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bamhand posted:I mean I figured I should just sell broken weapons that I couldn't repair for money. That seemed like a reasonable thing to do. Apparently I arbitrarily chose the wrong choice and now I'm hosed. I suspect you're trolling now but it's pretty obvious that the point of all my posts is that there are multiple ways to play, and you're making everything binary. You shouldn't be playing open world games/games with multiple options if you can't handle that you're lovely at some things. You're not playing wrong, you're thinking wrong, and you're probably poo poo at this game. You should drop it.
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deadly_pudding posted:It's been a cute troll, but you just tipped your hand. Sorry you can't be bothered with games more complex than Super Mario Bros. Yes, games have tutorials because no one wants to read a manual. So you should present the relevant information needed to play your game in the tutorial. Not bury it in a manual. I don't think that's an unreasonable request. Morter posted:I suspect you're trolling now but it's pretty obvious that the point of all my posts is that there are multiple ways to play, and you're making everything binary. You shouldn't be playing open world games/games with multiple options if you can't handle that you're lovely at some things. It's not multiple ways to play the game if one of them clearly doesn't work. A bunch of people have pointed out that melee is garbage until much later on. If you can put your hate toward my stupidity aside, why do you think it's good design to have the game offer you a bunch of pipes when you're starting out if you're not meant to go around clubbing people in the head? It's just actively misleading you. bamhand fucked around with this message at 14:54 on May 10, 2017 |
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bamhand posted:I mean I figured I should just sell broken weapons that I couldn't repair for money. That seemed like a reasonable thing to do. Apparently I arbitrarily chose the wrong choice and now I'm hosed. Because at first you're weak and you have poo poo weapons. This changes quickly as you gain experience because the game seems to scale loot to your overall level. You get a few recipes for improved versions of starter weapons, so try crafting those. It'll still take a while, but it'll be a little bit more manageable. A good way to gain some combat experience is to do the combat trials which seem to be decoupled from whatever difficulty level you might be playing, and give good rewards. They're also incredibly satisfying to do, except for El Jeffe who has some rather challenging ones (although they teach you a few useful things about the game). If you really need a good weapon, try doing the Stadium. It gives you tokens every few trials which you can exchange for good weapons. You don't need to play with others despite what the game is saying.
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Macarius Wrench posted:Wow, how do you manage to never play a Pokemon game, is that a conscious decision? I think it's funny when people are talking about walking simulators being non-games because to me the non-games have always been Pokemon. RPS with a walking around to get new rocks minigame, woooooo. (Yes this is a gross oversimplification, no I don't care about how deep it really is, stop typing.)
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When I feel the way this dude is feeling I put the game down to Easy and have a good time.
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SinineSiil posted:I'm pretty sure I went for headshots, but I played more than year ago so I'm not 100% sure. bamhand posted:So I have no doubt Dying Light gets better later on but this early game just reeks of awful game design. I had to kill three zombies for the quest objective and my brand new weapon broke before I killed a single one. bamhand posted:Yeah I'm level 2 or something and don't have any ranged weapons or molotovs. I think the solution is I need to ignore quests and grind xp until I can face stomp people or something. You are hitting up the quartermasters every day for some weapons and crafting materials, right? White quality weapons, but every little bit helps in the early game. I think you start with recipes to upgrade starting weapons into entirely new weapons, if you can find a green wrench and the materials for it I recommend making the one that needs a wrench.
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The game tells you that you can repair weapons. When you go to repair the weapon you should also see the option to scrap it. That's how I figured it out. There are also weapons everywhere. Everywhere. My biggest complaint about the weapons was in fact that they are so loving everywhere and so fragile that you essentially place no value in them because you're just going to whack poo poo a couple times then scrap and replace it with whatever random thing you tripped over last. The zombies take too much damage early on for sure. I think this was patched to be that way because people were just kicking zombies to death, but they went too far for the early game and probably should have had different tiers of standard zombies to smooth it out. But your I don't have any weapons and the game didn't tell me literally everything complaints are kinda dumb to double down on now that people have filled you in. Also the real most annoying thing in that game is the zombies constantly grabbing at you and forcing you into that stupid QTE.
