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sleepwalkers
Dec 7, 2008


The Duggler posted:

Also just saying the phrase Okay Google is very awkward

My broken mouth will inevitably slur the hard K and G together. It's why I like that the Home allows you to say "hey Google" instead.

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Super-NintendoUser
Jan 16, 2004

COWABUNGERDER COMPADRES
Soiled Meat

sleepwalkers posted:

My broken mouth will inevitably slur the hard K and G together. It's why I like that the Home allows you to say "hey Google" instead.

I think "Hey Google" is so much better. My Google Home is fantastic, it can even get my two year old telling it to play "Everything is Awesome", which in itself isn't very awesome, but cool that it works.

CheddarGoblin
Jan 12, 2005
oh
My pixel also doesn't have any audible cue that assistant is listening. I say "ok google" (with screen on or off) and it comes up with the "hi, how can i help?" screen. Silently.

also n'thing that "ok google" is a very awkward phrase to say, especailly when you have to keep loving repeating it because you have no idea if the phone is listening or not.

Colt Cannon
Aug 11, 2000

I get an audio cue on my Pixel XL, so I am not sure if mine is weird, or everyone elses.


I also find, that if I speak clearly, and at a normal volume, it works fine. I might just have a loud voice tho.

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

Colt Cannon posted:

I get an audio cue on my Pixel XL, so I am not sure if mine is weird, or everyone elses.

This came up before and I think we concluded that they were a/b testing something

Tunga
May 7, 2004

Grimey Drawer

FAUXTON posted:

Spaceplan is a great game, if anyone is looking for a good use of a few surveybux. Haven't enjoyed something this much since, oh I don't know, Monument Valley.
I got partway through it and then it received a "bug fix" update and now the game just shows a black screen on launch. Didn't really want to reset data on it but dev has been silent to the reviews reporting it. So now I just want a refund really.

Mr Executive
Aug 27, 2006
FYI, assistant on the Pixel won't make an audible chirp when it's listening if your media volume is muted. I cast most of my music/tv/etc, so I didn't realize my media volume was muted for a long time and it was annoying.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

You'll be sorry you made fun of me when Daddy Donald jails all my posting enemies!
The worst part of voice prompts for me is saying "ok google", getting the "ping" that its listening, saying a command, and getting back the "we didn't hear anything, did you say something?" prompt. Because wtf. Its a running joke between me and my gf now.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Yes, that is the worst.

It works well enough, often enough, that I continue to use it, but there are definitely WTF moments.

Cable
Dec 20, 2005

it'll come like a wind.
I got an iPhone 6 from my company and haven't used my MXP in a while. I've updated everything and it feels much slower and less responsive than when I left it on a shelf 4 months ago. Can I expect any improvement from doing a factory reset? Or is this just the iPhone effect that has won me over?

EDIT: The two things that bother me the most are a slow scroll on instagram/gallery and a subtle, but unbearable, keyboard lag.

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

A factory reset will likely help to some extent but it's def not going to be as fluid as the iPhone

fartzone_42069
Oct 11, 2009

A bit of research has been done. This Google AMP Project poo poo is supposed to help load bloated pages on lovely connections. They also say there's no way to turn it off. I don't believe that. Goons have likely found a way. I could switch browsers I guess but I like my porn being automatically coordinated among my devices. Like any self-respecting goon.

I'm still not over them disabling the feature of browser "tabs" and open apps being displayed all together when I hit the Recents key. I loved that. :smith: Any fix there by the way?

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

Amp is good, embrace it

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Amp really is great.

With regards to voice commands on Assistant, I just disabled the voice controls on the phone because it was so inconsistent (though I always get the listening "bloop") but Home always works perfectly for me. Home listens less well for my girlfriend and she asks her Pixel things just to see how wrong it's going to get it (though she also always gets the bloop).

fartzone_42069
Oct 11, 2009

Blue Train posted:

Amp is good, embrace it

Maybe I'll click around some more. It seems sending a link to something is a bit more arduous. But the URL being Google.com/www.pornbutts.org or whatever still seems clickable and loadable for people.

But for reals. If I could just get my individual web page tabs and open apps all together when I press the Recent button. That would be cool. I know they did away with that a few Android updates ago. I know Android ain't perfect, but what good reason was there to eliminate that feature?

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

fartzone_42069 posted:

Maybe I'll click around some more. It seems sending a link to something is a bit more arduous. But the URL being Google.com/www.pornbutts.org or whatever still seems clickable and loadable for people.

But for reals. If I could just get my individual web page tabs and open apps all together when I press the Recent button. That would be cool. I know they did away with that a few Android updates ago. I know Android ain't perfect, but what good reason was there to eliminate that feature?

On Android at least, there is a banner at the top of the page that has a shortcut to the actual link. I used it less than an hour ago.

