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signalnoise posted:One of my friends plays Sylvanas almost exclusively and he just runs around taking 10+ merc camps per game. We win more often than not due to minion waves that the enemy team is forced to deal with. Pushing lanes is cool but she does much better enabling another team member than pushing it over all by herself in my opinion. That sounds insufferable. Sylv is one of the slower merc camp killers and there are better choices for doing that.
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May 10, 2017 15:18
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Sylv is a terrible split pusher / solo laner / jungler
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May 10, 2017 15:36
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You talking about specifically at lower levels, or what? He clears them pretty rapidly once he gets started around like level 5 or so. I mean he still does the initial lane phase. But out of curiosity who would you suggest to do the same job but better? Sylvanas is pretty well-suited to it I think because she has a good getaway tool and can help out in a teamfight from a pretty long engage range. Note I'm being sincere, this is not my area of expertise or major interest.
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May 10, 2017 15:38
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Gaz, Murk, Rexx, and BW are the best camp takers imo. Sylv's trait letting you get mercs without damage is tempting, I know, but it takes her a while to do it. Time that could be spent in lane amplifying a push.
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May 10, 2017 15:38
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Bogart posted:Gaz, Murk, Rexx, and BW are the best camp takers imo. Sylv's trait letting you get mercs without damage is tempting, I know, but it takes her a while to do it. Time that could be spent in lane amplifying a push. Sylv should probably be with at least one other person at all times, since she lacks the damage to capitalize on her trait.
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May 10, 2017 15:42
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Sylv isn't terrible at taking a merc camp if the opportunity presents itself but she contributes a lot more to groups. Like she has one of the best and safest initiators in the game, a teamwide debuff in Shadow Dagger, and she's slippery if you get dived.
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May 10, 2017 15:44
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Illidan and Samuro can also take camps really easily. Samuro can aggressively try for enemy camps because he's super slippery if they show up.
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May 10, 2017 15:45
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Samuro is king poo poo of taking camps. You can solo bosses if you're good and have the right build by 16, it's insane.
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May 10, 2017 15:50
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Orthodox Rabbit posted:Illidan and Samuro can also take camps really easily. Samuro can aggressively try for enemy camps because he's super slippery if they show up. Sonya too is a great camp taker. Just remember pre-10 its not worth it to lose soak to take a camp.
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May 10, 2017 15:50
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Fuzz posted:Samuro is king poo poo of taking camps. You can solo bosses if you're good and have the right build by 16, it's insane. Yesss, this is what I want. Guess I'll have to save for him
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May 10, 2017 15:54
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Nephzinho posted:Sonya too is a great camp taker. Just remember pre-10 its not worth it to lose soak to take a camp. Depends somewhat on the camp imo. If I have to choose between grabbing siege camp on Cursed Hollow at 2:30 or soaking an extra minion wave I'm bailing out without a second thought. Hopefully someone will cover though.
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May 10, 2017 15:57
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TLV can take camps and soak simultaneously so checkmate 
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May 10, 2017 15:57
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I still think Stealth Erik at level 1 is underappreciated for completely safe soakin' while the actual damage of the Vikings double up in another lane.
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May 10, 2017 16:02
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Fishy Deal Murky is merc king
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May 10, 2017 16:10
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Fuzz posted:I only just started using him, but this has been working well... hinges entirely on if they're using stealth: I don't know his talents by name again yet, so I'll have to get home from work to know exactly you're saying. But yeah it feels like azmo laser. Just hit the melee guy that has to go in and it'll kill him eventually. It is worse at killing but a constant slow on a melee guy is brutal. Thanks for the advice.
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May 10, 2017 16:13
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Fuzz posted:Samuro is king poo poo of taking camps. You can solo bosses if you're good and have the right build by 16, it's insane. Can rexxar still solo bosses at 10/12?
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May 10, 2017 16:15
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Can rexxar still solo bosses at 10/12? Not really. They changed the Misha talent that made it really easy to do.
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May 10, 2017 16:16
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Nephzinho posted:Sonya too is a great camp taker. Just remember pre-10 its not worth it to lose soak to take a camp. Unless you can get far-away camps right before objectives, like siege camps at 2:00 on Cursed Hollow or bruiser camps at 4:30 on Sky Temple (assuming both temples were finished with no delays) Not sure how to make these gifs, but here you go, D.Va play by McIntyre: https://gfycat.com/JoyousWhirlwindBabirusa Bonus: dat rear end too fat https://gfycat.com/FrenchUniqueEsok
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May 10, 2017 16:25
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Gustav posted:Depends somewhat on the camp imo. If I have to choose between grabbing siege camp on Cursed Hollow at 2:30 or soaking an extra minion wave I'm bailing out without a second thought. Hopefully someone will cover though. Yeah, ideally in that spot though someone on your team picks up the soak and you're not even choosing. See also: bruisers on the 2nd temple.
