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Your Computer posted:Smough = Aldrich is a perfect example of what I was talking about with everything having to be DS1 related/literally from DS1. Godeater Smough would have been such a better Lord of Cinder than Aldrich.
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Lore talk: Everybody is a giant crab, and the giant crab is everyone
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May 9, 2017 01:55
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People saying anor londor over and over really triggers me.
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May 9, 2017 02:03
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anal lampoon
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May 9, 2017 02:09
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hanales posted:People saying anor londor over and over really triggers me. I would say what's causing me the same issue but at this point I think everyone already knows 
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May 9, 2017 02:21
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God drat I hate the spear fight. They gave everything they needed to make sure everyone just runs in circles forever.
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May 9, 2017 02:51
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Vermain posted:I think that's the intended route, yeah. Barring that, just put on a bunch of item find gear, kill all the Charred Loyce Knights with your un-Charred buddies, and then use the Feather to return to the bonfire after the Ivory King proper appears. Or ask someone who knows what's up to drop them because that grind is inexcusable. 
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May 9, 2017 02:57
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RBA Starblade posted:God drat I hate the spear fight. They gave everything they needed to make sure everyone just runs in circles forever. I had one host the other day who just walked in circles around a post. After like two rotations I wised up and started blasting him with spells the second he came back around instead of when he started going. He'd then rotate the other direction. Every hit he'd chug one of his estus behind the post and keep on going. I ended with full health because he couldn't even kill the painting guardian. Any time he tried I'd hit him and he'd go cower behind a post again. Eventually he ran out of estus, I ran out of FP and just smashed him over the head with my sword until he died.
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May 9, 2017 03:00
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Nuebot posted:I had one host the other day who just walked in circles around a post. After like two rotations I wised up and started blasting him with spells the second he came back around instead of when he started going. He'd then rotate the other direction. Every hit he'd chug one of his estus behind the post and keep on going. I ended with full health because he couldn't even kill the painting guardian. Any time he tried I'd hit him and he'd go cower behind a post again. Eventually he ran out of estus, I ran out of FP and just smashed him over the head with my sword until he died. The thing that gets me is that it sucks on both ends. It sucks to fight because you just get a spear that rolls forever and it sucks to invade because everyone just cowers. I liked the mirror squire fight more honestly. I got summoned more too.
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May 9, 2017 03:04
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hanales posted:People saying anor londor over and over really triggers me. I had to read this post like 5 times before realizing what the issue was
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RBA Starblade posted:The thing that gets me is that it sucks on both ends. It sucks to fight because you just get a spear that rolls forever and it sucks to invade because everyone just cowers. I liked the mirror squire fight more honestly. I got summoned more too. The thing is, spears can't heal. A spear that just rolls and plays defensively sucks because they're not really going to win. You can just whittle that poo poo down, even if they're packing heal spells they only have like what, seven estus max? An aggressive spear will win more just by virtue of making the most of their slightly higher stats and being able to wreck dudes before they realize what's up. I love spawning in and just nuking all the host's phantoms because my spells do 800-1000 damage a hit and that usually sends the host into a great panic spiral of them on the defense.
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May 9, 2017 03:10
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Nuebot posted:The thing is, spears can't heal. A spear that just rolls and plays defensively sucks because they're not really going to win. You can just whittle that poo poo down, even if they're packing heal spells they only have like what, seven estus max? An aggressive spear will win more just by virtue of making the most of their slightly higher stats and being able to wreck dudes before they realize what's up. I love spawning in and just nuking all the host's phantoms because my spells do 800-1000 damage a hit and that usually sends the host into a great panic spiral of them on the defense. A defensive one just needs to poke when they go for the guardian and they're set, though. And the poise on it means that you're going to beat the poo poo out of the host before the guardian even starts to flinch. I've had one fight where the spear didn't do this. It's the one I won. At least I got my ult the paired UGS again, so I can just come back when I want to. Also it's the first time I've seen Halflight, so that's neat too. I kind of prefer it with him instead of a player. RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 03:25 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 03:18
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That's why I love poisoning spears during that fight. Most people don't run with mosses readily available.
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May 9, 2017 05:24
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How to make the spear fight better: As the loading screen fades, you see a circular platform in front of you. It's Final Destination. On the other side stands your opponent. You recognise him immediately as Fox McCloud. You realise your own character is also Fox McCloud. Your estus is greyed out, no items are allowed. You wait for the painting guardian but they never show up. This is 1v1.
