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UZR IS BULLSHIT posted:loving I mean don't get me wrong, all indications are that Harvey's head is isn't in the game at the moment. Between the drinking, the skipping practice/prep work, and the in-season weight gain, it seems like Harvey doesn't really have much interest in putting in the off-field effort required to stay sharp. I'm sure that would frustrate the hell out of any manager, particularly when the Mets are in a position that they really need to be able to lean on Harvey to churn out some good games while 3/5ths of their rotation is dead. At the same time though the Mets handled the situation in a hilariously dumb way. The team sent security goons to his house to antagonize him like they're the loving Mafia and somehow nobody internally did a double take to think "hey maybe this isn't actually a smart idea!" Then they very publicly suspended him but refused to explain why, to the point that actual credible news outlets were wondering if it was connected to a dildo in the Mets locker room. And now that the truth has actually come out and is far less severe than the scenarios people imagined in absence of the truth, it makes it look like the Mets overreacted. If they'd just come out from the start and said "He was out drinking late which made him sick and as a result he didn't report" nobody would have batted an eye. At the end of the day, it also solved gently caress all. If the point of all this hardball was to intimidate or set Harvey straight, it clearly didn't work since he's not only appealing the suspension, but he claims the Mets are flat out lying about key bits of the story. And if the point of clamming up was to spare Harvey and/or the Mets embarrassment on the public stage they managed to achieve the complete and total opposite, so kudos.
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at calling pounding shots until 4 am and then missing practice on the day before you're scheduled to start "having a few drinks on your day off." Harvey was certainly supposed to be going over scouting reports and coming up with a game plan on Saturday, but he decided to be a manchild and blow off his responsibilities.
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UZR IS BULLSHIT posted:loving I think it's one of the those situations where both parties are being idiots. The Mets shouldn't be sending a security detail to interrogate the guy and attempt (maybe?) to keep him captive in his own home. Likewise, Harvey shouldn't be out getting shitfaced so badly that he couldn't be arsed to show up, despite playing golf earlier in the day.
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May 9, 2017 17:33
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Dexo posted:He's a goddamn professional athlete shouldn't he have access to a training staff with IV's and poo poo. The Mets have a training staff?
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May 9, 2017 17:37
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Hard to have much sympathy for someone who's almost 30, making $5 million a year while sucking and acting like a manchild. The Mets get me there though.
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May 9, 2017 17:46
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Goodpancakes posted:Vindicated for putting him on my hated baseball player list at the start of last season I was mad about it too me posted:What's to hate? The media in particular seems to hate Matt Harvey's nonexistent bad attitude. When he performs well and owns it, he's seen as arrogant. When he performs poorly and gets down on himself for it, he's seen as useless/overemotional/whatever else. Matt Harvey did nothing wrong and does not deserve to be on this list. 
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May 9, 2017 17:52
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How dare anyone show a personality. Or try to have fun. Or gods forbid, date someone.
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May 9, 2017 17:59
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iospace posted:How dare anyone show a personality. Hmm yes staying out drinking so late that you're unable to turn up to your job sure is "showing a personality" and "having fun". Don't get me wrong, I'm not completely blaming Harvey - since this has been rumored to have happened a few times now it's quite possible that he has a problem and this may well be the push he needs to get help for it - but to paint the Mets as suspending him just because they're killjoys is ridiculous.
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May 9, 2017 18:09
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:The Mets have a training staff? They tried leeching him to get the bad humors out of his blood but it didn't work. 
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Julio Cruz posted:Hmm yes staying out drinking so late that you're unable to turn up to your job sure is "showing a personality" and "having fun". That seems like a response to the previous post and nothing else. If I were a Mets fan I'd probably hate Harvey for insisting he pitch the 9th inning of game 5 in the 2015 world series. Sure I'd hate Collins more for letting it happen, but I'd probably hate Harvey too.
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Julio Cruz posted:Hmm yes staying out drinking so late that you're unable to turn up to your job sure is "showing a personality" and "having fun". It was a more general statement than anything, but yeah, this is a bit of a different situation given he was scheduled to pitch the next game (and other things). Also general statement: I'm just bitter with the whole unwritten rules of baseball bullshit.