The reason for getting rid of the merged tabs/apps recents was that the tabs bloated the list to uselessness. That said, I'd prefer that over the current Nougat behavior of like maybe five apps.

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

I also miss the chrome tabs in recents but I fully understand why they removed it

fartzone_42069
Oct 11, 2009

I don't. Regarding the last two posts. Sure it can bloat stuff. But it had an option to turn it off. Just seems silly to eliminate vs keep it optional like they had.

And I see how that link works. One extra click in my busy day. Buying an Amazon phone now

Skinnymansbeerbelly
Apr 1, 2010
I've got an original Nexus 5, and after 3 years the battery is nearly toast. From a basic search, it looks like replacing the battery is possible. Is there such a thing as a reputable aftermarket battery supplier for this sucker? Amazon reviews are extremely mixed. I know it's ancient, but I'd really just like to limp along until the Pixel 2 comes out, whenever that is.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

fartzone_42069 posted:

Just seems silly to eliminate vs keep it optional like they had.

Presumably they had numbers on how many were using it versus how many weren't and made the decision with those figures in mind but honestly I feel like that is giving Google a little too much credit.

I can't remember what the default state was but I do know it was so annoying after a week or so that I purposely turned it off. If a significant number of others did the same it might also show that it wasn't well received.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!
It was a potentially good feature and I hope they find a better way to implement it. As it was, it definitely led to a bloating issue, especially since it was right around the same time they were really pushing people to pay attention to the multitasking feature.

I simultaneously like having a few tabs persistently accessible but wouldn't want them to show as separate processes... Except when I do. Like, sometimes I use mobile Chrome the same way I use desktop Chrome and other times I totally don't. I sense there must be a better way of handling this, but I'm not entirely sure what it is.

And that's not even getting into the whole mess of where stuff goes when you access it from one of the many search UIs...

Desk Lamp
Jun 30, 2014
That could be one way to implement force touch on a future Pixel device: force touch the Chrome card and it splits into individual tabs, maybe force touching the Gmail card could split it into a shortcut for composing new emails to the left and a list of your folders to the right and so on.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Desk Lamp posted:

That could be one way to implement force touch on a future Pixel device: force touch the Chrome card and it splits into individual tabs, maybe force touching the Gmail card could split it into a shortcut for composing new emails to the left and a list of your folders to the right and so on.

There are already launcher shortcuts that work that are essentially worthless. So while you're right it could be done, it would in reality be long-press Chrome, get the last five advertising popups that were blocked. Long press GMail, get the last five unsent drafts, etc.

Desk Lamp
Jun 30, 2014

LastInLine posted:

There are already launcher shortcuts that work that are essentially worthless. So while you're right it could be done, it would in reality be long-press Chrome, get the last five advertising popups that were blocked. Long press GMail, get the last five unsent drafts, etc.

I was envisioning it working in the recent apps menu, and only showing tabs you had open and the like. It would heavily depend on Google not loving it up though so you're probably right, they'd implement a half assed version nobody likes and by the next Android version it'll be gone rather than tweaked.

fartzone_42069
Oct 11, 2009

LastInLine posted:

wasn't well received.

By whom?? It was so perfect to have everything all together like that. But like you said, you could just turn it off. I would have campaigned harder. I always have a bunch of tabs open and it takes a few milliseconds of clunkiness to switch to the tab I want. Which obviously is sound reasoning to be irate!

sourdough
Apr 30, 2012

fartzone_42069 posted:

By whom?? It was so perfect to have everything all together like that. But like you said, you could just turn it off. I would have campaigned harder. I always have a bunch of tabs open and it takes a few milliseconds of clunkiness to switch to the tab I want. Which obviously is sound reasoning to be irate!

If you had a bunch of tabs open, using the app switcher to switch between apps was a nightmare. Switching between Chrome tabs is already its own thing within Chrome, combining tab with apps just made multitasking with anything else shittier.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell


It was widely criticized all over.

Apparently, some portion of people in significant enough numbers for Google to listen to, keep enough tabs open to completely swamp the apps you want to switch between.

I understand the motivation of the feature. In the ideal world web pages and apps are equivalent. Unfortunately, the way we think about web pages and the way they're implemented just isn't similar enough for that to be a seamless transition.

Google is trying to move us more in this direction with their guidelines for web pages, and stuff like their Instant Apps, but we're not there yet.

spincube
Jan 31, 2006

I spent :10bux: so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.
Grimey Drawer
In one corner: those horrible people who can't possibly bear to close any of the hundreds of tabs they have open at once

...and in the other corner: some other, just as horrible people who have self-conditioned their brains to release dopamine when swiping things away from lists

FIGHT

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

spincube posted:

In one corner: those horrible people who can't possibly bear to close any of the hundreds of tabs they have open at once

...and in the other corner: some other, just as horrible people who have self-conditioned their brains to release dopamine when swiping things away from lists

FIGHT

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010

:science:
Soiled Meat
Any reason why I would want to get a regular Pixel instead of the XL, if price isn't an issue? Leaning towards getting a Pixel XL to replace my four-year old Galaxy S4, I know the only difference is size and battery life but the former doesn't bother me and the latter will help when it takes me another three or four years to replace my phone again.