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May 9, 2017 05:42
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CJacobs posted:edit: Although sources in future games indicate Gwynevere was pretty vain so maybe she's not actually like the illusion-Gwynevere was in DS1. What are these sources? I don't know DS2/3 lore as well as I do DS1.
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May 9, 2017 06:13
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RBA Starblade posted:A defensive one just needs to poke when they go for the guardian and they're set, though. And the poise on it means that you're going to beat the poo poo out of the host before the guardian even starts to flinch. I've had one fight where the spear didn't do this. It's the one I won. The painting guardians don't have any poise. Assuming equal skill, the fight is hilariously lopsided in the hosts favor because of estus. The fight is only difficult if the painting guardian's decide to actually be smart but most of the time their AI causes them to be worthless. Even when you go out of your way to try and work with the painting guardian they like to do stupid crap like ring their chimes right in front of the enemy. Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at 06:17 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 06:15
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Your Computer posted:To me, it's like the "Rosaria is Gwynevere" thing. The lore community simply can't allow something to be its own thing; it has to be connected to (or literally) someone/thing from DS1. The text really obviously implies a connection between the Queen of Lothric and Gwynevere. What's left ambiguous is whether that's Gwynevere or a descendant of her, really. Look, I get it, the lore community can be pretty bad, but you don't need to get mad at them for things they more or less got right.
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May 9, 2017 06:52
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:The text really obviously implies a connection between the Queen of Lothric and Gwynevere. What's left ambiguous is whether that's Gwynevere or a descendant of her, really. Look, I get it, the lore community can be pretty bad, but you don't need to get mad at them for things they more or less got right. The only thing really connecting them is the divine blessing. I think some nerds on reddit found out that the Japanese text just says that she was "likened to" a goddess of fertility or something. Not that she literally was one. As for Gwynevere and Rosaria, Rosaria's soul links them but so does the Dancer's.
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May 9, 2017 07:09
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Yes, calling the Queen of Lothric "like a goddess of fertility" when they used that wording for Gwynevere in DS1 in the same item's description is done deliberately to draw a connection. I don't see how that's a weird thing to argue at all, to be honest. There's also more stuff that strengthens the connection, like the relationship with her handmaid and the fact that the game goes out of the way to establish a parallel between the royal family of Lothric and the "royal family" of Anor Londo and the Gods, but if you don't buy that it's a connection in the first place, you'll keep seeing that as grasping as straws. Now, of course some people are going to be really weird and argue that the Divine Blessing is actually her breast milk or whatever, but I don't see how that's a problem with the primary thesis.
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May 9, 2017 07:24
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Huh, Gael went down ... surprisingly easy? I got him fourth try, I actually had more grief from like three quarters of the DLC's normal encounters. Feels kinda ... hollow.
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May 9, 2017 09:30
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Internet Kraken posted:The painting guardians don't have any poise. Whatever you want to call it where you whale on him and great heal fires anyway, then. I guess ultimately I just think DS3 pvp is terrible and the Spear fight encourages the worst part of it for everyone. e: Oh poo poo the paired UGS needs twinkling not regular shards. Well poo poo I guess using a low level alt for this sort of sucks since I need to get past Irithyll Dungeon! RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 13:07 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 12:38
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So I was at the GA Renaissance Festival this week, walking around in my elf ears, because nerrrrrrrrrrd, and I ran into an old friend: And he was all "should we praise?" and I was all "hellz yes we should!"  Cooperation most jolly.
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May 9, 2017 13:43
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HaB posted:So I was at the GA Renaissance Festival this week, walking around in my elf ears, because nerrrrrrrrrrd, and I ran into an old friend: You forgot to get on your tippie toes! (very good!) RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 15:16 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 15:04
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Nuebot posted:The only thing really connecting them is the divine blessing. I think some nerds on reddit found out that the Japanese text just says that she was "likened to" a goddess of fertility or something. Not that she literally was one. Rosaria is probably "old royalty" like the dancer. Nth generation gods is my guess.
