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I haven't felt an ounce of compassion or pity for Chuck since the end of season 1. Am I doing this right?
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drunken officeparty posted:Wouldn't a battery not in anything not affect Chuck? It isn't actually doing anything electrical or creating a field. Like the wires in walls don't bother him if nothing is actively drawing power through them. He only winced at Mikes drill when he pulled the trigger. Earlier in the season he had Ernesto open and install the batteries in the tape player, so he's demonstrated a reaction of sorts to batteries. Not that it matters, since his illness is entirely psychological.
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May 9, 2017 06:55
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Cnut the Great posted:Incidentally, am I really the only person who feels bad for Chuck on any level? The man is mentally ill, and regardless of that not entirely in the wrong. Jimmy really has gotten away with a lot of stuff throughout his life that he shouldn't have gotten away with, all because he's quick-witted and likable. Of course what Chuck did to deny Kim the Mesa Verde case was a dick move, but that doesn't mean Jimmy should have done what he did. Like, if all this was playing out in real life, and your friend told you he feloniously altered legal documents in order to humiliate his mentally ill brother and win back a client for his lawyer girlfriend because she deserved it more, you would be like, "Right on, bro, that was exactly the right move"? I think I would tell him to take a step back, accept that his brother's a dick, realize that two wrongs don't make a right, and be the better man. No I'm with you on this. I think the larger picture is that both these guys are scummy and dysfunctional in their own ways. It's become an arms race between them to the point where the only way for Jimmy to stay out of serious trouble is to totally destroy his brother, and that's sad.
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May 9, 2017 06:59
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Cnut the Great posted:Of course what Chuck did to deny Kim the Mesa Verde case was a dick move
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May 9, 2017 07:03
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drunken officeparty posted:Wouldn't a battery not in anything not affect Chuck? It isn't actually doing anything electrical or creating a field. Like the wires in walls don't bother him if nothing is actively drawing power through them. He only winced at Mikes drill when he pulled the trigger. Chuck feels real symptoms, but they're tied to stress, not electrical fields. But since he's convinced himself that it's all about electricity, whenever he's aware of something electrical nearby, he gets, well, stressed. It's kind of a feedback loop. This explains why he's not affected by anything he's not aware of, why things like batteries affect him even though it doesn't make sense that they would, why his condition worsens when Jimmy pulls shenanigans, and why it gets better when he feels in control. It all comes back to stress.
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May 9, 2017 07:04
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Cnut the Great posted:Are you sure? He's saying "It was 1216", as in that's the number that was on the documents he used to draw up the case, since Jimmy put that number there. He knew that was the number on the documents he was using (before Jimmy switched them back) because it's one year after the Magna Carta was signed. It's the same thing he said at the time, and he was right. I understand that, but at that time, him going to that meeting felt like him not only trying to deny Jimmy something, but to also deny Kim it because she was working with Jimmy. I'd have more sympathy for Chuck if he just been open to Jimmy when he passed the bar, but by being underhanded and then concealing himself, only admitting it in the most sanctimonious way, it rubbed me the wrong way personally. I have family who act like that, they "keep score"; they remember each transgression against them and throw them back at you years later. Jimmy did a bit of kabuki with Huell and bringing Rebecca, but he set his defense and gave Chuck enough rope to hang himself. Remember, Howard did not think Chuck needed to be there. Howard thought with him, the PI and the tape they have Jimmy dead to rights, but Chuck wanted to be there to put the final nail into the coffin, so that Jimmy will get disbarred instead of suspended. What was that quote Chuck used when he and Howard were talking? "Let Justice be done, though the Heavens Fall". Chuck foreshadowed his own demise.
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May 9, 2017 07:04
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May 9, 2017 07:07
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Big Piece O poo poo posted:I haven't felt an ounce of compassion or pity for Chuck since the end of season 1. Am I doing this right? I don't know, it just seems to me like this show is intentionally written so as to give Chuck an at least partially understandable point of view, giving greater depth to the conflict between Chuck and Jimmy than would exist were this a simple good-vs-evil story, and thus making the show and its characters significantly more interesting. But it seems like all everyone in Internet threads ever does is shout "gently caress CHUCK" over and over again, like the show's only or primary value is to be found in hate-watching Chuck and wishing for him to suffer, while uncritically cheering on a protagonist whose actions in service of this brotherly feud are becoming increasingly morally ambiguous. I'm not saying "gently caress CHUCK" isn't a part of the show, but "Chuck has a point despite being a dick" is IMO an equally large part of the show which is almost entirely overlooked in online fanbase discussion, I guess because it introduces complexity to the character and isn't as fun or easy as simply treating him as a weekly outlet for displaced feelings of resentment and anger incurred in real life?