And I definitely want the 128 GB version, right? 32 seems like it would fill up really fast, especially now that I'll be able to download current apps again.

Vykk.Draygo
Jan 17, 2004

I say salesmen and women of the world unite!

C-Euro posted:

Any reason why I would want to get a regular Pixel instead of the XL, if price isn't an issue? Leaning towards getting a Pixel XL to replace my four-year old Galaxy S4, I know the only difference is size and battery life but the former doesn't bother me and the latter will help when it takes me another three or four years to replace my phone again.

And I definitely want the 128 GB version, right? 32 seems like it would fill up really fast, especially now that I'll be able to download current apps again.

Get the regular Pixel if you have itty bitty baby fingers, and get the XL if you're a respectable adult.

As for storage, 32 really doesn't fill up that fast unless you're putting a bunch of anime on it or you just have to have every album you've ever downloaded with you at all times. I've got a ton of apps and a couple dozen albums and I'm not close to filling up 32gb. If money isn't an issue, then you'd might as well go for the more storage though.

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010

:science:
Soiled Meat

Vykk.Draygo posted:

Get the regular Pixel if you have itty bitty baby fingers, and get the XL if you're a respectable adult.

As for storage, 32 really doesn't fill up that fast unless you're putting a bunch of anime on it or you just have to have every album you've ever downloaded with you at all times. I've got a ton of apps and a couple dozen albums and I'm not close to filling up 32gb. If money isn't an issue, then you'd might as well go for the more storage though.

At $5/month extra on my plan it's not a big deal, no.

Also, what's the best way to make sure everything gets properly transferred from one phone to the next? I'm sure the phone store will get all of my contacts/~accounts~ transferred to the new device, and my Google Play account will let me download all the apps I have on the old device, but what if I want to get app-specific settings or data from the old phone to the new one (such as a list of subscriptions in a podcast client)? Can I just install the app on my new phone, then take a certain file from the old phone to the new one?

Aeka 2.0
Nov 16, 2000

:ohdear: Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.




Dinosaur Gum
The virtual buttons seem to take a good chunk of actual screen, so get the XL.

That said I love my XL. Best thing since ridding myself of Samsung and Touchwiz.


Now my wife wouldn't listen to me and get an XL like me, and she came home with an 8 plus for herself. I've looked it over, they returned to plastic backing, and I'm not to sure how I feel about the curved screen. But man I forgot how much I hated Touchwiz. I tried doing her the favor of downloading a different theme/home screen, but it was an ad filled mess. Any good Touchwiz replacement? One that won't piss her off?

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

Action launcher and Nova launcher are both good

Mental Hospitality
Jan 5, 2011

Blue Train posted:

Action launcher and Nova launcher are both good

I bought Nova Launcher when it was on sale for $0.99 a while back. Probably the best purchase I've ever made (Huawei phone).

It doesn't replace the iOS looking settings menus, but those in themselves aren't terrible, they're just....not Androidy.

Helter Skelter
Feb 10, 2004

BEARD OF HAVOC

Yeah, grab Nova Launcher. If the extra features sound neat/useful, spring for the paid version.

sleepwalkers
Dec 7, 2008


Does anyone know the reason behind third-party launchers not being able to swipe for Google Now?

thebushcommander
Apr 16, 2004
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sleepwalkers posted:

Does anyone know the reason behind third-party launchers not being able to swipe for Google Now?

I don't now of a specific reason other than Google Now was an "app" baked into the Google Now Launcher and now pixel launcher etc. I am guessing third party launcher devs just don't want to include it or aren't allowed maybe?

datajosh
May 3, 2002

I had the realization these aren't my problem!

thebushcommander posted:

I don't now of a specific reason other than Google Now was an "app" baked into the Google Now Launcher and now pixel launcher etc. I am guessing third party launcher devs just don't want to include it or aren't allowed maybe?
The API is only open to system apps so it has to be added to OEM launchers or you'll need root for third party launchers and, even then, the launcher would need to be installed as a system app so I believe most don't support it.

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Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

datajosh posted:

The API is only open to system apps so it has to be added to OEM launchers or you'll need root for third party launchers and, even then, the launcher would need to be installed as a system app so I believe most don't support it.

Action launcher is the only one I can think of that does, but requires root and being installed on the system partition as stated

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