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Orv posted:I think it's funny when people are talking about walking simulators being non-games because to me the non-games have always been Pokemon. RPS with a walking around to get new rocks minigame, woooooo. Rock, paper, scissors is a game though
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Say, I realized I never did play the "The Following" thing, how is that? Is it more parkouring zombies to death goodness?
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MMF Freeway posted:Rock, paper, scissors is a game though The sense I get when people rag on poo poo like Gone Home and Dear Esther and whatever else, is that regardless of their merit as storytelling devices or whatever, when people say they're not games what they really mean is "I have a complete lack of interest in this medium/game and therefor it isn't _____". That's what I mean. Obviously both RPS and Pokemon are games, but I look at Pokemon and I couldn't think of a less entertaining way to spend my time.
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Orv posted:I think it's funny when people are talking about walking simulators being non-games because to me the non-games have always been Pokemon. RPS with a walking around to get new rocks minigame, woooooo. So a game where you literally cannot mechanically interact with anything is somehow more of a game than a game where you can mechanically interact with things?
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bamhand posted:Yes, games have tutorials because no one wants to read a manual. So you should present the relevant information needed to play your game in the tutorial. Not bury it in a manual. I don't think that's an unreasonable request. And I'm trying to explain to you that you are just describing "reading the manual" except sometimes there's voice acting.
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I'd be less on top of this guy if he didn't admit that he wants a full-on tutorial sequence. But even if he suggests that the game fails to teach through design, which is possible for some of the deeper subsystems, most people would be able to figure out by the third death or so that the game is trying its best to teach you that "beating zombies to death" is not part of your early-game toolbox.
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Yami Fenrir posted:So a game where you literally cannot mechanically interact with anything is somehow more of a game than a game where you can mechanically interact with things? It's just a hot take, I don't think you're getting much more out of it. As for series I think everyone played, probably one of local popular "sport game" (I'd say PES/Fifa but I know Americans can't enjoy sports they suck at and in that case it's probably Madden), Mario, Street Fighter and I'd actually put The Sims in that list even if you just did it for half an hour once.
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I mean, I never looked up what to do in Dying Light and I got like halfway through the story before I got bored. Mostly because it just kept unfolding into fetch quests upon fetch quests. And I never had trouble with killing zombies except maybe the first big bruiser guy? Like, I'm not good at video games but you definitely do not need to read a manual and powerlevel to play Dying Light properly.
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Dias posted:It's just a hot take, I don't think you're getting much more out of it. I posted an actual explanation of my pithy joke.
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Walking simulators are great things for your gran who is scared of real videogames to play!
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Zereth posted:Say, I realized I never did play the "The Following" thing, how is that? Is it more parkouring zombies to death goodness? It actually isn't. The map is a wide-open countryside instead of a big city, so your cool parkour abilities are mostly useless. You get a dune buggy to get around, but I hated it because it was always breaking down or running out of gas. It felt like it had all the same problems as early melee weapons, and this time you've got no alternatives. Some of the late-game driving skills sounded neat but I couldn't stick with it to find out. I liked the new crossbow, and it was fun to just bomb around open fields running dozens of zombies over. I'll give it that. Hwurmp fucked around with this message at 15:18 on May 10, 2017 |
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Orv posted:I posted an actual explanation of my pithy joke. I know, I know. Apropos of nothing, I noticed Pokémon has a pretty hard generational divide that doesn't quite match other cultural phenomenons. I find a lot of people around their mid 30s legit don't know poo poo about it and never played the games, while everyone around 18-30 was at least aware enough of it, even if otherwise both groups enjoy similar things in pop culture. For something as massive as Pokémon, I think that's pretty interesting.
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bamhand posted:Yes, games have tutorials because no one wants to read a manual. So you should present the relevant information needed to play your game in the tutorial. Not bury it in a manual. I don't think that's an unreasonable request. there aren't multiple ways to play the game if my way doesn't work
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Dias posted:I know, I know. As a cultural phenomenon, Pokemon was, in my experience, very quickly established as "kid stuff for babbies", and as a middle-schooler my social circle were on the upper end of age ranges for people in my town to get super into the first game and then stay that way. It doesn't really surprise me that people like 4 years older than me basically ignored it.
