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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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https://twitter.com/severincarrell/status/860445223993954307 A Tory councillor for the East End of Glasgow. loving nora Inverness Milburn returns 1 Labour, 1 SNP, 1 Tory, from 1 Labour, 1 SNP & 1 Liberal. So far the story of the Highlands has been the Lib Dem bounceback being non-existent, and their votes benefiting Tories. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 11:54 on May 5, 2017 |
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May 5, 2017 11:46
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Assuming some random group on Facebook know what they're talking about Oban (North and South) has gone from 6 independents, an SNP and a Labour to 4 Independents, 2 SNP and 2 Conservative.
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May 5, 2017 12:09
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Labour have lost overall control of Glasgow. Full results not in yet.
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May 5, 2017 12:28
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Willie Young lost his seat. Might have something to do with the Marischal Square fiasco and this:
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May 5, 2017 13:02
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We (Labour) have five in in Edinburgh now. Gained one from the SNP in Colinton, nice surprise, but I'd expect a SNP/CON coalition, maybe SNP/LAB or SNP/GRN.
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May 5, 2017 13:43
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SNP have already ruled out any coalitions with the tories anywhere, so we'll see how that shakes out. Glasgow are now onto five conservatives, by my count. No balustrade will be safe.
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May 5, 2017 13:52
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From BBC Scotland: "Conservative councillors have been voted on to Highland Council for the first time in 22 years with three councillors so far being elected in wards in Inverness." At least one of the two guys I've worked with has been re-elected as a councillor, so I can keep a quite decent reference for jobs & all that. Greens seem to have picked up a few seats.
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May 5, 2017 14:02
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Edinburgh scorecard so far: Tory: 15 Nat: 15 Green: 6 Lab: 9 Lib: 6 3 wards with 12 seats yet to declare. I thought the Greens were doing much better than they are.
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May 5, 2017 14:47
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Aberdeen City Council: Labour: 9 SNP: 19 Tory: 11 Lib Dems: 4 Independent: 2 Watch as Labour and Tories go into coalition to keep the SNP out and sell out the entire city to Muse.
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May 5, 2017 15:43
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Coohoolin posted:Aberdeen City Council: Who are the independents in Aberdeen?
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May 5, 2017 16:00
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I'm trying to find results for my home ward up north at the moment (I saw via his daughter's facebook the person who was first at least but that's no surprise), but I had to stop to come and tell you that Eilean a 'Cheo have elected a councillor called Ronald MacDonald. EDIT: As with anything else, nothing changes back home. I bet that's even the same tartan jacket our local independent has sported on political occasions for as long as I've been alive. EDIT EDIT: Also my friend topped the poll in her ward, delighted! And Jezza came up and campaigned for her when she was first elected, so I'm hoping she does get him back as promised 
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May 5, 2017 16:08
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Skinty McEdger posted:Who are the independents in Aberdeen? Marie Boulton and John Michael Reynolds. I know Boulton is basically a Labour prop.
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May 5, 2017 16:10
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Also, how has nobody mentioned Tories getting elected in Ferguslie Park and loving RAVENSCRAIG?! That to me is the most insane result of the whole election right there. EDIT: Holy sweet Jesus, I have a Tory councillor.......What the actual.... (and they came top of the votes.....loving hell) Acaila fucked around with this message at 16:18 on May 5, 2017 |
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May 5, 2017 16:15
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Coohoolin posted:Watch as Labour and Tories go into coalition to keep the SNP out and sell out the entire city to Muse. I'm very disappointed upon googling that this is post not about the band Muse. Admittedly I would not want them to own a city either.
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May 5, 2017 16:17
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Acaila posted:Also, how has nobody mentioned Tories getting elected in Ferguslie Park and loving RAVENSCRAIG?! That to me is the most insane result of the whole election right there. Wait,I heard about ferguslie and shettleston, but they got one in the craig? gently caress me.
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May 5, 2017 16:21
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Fee Gee going tory is actually beyond my comprehension.
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May 5, 2017 16:33
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Feegee is insane, but how can people's memories be so short in Ravenscraig to ever give them the time of day? It's like Orgreave electing a Tory MP!
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May 5, 2017 16:35
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Final Glasgow results in, SNP+Green or SNP+Labour are the only possible combinations. SNP 39, Labour 31, Tories 8 and Greens 7.