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May 9, 2017 18:12
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Grittybeard posted:That seems like a response to the previous post and nothing else. At the end of the 8th he'd given up 1 walk, 4 hits, and struck out 9 on 102 pitches, and was coming off a 1-2-3 9-pitch 8th. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it was far from a clear-cut decision to pull him.
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May 9, 2017 18:18
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The unwritten rules of not showing up hungover to practice.
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iospace posted:How dare anyone show a personality. I'm like, a borderline Harvey apologist at this point, but you are making a disingenuous argument here. I defended him in the Meet The Teams thread, I've defended him in this thread, and I've defended him on Twitter, but if he seriously went out and got so drunk that he somehow got hungover despite being a professional athlete in the best shape of his life & knowing that water exists, how can I defend that? Hopefully all the reports are wrong and it really was just a migraine, but like...come on.
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The stuff I struggle with here: 1) Mets staff is completely loving incompetent at handling this. 2) Harvey isn't an everyday player, how loving hard is it to not drink the day before your start. You have like 4 other days to hit it why are you loving that part up.
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Goodpancakes posted:The stuff I struggle with here: 1) Mets staff is completely loving incompetent at handling this. 2) Harvey isn't an everyday player, how loving hard is it to not drink the day before your start. You have like 4 other days to hit it why are you loving that part up. He drank the day BEFORE the day before his first start. He was not scheduled to play on the day that he missed.
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May 9, 2017 18:23
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Julio Cruz posted:At the end of the 8th he'd given up 1 walk, 4 hits, and struck out 9 on 102 pitches, and was coming off a 1-2-3 9-pitch 8th. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it was far from a clear-cut decision to pull him. Wasn't it reported at the time that Collins had made the decision to go to Familia and Harvey went after him and wouldn't stop arguing until Terry gave up? At least I remember it being something more than a simple 'no I'm still good' conversation.
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May 9, 2017 18:23
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Whatever happened to the those carefree mischief makers I used to know. Like the '86 Mets, who destroyed airplanes and drank around the clock. If you have a hangover, that's what the cocaine is for. Someone get Kevin Mitchell on the Mets medical staff.
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Tom Gorman posted:If you have a hangover, that's what the cocaine is for. Someone get Kevin Mitchell on the Mets medical staff. Keith's still in the booth, all you have to do is send someone up during an ad break.
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The baseball reference facebook page points out the best things. Joe West - a big baby even 33 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIykgVoGVXc Also, this is me when I'm able to correctly guess their player of the day. 
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YeahTubaMike posted:I'm like, a borderline Harvey apologist at this point, but you are making a disingenuous argument here. I wasn't trying to be disingenuous, apologies for coming off as such. It's a giant pile of poo poo on both sides here. I think we can all agree on that. Tony Phillips posted:The baseball reference facebook page points out the best things. Why can't every umpire be Jim Joyce? 
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"Don't get mercilessly hammered if you have to go to work the next day" is now an unwritten rule.
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I'm sorry that the Mets now have the more talented baseball equivalent of Johnny Manziel.
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exploded mummy posted:I'm sorry that the Mets now have the more talented baseball equivalent of Johnny Manziel. Baseball has had plenty of Johnny Manziels. Here's where I plug Jon Bois's thing on Lonnie Smith again in case there's anyone left who hasn't seen it.
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"don't be so drunk you can't go to work the next day" is pretty much an unwritten rule of life. There's arguments for "don't steal bases when you're up by a lot in the late innings" or "don't disrespect your opponent" or whatever, but the drinking one is just common drat sense.
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Inspector_666 posted:NJ.com has some decent writers on their site, so why not read this wonderful listicle about potential trade targets for Matt Harvey. Also they call him the Millville Meteor again there. I love how years later that is said without irony and no one realizes it was a joke made up by SA.