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May 9, 2017 15:09
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Finally beat Nameless King on my NG+2 run thanks to a summon 😭😭😭 Now to farm all the covenant items 
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May 9, 2017 16:15
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When you're standing by the Anor Londo bonfire and up the stairs is 12 o' clock, if you look at 9-8 o' clock you can see Lothric Castle, as is natural since the whole point is that you can see Lothric Castle from everywhere because magic space-crunching. But at roughly 7 o' clock (I don't have the game up in front of me so I can't be sure on directions) you see a large building on the edge of a plateau. Is that the Cathedral of the Deep? Or is that Farron Keep.
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May 9, 2017 17:42
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The building on the plateau is the Cathedral of the Deep. You can see Farron Keep far off to the other side (pointing the camera toward Yorshka's tower).
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May 9, 2017 17:45
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Started a new game last night as a Herald because I've never played with a spear, really, and it seemed interesting. Am I mistaken or are spears kinda lovely? It doesn't seem to do very much damage, although it presumably gives up damage for range. I do like having miracles though and I suspect having Blessed/Sunlight/DMB will probably help me out a bit with the damage output. I'm also not sure which spear I should be using, I'm just using the basic one because that's what I started with. Is the bident or whatever still bad? I remember people saying it was really stupid on launch, no idea if that's still the case since it's been years. I'm right by Cathedral so I'll probably pick that up some time today.
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May 9, 2017 22:13
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There are definitely good spears in the game. Much later on but I know the lothric warbanner is pretty good.
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May 9, 2017 22:17
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Thumbtacks posted:Started a new game last night as a Herald because I've never played with a spear, really, and it seemed interesting. The Follower Javelin's really fun for what it is. Whipping a boss in the face to stagger them with it is great.
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May 9, 2017 22:54
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Yeah Spears have kind of gotten worse each game. There are a few serviceable ones.
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May 9, 2017 23:01
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honestly once i get to ashes and i can get my hands on valorheart there's a fair chance i'll just use that for the entire game, it looks so fun
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May 9, 2017 23:02
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You can probably go to ashes early and rush that boss real fast
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May 9, 2017 23:06
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Probably but I don't have the DLC yet, I still need to buy it
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May 9, 2017 23:13
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The lothric knight spear is one of the best spears in the game and can be acquired in the first area so make sure you farm for it. Spears haven't really gotten worse so much as other options have gotten better. Spears have always had limited movepools and lower damage in exchange for the best range. Thing is in DS3, a straight sword has more than enough range for most situations. Straight swords attack faster, can hit multiple enemies, and deal more damage. Its hard for a spear to compare with that in PvE. Their weapon art is also really mediocre.
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May 9, 2017 23:17
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Anyone wanna drop Warmth on PS4 
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May 9, 2017 23:33
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Spears are YOU DIED tier in pvp though because they are so slow that they can be reaction parried
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May 9, 2017 23:38
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Internet Kraken posted:The lothric knight spear is one of the best spears in the game and can be acquired in the first area so make sure you farm for it. Yeah, I think a big part of it is just that the gameplay has evolved. Spears are great in DS1 because most of the enemy AI is simply "move slowly towards player and hit them" which is easily countered with a spear (especially since things actually stagger in that game). As for the Lothric Knight Long Spear, is it actually good? I tried playing with it a bit on my latest casual run, but I got my rear end kicked by so many enemies because it's so slow. Perhaps it's because it's technically a Pike and not a Spear, but I swear the attack speed is like 50% of a standard spear (and the damage doesn't seem enough to bridge the gap). Also it increases poise which, well... yeah.
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Sapozhnik posted:Spears are YOU DIED tier in pvp though because they are so slow that they can be reaction parried PvP is actually where spears do better. The longest spears can be used to pretty safely punish large weapons with a fair amount of ending lag from beyond their range. You're right that they can be parried easier than most weapons, but if someone brings out a parrying tool you've probably forced them to deviate from their desired attack plan. Spears can be useful as a compliment to your build to cover the weaknesses of a shorter weapons. The gargoyle flame spear is still top tier in PvP. Your Computer posted:Yeah, I think a big part of it is just that the gameplay has evolved. Spears are great in DS1 because most of the enemy AI is simply "move slowly towards player and hit them" which is easily countered with a spear (especially since things actually stagger in that game). Lothric knight spear has the longest range of all spears. So its actually a good amount longer than most weapons. You have to take advantage of this to do well with it. If you're just gonna get up close to enemies anyways you might as well use a shorter range weapon with a fast attack speed.
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Pikes attack faster two handed
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