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May 5, 2017 16:51
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Angepain posted:Final Glasgow results in, SNP+Green or SNP+Labour are the only possible combinations. SNP 39, Labour 31, Tories 8 and Greens 7. It'll be green, or snp minority with likely green support. Juat like westminster. mcAveety is still on top of Glasgow Labour (somehow) so unless he does a Nick Clegg, it'll be greens. Best case would be hoping Matt Kerr crosses the floor. Or if he's staunchly anti indy, goes independent.
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May 5, 2017 16:58
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Is there anywhere with a good write up on what has been happening in Glasgow council over the last few years. When I stayed there I could never imagine it flipping from Labour.
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May 5, 2017 17:05
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Skinty McEdger posted:Is there anywhere with a good write up on what has been happening in Glasgow council over the last few years. When I stayed there I could never imagine it flipping from Labour. There's usually lots of stuff on a thousand flowers on the various ghouls inhabiting Glasgow council.
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May 5, 2017 17:25
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Taking some small amusement from a friend complaining about the Tory surge in Benbecula to a whopping 51 votes. Still last, behind 6 independents and the SNP, but she's incensed 51 fellow islanders are that thick.
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May 5, 2017 17:54
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Not surprised that the SNP & Labour lost a good amount of votes to Tories. Tartan Tories jump ship to the Conservatives while Labour Unionists would likely jump to the Tories as well creating a very good position for the Tories. Everyone else who isn't Tory is going to suffer loses except for the Greens who I think got a fair amount of votes from across the SNP & possibly Labour voters.
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May 5, 2017 18:48
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https://twitter.com/AlanRoden/status/860587749430050817 ScotLab's Communications Director really struggling to put a positive spin on losing Glasgow City Council just seems a bit deluded.
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May 5, 2017 23:38
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What's he even using for that first figure? SNP got 33% of first-preference votes, 25% of seats in the 2012 council election, 45% of the regional vote in the 2016 holyrood election...
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May 6, 2017 00:45
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This was the front-page story in the Glasgow Herald today and my favourite take on the results up here: http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15269198.Tory_surge___39_sinks_case__39__for_independence_poll/ (It's paywalled / limited access registration but you only need to see the headline and first paragraph really). Having looked up the much-trumpeted Shettleston result (I'm still in denial about Ferguslie Park), I'm thinking that digging any meaningful conclusions out of the overall data might theoretically be possible for statisticians, but probably hadn't happened by Friday night and going to press. There's mad amounts available though, including spreadsheets of individual ballots. From a badly-educated swatch at Shettleston I got that (a) the Conservative candidate who was elected was the first choice of 1/10th of the electorate (18% of voters) (b) a vast majority of Labour voters didn't vote for any other party, and of those who did, it went 60-40 to Tories and SNP respectively. So between these things I am a bit reassured that the world has not quite turned on its head. It's also pretty funny that the Scottish Labour Party were the only party to go under an alternative name -- "Glasgow Labour" -- on the ballot, apparently not having realised that presenting as The Establishment doesn't go down very well these days.
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May 6, 2017 22:53
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Juliet Whisky posted:This was the front-page story in the Glasgow Herald today and my favourite take on the results up here: You can open it in an incognito window to get around the paywall. Does mean you have to endure ad-hell though.
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May 6, 2017 23:17
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Surprised no one talked about Patrick Harvie putting himself as an MP candidate.
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May 7, 2017 00:08
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Extreme0 posted:Surprised no one talked about Patrick Harvie putting himself as an MP candidate. Hadn't heard that. Call me a defeatist but it seems a mite pointless because he'd only win if the SNP forget to run someone against him.
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May 7, 2017 00:42
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Extreme0 posted:Surprised no one talked about Patrick Harvie putting himself as an MP candidate. It could be the last chance for Scottish people to ever be Members of the House of Commons for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland! Anyone who has ever even idly daydreamed about it should be putting their deposit down. (It's a canny enough move by the Greens, who've been doing a great job maintaining a profile in the context of every other one pragmatically voting SNP. Since the last election demonstrated the futility of sending anyone at all to Westminster from here, it's as well that they benefit along with the Tories when hardly anyone turns up to vote next month. Nice one that they will probably be part of a coalition for GCC; all the window posters on Alexandra Parade were for the Greens, with the exception of one which was a reinstated 'Remain' poster from last year. I hope they fix the bike routes, ideally with the slogan of "Glasgow's Miles Better".) e: punctuation X2, double parentheses are for mathematics Juliet Whisky fucked around with this message at 01:20 on May 7, 2017 |
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May 7, 2017 01:14
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This stoking up nationalism thing is working out wellquote:MEMBERS of the Orange Order have won council seats in the local elections by standing for the Labour and Tory parties, the Sunday Herald can reveal. The Orange Order has boasted that its elected councillors will work to derail a second independence referendum, the organisation’s Scottish leader said.
