-12 by a good 40km or so and because they're ramjet-powered, they will be more effective at their maximum range than the rocket-powered PL-12 will be. As an aside, can we take a contract for one of the Chinese warlords after we're done here? Quinntan fucked around with this message at 13:21 on May 8, 2017 |
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May 8, 2017 13:18
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simplefish posted:Why all this interest in the dictator? In this case, possession is likely to be ten-tenths of the law. Thing is, if we only possess rural farmland, than means jack poo poo. 80% of the shipping, all the lithium and oil refining, most of the people, all the major radio stations, the universities (i.e. all the poo poo Von Hoff needs to build a stable, prosperous country that can actually pay us) live in or around the capital city. We have to take the capital to be politically legitimate and economically viable. The only way to take it is with ground troops. The only way to get ground troops there is with Coastal CAS. Yvonmukluk posted:Can Jack start using his contacts to get a feel for what the international community's likely approach is going to be? Seems like if we know likely how the UN is going to try and approach this situation, we can tailor our strategy accordingly. These are all excellent ideas. Anyone up to make an Angola Provisional Government Twitter?
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May 8, 2017 13:42
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Quinntan posted:The J-15 however has very short legs, and our Meteors outrange the PL-12 by a good 40km or so and because they're ramjet-powered, they will be more effective at their maximum range than the rocket-powered PL-12 will be. On the other hand, getting in a shooting match with UN-approved peacekeepers is probably a bad idea. Although I could potentially get behind anyone looking to establish a Federal Republic of China or United States of China. I figure Angola is a good practice for his kind of thing, but it's probably way, way, way in our future, since we'll be actually fighting 5th-generation jets for real. They'll have to make do without Tibet, though.
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May 8, 2017 14:03
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Bacarruda posted:We have to take the capital to be politically legitimate and economically viable. The only way to take it is with ground troops. The only way to get ground troops there is with Coastal CAS. Why can't we use the East-West highway?
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May 8, 2017 14:05
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I hope I'm not interrupting, but I just saw Strike Commander was on sale for $1.50 over on gog.com and thought someone might like to know about that. It's part of the weekly sale so there are other, non F-16 related games too. I'll go back to catching up with the thread now.
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May 8, 2017 14:11
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Bacarruda posted:In this case, possession is likely to be ten-tenths of the law. Thing is, if we only possess rural farmland, than means jack poo poo. quote:These are all excellent ideas. Anyone up to make an Angola Provisional Government Twitter?
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May 8, 2017 14:12
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I think we should try to decapitate the dictator, though the free state is tempting as always. The reason is, as some have said, the more area we give the Count, the better his position when the UN arrives. The free state won't be able to do a lot and if we don't attack them we don't piss of any more people then necessary.
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May 8, 2017 14:23
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I think we all agree the dictator has to go, just a matter of how we go about it. I encourage any other immediate capstrike voters to switch to Coastal CAS, so we can do this right.
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May 8, 2017 14:34
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Why can't we use the East-West highway? Right now it's the front line in the east. The Free State and Mbeke's boys are tossing grenades over the asphalt.
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May 8, 2017 14:32
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Yooper posted:Right now it's the front line in the east. The Free State and Mbeke's boys are tossing grenades over the asphalt. Right. But if we advance so it's in our territory can we use it to hit the capital?
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May 8, 2017 14:34
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Right. But if we advance so it's in our territory can we use it to hit the capital? That's a distinct possibility. Once that conduit is in our, or the Free States hands, it becomes infinitely easier to traverse troops and assets across the entire nation.      Whoever vandalized that Totoro sculpture is in big trouble. It's like 80 feet tall.
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One day OKUSTUDENT will get the advice he dreams of. Just might be posthumously at this rate.
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