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UZR IS BULLSHIT posted:loving If you think its appropriate for a billionaire owner to send a bunch of strong armed goons over to "check" on you when you called in sick, I don't know whats wrong with you. edit: I'm pretty surprised at how many ownership apologists there are this time in the thread. Not sure if its a lot of sour Mets fans or what. This is like chicken - n -beer gate all over again. I'm sure most people in this thread have stayed up too late playing video games and watching anime and you came into work not at 100%. It wasnt like he was doing coke off rear end in a top hat at 6am before a 1pm start. He wasn't even pitching that day. Although I remember the last few times the Red Sox have tried to publicly blackball and embarrass a teammate as he is run out of town, we defended the teammate, not the owners. We really have no idea if this is a regular occurrence for Harvey or a rare one. Maybe he has done this 1 or 2 in 5 years. Maybe its been three times this year, we really dont know . patonthebach fucked around with this message at 19:27 on May 9, 2017 |
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Poque posted:it seems possible that perhaps both sides are bad and stupid in this situation This seems to be the logical conclusion.
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Grittybeard posted:Baseball has had plenty of Johnny Manziels. God drat I love Pretty Good videos. The music, production, everything, just so on point.
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Inspector_666 posted:God drat I love Pretty Good videos. The music, production, everything, just so on point. Yeah, I've gotten my girlfriend on board for watching them as of late. Next up are 24 and The Dumbest Boy Alive
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Poque posted:it seems possible that perhaps both sides are bad and stupid in this situation Agreed absolutely
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UZR IS BULLSHIT posted:pounding shots until 4 am and then missing practice on the day before you're scheduled to start this was a stupid thing to do patonthebach posted:a billionaire owner to send a bunch of strong armed goons over to "check" on you when you called in sick this is a super gross thing to do hth
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I don't really care if Harvey missed practice or whatever but if it means some funny NYC tabloid headlines then I'm all for it
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Thanks to a cancellation, I've got a spare ticket to tonights Giants @ Mets game (7:10pm). Short notice, but anyone here want it? If you do, you're under no obligation to socialize with me or any of the other people I'm going with (obviously, I'm posting on SA). Not looking for any cash; I'd just rather it didn't go to waste. If so, let me know @ hubbardologist {at} gmail {dot} com and I can forward it on the ticket exchange. edit: ticket is in section 130.
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both sides are being dummies but like, my job and a professional athlete's job aren't remotely comparable? also is there any reason to suspect that the team didn't send the security dudes in order to see if harvey wasn't, like, dead? if i was totally unresponsive to communication all day the day before a big presentation and had a history of being a lovely flake i would think my boss would at least text or call my wife, at the very least to see if I hadn't been hit by a car or something--and I'm not a millionaire key part of a pro sports team
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Waffles Inc. posted:also is there any reason to suspect that the team didn't send the security dudes in order to see if harvey wasn't, like, dead? I'd think if they were worried about that they'd send someone with medical experience. ... But since it's the Mets they might have decided it was safer to send security instead of their medical team 
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Yeah, back when suggesting he was the second coming of Mantle was an exaggeration, as opposed to an understatement.
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MrMojok posted:the "Millville Meteor" nick originated here?!?! http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/8392192/los-angeles-angels-centerfielder-mike-trout-phenom-last-espn-magazine ESPN posted:IN THE FORUMS pages of SomethingAwful.com, a 24-year-old who calls himself Weed Mouse is getting tired of the Trout hype. So on June 27, he decides to change the conversation. "I made a remark that this season is only his floor if he is Mickey Mantle," says Mouse, a recent college graduate in St. Louis. It's too early to say, he argues, but still Mouse dubs Trout the Millville Meteor, a play on the Commerce Comet, Mantle's hometown-inspired nickname. "I am a bit of a fan of the old-timey baseball nicknames: Splendid Splinter, Georgia Peach, the Freshest Man on Earth, etc.," he says. "They are certainly better than lazy garbage like A-Rod and Han-Ram. Getting to troll massive amounts of people is just a bonus."
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Grittybeard posted:I'd think if they were worried about that they'd send someone with medical experience. Maybe they wanted to see if he went boating the night before
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