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May 8, 2017 18:54
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jre posted:This stoking up nationalism thing is working out well Wait, will you just clarify for me something? Are you blaming the Scottish nationalists for the Orange Order? Because I guarantee you that this is not some stunning new development, there have been councillors who have been members of the Orange Order in Scotland plenty going back decades. It is of course of blight on the face of this country, but it's got gently caress all to do with the independence referendum "stoking up nationalism" for fucksake. This dangerous & unpleasant form of British nationalism is not the responsibility of the Scottish independence movement any more than the Irish's independence forces were responsible for them in Ireland. The Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland has been around since 1798 for fucksake, & even longer in Ulster. It's a vile organisation wrapped up in an extreme view in Britishness & Protestantism, trying to blame the SNP on them is just loving bizarre. But I'm wanting to make sure I've not misunderstood you before jumping down your throat. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 20:07 on May 8, 2017 |
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May 8, 2017 20:00
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forkboy84 posted:Wait, will you just clarify for me something? I'm blaming the SNP for polarising Scottish politics around nationalism which has led to the Scottish Tory resurgence as Labour got squeezed out for not having a natural position on either side.
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May 8, 2017 20:04
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jre posted:I'm blaming the SNP for polarising Scottish politics around nationalism which has led to the Scottish Tory resurgence as Labour got squeezed out for not having a natural position on either side. But the Orange Order were making declarations of turning into a paramilitary organisation in Scotland after independence as early as 2001, well before the SNP polarised Scottish politics around nationalism. The only people to blame for the Orange Order having councillors is Labour & the Conservatives for poorly vetting their candidates rather than making a stand about opportunistic bigots not being welcome in mainstream Scottish politics, or not thinking it's a big deal. But carry on blaming the SNP for literally anything, it doesn't make you sound at all unhinged.
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May 8, 2017 20:10
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Which bit is unhinged ? Stating that the SNP have polarised Scottish political discourse around nationalism ? Stating that Labour have been hosed because they don't have a natural Unionist or Nationalist position ? Stating that the resurgence of the Tories has led to an increase in councillors with orange order sympathies ?
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May 8, 2017 20:14
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jre posted:Which bit is unhinged ? Well, the bit saying that the strongly unionist Labour Party don't have a natural unionist position seems pretty unhinged from reality, yeah. Placing the blame for the Tory resurgence on the SNP rather than on Scottish Labour is also pretty unhinged to be honest with you. Or if not unhinged then certainly an infantile way of looking at politics. The people to blame for the growth of the Tory vote in Scotland are Tory voters mate. That's it. Sure, you can point to the collapse of Labour (which started before the independence referendum, it'd have been loving impossible to have the referendum if the Nats didn't have a majority at Holyrood, where it was meant to be impossible to actually win a majority, precisely in order to stop them calling for that referendum), a polarisation around the Nationalists and any other thing you want, but at the end of the day, a lot of people voted Tory & a lot more didn't bother their arses voting against the Tories. That's the bottom line here. I'm quite happy to have a reasonable discussion about the reasons that Scottish Labour collapsed from 56 MPs out of 72 in 1997 to 1 out of 59 in 2015, & from 56 MSPs in 1999 to 24 in 2016, but denying Labour's own role in that downfall isn't reasonable, it's unhinged.
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May 8, 2017 20:46
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Wait Orangemen standing as Tory councillors and voting Tory when they have historically stood as Labour councillors and voted Labour is somehow the fault of the SNP? *casually wonders how many Orange marches the new Glasgow City Council administration will allow to go ahead this year*
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May 8, 2017 21:02
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You should have voted for Fishman.
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keep punching joe posted:Wait Orangemen standing as Tory councillors and voting Tory when they have historically stood as Labour councillors and voted Labour is somehow the fault of the SNP? Historically Labour was the only party not virulently anti-catholic in Scotland. The SNP has an wonderful history of opposition to the papes. Do I need to post that Billy Wolfe thing again ? Can you name all the orange order members who historically stood as labour councillors ? forkboy84 posted:unhinged, unhinged unhinged
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May 8, 2017 23:27
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