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May 9, 2017 07:16
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That was some A+ TV right there. I know people say this show is slow paced, but this episode hit so hard because of all the time we've spent with Chuck and Jimmy. And I couldn't have been the only one who completely geeked out seeing my man Huell again.
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May 9, 2017 07:20
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Jimmy could have brought in that doctor who already punked Chuck by turning on the hospital bed.
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May 9, 2017 07:25
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FreeKillB posted:Was it even, really? Surely HHM shouldn't pull its punches to make an argument that it's better equipped to serve the interests of a client. It's on the Mesa Verde people as to whether or not they buy Chuck's argument or not. Even though Chuck clearly did it for the wrong reasons, he didn't do anything intrinsically untoward or deceitful. Exactly! There are two sides to the story, neither of them necessarily aligning completely with any notion of objective truth or morality. This is what makes the show so compelling. Chuck would probably argue that he did it because HHM is genuinely the better firm for Mesa Verde's needs, and that he has no obligation to whiff on a potential client just because his former employee wants the client in order to fund the private practice she's starting in loose association with his ne'er-do-well brother, who has no respect for the law and who will probably, in due course of time, bring her and all her clients crashing down into a morass of seedy shortcuts and flagrant illegality along with him.
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May 9, 2017 07:30
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May 9, 2017 07:37
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quote:Jimmy: Right, so with the lights out, you don’t feel them. The battery in Chuck’s pocket isn’t connected to anything. There is no flowing electric charge, no current. So Chuck really shouldn’t feel anything. All that proves is that Chuck knows nothing about electricity, but still. They should have replaced the exit signs with radioactive tritium versions for that wholesome EM‐free illumination. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 07:55 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 07:45
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Platystemon posted:The battery in Chuck’s pocket isn’t connected to anything. There is no flowing electric charge, no current. Which he'll realize NEXT EPISODE. Jimmy never completely fools Chuck; he fools everyone else.
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May 9, 2017 08:05
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PassTheRemote posted:You know what touch I liked, when Hamlin was on the witness stand talking about how Jimmy was not hired due to fear of nepotism, and Kim asking who the other Hamlin was. I swear I saw a smirk out of the side of Howard's mouth, like a "well played". Hamlin's relationships to everyone are actually really interesting. Chuck is the mentor and possibly surrogate father figure (we never see that older Hamlin around, ever). Maybe he got that partnership fast track due to Nepotism but Chuck was the one who saw his talent for the law, while everyone else just saw the tan and the smile. Now he's having to watch this guy lose his marbles and has to weigh keeping him happy and the reputation of the firm, and when the chips are down we all know it's got to be the firm first no matter how much Hamlin doesn't want it to be. With Jimmy we saw him constantly making GBS threads on him in S1, and then the reveal was that he's really doing that because that's what Chuck wants, and he would have been fine bringing him on with an associate and did respect him as Charlie Hustle. I saw it as more of a rival you kind of respect but also kind of hate deal, at least until he heard the tape. And with Kim I think it's the most complex one to read because he's been all over the map with her, and it's never been clear if throwing her into the grunt work tombs was his idea or Chuck's, and he did seem kind of proud of her when she went into private practice but resented her for going after Mesa Verde, when really he's to blame for keeping her in the tombs after she Kimmy Hustled the client over to them in the first place. I feel like he does have some level of actual animosity for Kim, but it's never been clear why and I'm hopeful there's a better reason than that he's just a misogynist or something along those lines. But again with so much of himself tied to Chuck he could just be doing what he think Chuck wants without even being told to. During the hearing I can totally buy that he respects the argument there, more than anyone on the show he seems like the kind of lawyer who would argue fiercely against his opposition and then want to go get a drink with them and talk shop. Gilligan has often said that if you could somehow combine Chuck and Jimmy you would have the perfect lawyer with a super good legal mind but also really good charisma and people skills, and I feel like Hamlin's the closest we see to that on the show right now. Kim was in that zone, but since she joined team Jimmy she's dipped too much toward that Jimmy side to really stay in perfect lawyer balance, which we caught a glimpse of when she was obsessing over whether to use a semicolon or a colon. But yeah, BCS is a drat good show where even like the 5th or 6th actor on the call sheet has real layers to them, and that's pretty cool. I hope Hamlin's actor gets more good roles after this, I can't remember seeing him in anything else. Give him the Jonathan Banks rocketship to at least guest starring in tons of stuff please!
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May 9, 2017 08:05
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I was watching Better Call Saul and suddenly it turned into hardcore pornography as I watched Chuck get mercilessly hosed  Amazing episode, amazing meltdown, Michael McKean is incredible. Just perfect.
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May 9, 2017 08:21
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Ingmar terdman posted:Jimmy could have brought in that doctor who already punked Chuck by turning on the hospital bed. Clea Duvall  I agree. Anyway, once again, I only watch the show on my pvr the next day, but can't help but read the thread in advance. Another testament to how goddamned good it is is that a) I need to experience it in any way possible, even vicariously through all if your posts, asap, and b) when I finally DO watch it, knowing what happens doesn't affect my experience negatively whatsoever. Can't wait to watch it all unfold.