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Really Pants posted:It actually isn't. The map is a wide-open countryside instead of a big city, so your cool parkour abilities are mostly useless. You get a dune buggy to get around, but I hated it because it was always breaking down or running out of gas. It felt like it had all the same problems as early melee weapons, and this time you've got no alternatives. Some of the late-game driving skills sounded neat but I couldn't stick with it to find out. I... hm. That doesn't sound as appealing but I already started reinstalling it. I guess I'll give it a shot later, I can always just uninstall it again. Doesn't sound like the buggy has the sheer fun of the "BYE LOSERS" shenanigans you can get up to with the grappling hook. Nice avatar by the way.
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deadly_pudding posted:As a cultural phenomenon, Pokemon was, in my experience, very quickly established as "kid stuff for babbies", and as a middle-schooler my social circle were on the upper end of age ranges for people in my town to get super into the first game and then stay that way. It doesn't really surprise me that people like 4 years older than me basically ignored it. Yeah, I think it hit right when Cool Teen Stuff was edgy as gently caress too, so a game about raising cute animals to have battles with not a lot of consequences probably got actively ignored by that crowd.
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credburn posted:If your sample is the entire world, then maybe. As for a games thread (even if it is PC-focused) I think almost everybody here has played both of them, and maybe everyone has at least played one. I haven't played either series 
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There are probably more people on Earth who have played Tetris in some iteration than Pokemon.
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Hollenhammer posted:Well yeah but Ezio doesn't sound like Drake from Uncharted in those games...... right? The Dying Light guy is Ezio. 
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Zereth posted:I... hm. That doesn't sound as appealing but I already started reinstalling it. I guess I'll give it a shot later, I can always just uninstall it again. Doesn't sound like the buggy has the sheer fun of the "BYE LOSERS" shenanigans you can get up to with the grappling hook. Yeah, they largely forego the parkour stuff in favor of driving. This might seem an odd choice, but I feel that they probably decided that people would have had their fill of parkour by the time they moved onto The Following and wanted to give players something new to do. Much like weapons and combat in the base game, the buggy sucks rear end and is pretty unfun to drive early on but becomes a death machine once you unlock some of the better skills and parts upgrades. I ended up enjoying it a lot, not quite as much as the base game but still a fun time. The Following includes a few named optional "super boss" enemies and volatile hives, if that piques your interest.
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The buggies own, I don't think I ever ran out of fuel since it's everywhere. (aim at the gas caps on any car you see)
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https://twitter.com/sega/status/862322628534689792 Smoke em if you got em, everyone.
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Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOp4XLA0oPk http://store.steampowered.com/app/460810
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25% off if you own Bayonetta, that's pretty great
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Congrats everybody. Fun game.
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Oh wow, that's the first gameplay I've seen of the game. That looks pretty nuts, digging that music too.
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So everybody remembers when Revengeance came out and everybody was like "Yeah but... a Metal Gear game?" and then you all played it and it was rad as gently caress? Revengeance wishes it could be as rad as Vanquish. Play Vanquish.
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^^^ - I don't know how you did it, but your opinions are reversed. Revengeance is better than vanquish. Vanquish was like Halo on consoles - great because it was a console game. The Saints Row developers are making a bamhand posted:Requiring a player to read a manual before playing is also poor game design. Now you're just loving trolling, get out of here with that poo poo. Watch a youtube video of someone playing the beginning part and figure it out or uninstall the game since it might not be the type of thing you like. Drifter fucked around with this message at 16:19 on May 10, 2017 |
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Boxman posted:https://twitter.com/sega/status/862322628534689792 Yes. YES. YES.
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Drifter posted:^^^ - I don't know how you did it, but your opinions are reversed. Revengeance is better than vanquish. Vanquish was like Halo on consoles - great because it was a console game. You're literally insane.
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Orv posted:You're literally insane. *smokes cigarette* *smokes cigarette* *smokes cigarette* *smokes cigarette* *smokes cigarette* *slides around*
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