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May 9, 2017 08:31
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In Chuck's rant, he mentioned the cash register from when they were kids, and remembering that whole thing just slew me. That's where it started, Jimmy stealing from the till, but Jimmy knows that most of the reason they actually went broke is that Dad was a huge sucker for a long series of conmen. And Jimmy never told Chuck that, so Chuck always thought that Jimmy literally robbed their dad to death, and that's still always weighed heavily in Chuck's evaluation of Jimmy's trustworthiness. And Jimmy did steal from the till. Just... drat.
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May 9, 2017 08:47
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Big Piece O poo poo posted:I haven't felt an ounce of compassion or pity for Chuck since the end of season 1. Am I doing this right?
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May 9, 2017 08:55
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May 9, 2017 09:38
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I need the "I AM NOT CRAZY" line as my ringtone. God drat. Now that's some TV right there.
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May 9, 2017 09:44
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HHM's image damaged. Chuck's credibility ruined. Rebecca finds out Chuck is mentally ill. Mesa Verde is now justified in leaving HHM for Kim. Jimmy walks free. All in one episode. God 
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May 9, 2017 09:56
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Hamlin taking a few seconds to compose himself would be the highlight of any other ep
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May 9, 2017 12:45
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TwoStepBoog posted:HHM's image damaged. It's like a season finale, halfway into the season!
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May 9, 2017 13:04
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That episode owned, owned, owned. Everyone expected Chuck to unravel but it was great watching it actually happen, Michael McKean plays his role perfectly. Fun Breaking Bad easter egg that I just found: when Hank gets attacked in season 3, his clock reads 3:08. The Whites live at 308 Negra Arroyo Lane. I love finding stuff like this after the fact.
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May 9, 2017 13:18
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Surely Chuck will accept that he needs to seek mental health treatment. Surely.
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May 9, 2017 13:20
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drunken officeparty posted:Wouldn't a battery not in anything not affect Chuck? It isn't actually doing anything electrical or creating a field. Like the wires in walls don't bother him if nothing is actively drawing power through them. He only winced at Mikes drill when he pulled the trigger. Maybe if he really had the illness, but Jimmy knew the score. Also, they have a nice little callback to the address tampering when Chuck gives Rebecca that story about address numbers in his bill-paying story--that is, while he's telling a lie that Jimmy advised him against.
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May 9, 2017 13:24
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Chadzok posted:Surely Chuck will accept that he needs to seek mental health treatment. Surely. Surely Walter will quit while he's ahead. Surely.
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May 9, 2017 13:34
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Zebulon posted:Holy poo poo that's like half the Huell he used to be. Yeah he's lost so much weight I wasn't 100% sure it was Huell at first.
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May 9, 2017 13:39
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Release the podcast drat you! I need more Saul! 
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May 9, 2017 13:55
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Here's a tip, if you're ever trying to prove you're not crazy, try to not shout out "I'M NOT CRAZY!". It might sound backwards I know but trust me it never helps.
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May 9, 2017 14:06
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TwoStepBoog posted:HHM's image damaged. As soon as Hamlin told Chuck he didn't have to testify, I was certain Chuck would pitch a fit on the stand. Hamlin's been the voice of reason this season IMHO. I think he also believes what Chuck did, but is pragmatic enough to realize that this is a clusterfuck.
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May 9, 2017 14:08
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What was the correct Mesa Verde address again?
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May 9, 2017 14:10
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Solice Kirsk posted:What was the correct Mesa Verde address again? 1261 Rosella Drive Scottsdale, AZ
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May 9, 2017 14:14
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So he really butchers it on the stand.
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May 9, 2017 14:16
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GobiasIndustries posted:
It goes from 3:07 to 3:08 too, and the clips at the end of episode 3x07.
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May 9, 2017 14:19
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NowonSA posted:I hope Hamlin's actor gets more good roles after this, I can't remember seeing him in anything else. Give him the Jonathan Banks rocketship to at least guest starring in tons of stuff please! Patrick Fabian is one of my favorite character actors. He mostly does TV work but has been in movies like The Exorcism of Emily Rose and that terrible Atlas Shrugged movie. His big role was playing Professor Lasky on Saved by the Bell: The College Years.
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May 9, 2017 14:33
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Blazing Ownager posted:It's like a season finale, halfway into the season!
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May 9, 2017 14:41
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It's so hard for me to watch McKean as a bad guy but goddamn he's amazing at it. What an episode.
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So was the "bingo" moment from last week that they knew Chuck wanted to play the tape, so they could use the defense of entrapment which Kim and Jimmy wouldn't normally be able to do?
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