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May 10, 2017 16:29
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Random question but from playing DotA I've just been assuming the answer is yes: can enemy towers/forts see through stealth?
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May 10, 2017 16:42
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IcePhoenix posted:Random question but from playing DotA I've just been assuming the answer is yes: can enemy towers/forts see through stealth? Nope!
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May 10, 2017 16:43
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To expand on what I said last night, the reason Varian is a bad design is because, ironically, there is no actual variety in how he plays. He is incredibly gimped before level 10, and all three of his paths have no internal variety. Varian is three noncustomizable heroes in one, instead of one hero with several different variations. This means that he's almost always going to be picked for the best 'hero' (which right now is Taunt-Varian) and Taunt-Varian plays the exact same way every single time. I really wanted to like him since I played Warrior for several years in WoW but he's just really dull to actually play.
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May 10, 2017 16:43
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Orthodox Rabbit posted:Nope! But the core can! If you're in range to be damaged by the core, it can target you (it prioritizes summons/minions/mercs first though) but more importantly you will be revealed to enemies. Core range is indicated by a seemingly aesthetic circle around the core. Splash damage is a little beyond that.
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May 10, 2017 16:48
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Except for the core hots has the weakest buildings of mobas
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May 10, 2017 16:55
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IcePhoenix posted:Are pushers like Xul and Sylvanas good in ranked if I just want to spend the whole game being an rear end in a top hat that focuses on pushing lanes where everyone isn't? Or is that mainly a QM thing that's been working for me because I'm with a coordinated goon team? If you really want to spend most of your time in a lane by yourself you can play Abathur. You won't even really have to move, and you can be at all the teamfights. It's a win-win. Just make sure you slap the core. Edit: I enjoy playing Abathur but I never know if I'm being effective. I watch Grubby play Abathur and he's pretty great at him.
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May 10, 2017 16:56
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PureRok posted:If you really want to spend most of your time in a lane by yourself you can play Abathur. You won't even really have to move, and you can be at all the teamfights. It's a win-win. You have to move a lot as Abathur to effectively soak without dying.
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May 10, 2017 16:57
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Nephzinho posted:You have to move a lot as Abathur to effectively soak without dying. Eh, your hat can soak for you.
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May 10, 2017 16:57
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PureRok posted:Eh, your hat can soak for you. But then you're not soaking while you're hatting teammates.
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May 10, 2017 16:58
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Yeah if you're not displaying godlike map awareness and soaking multiple lanes at all times it's hard to justify playing TLV or abathur. I wish TLV had a viable gang up build, they're fun to micro in a team fight but managing things across map is a nightmare for me. Unless those talents got better while I was away
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May 10, 2017 17:05
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Slug body can soak. Hat can soak. Mines can soak if they get last hit. There's no reason to not keep moving as Abathur, if only to make the trail of locusts less of a "stealth heroes come here" arrow.
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May 10, 2017 17:06
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Bogart posted:Slug body can soak. Hat can soak. Mines can soak if they get last hit. There's no reason to not keep moving as Abathur, if only to make the trail of locusts less of a "stealth heroes come here" arrow. I love it when Abathur's don't understand that and have their locusts come down from the jungle with almost full time, so that you exactly now where he is and can kill him with ease.
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May 10, 2017 17:13
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Yeah if you're not displaying godlike map awareness and soaking multiple lanes at all times it's hard to justify playing TLV or abathur. TLV needs an ult that turns him into Meepo. Each Viking becomes as strong as 3/4 of a regular hero but if one dies they all die. And any Viking can teleport to any other Viking on a 10s cooldown. On an unrelated note, anyone play Sonya on Hanamura? The target box on the small mercs, turret and recon, feel off. I kept trying to W them but nothing would happen. I usually hover my mouse pointer over the feet of the target and it wouldn't target the unit for slamming. Had to move the pointer over the top half of the unit. bamhand fucked around with this message at 17:20 on May 10, 2017 |
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May 10, 2017 17:13
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Making them more like meepo is the opposite of what I was asking for
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May 10, 2017 17:22
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Meepo is the king of ganging up though. Net someone and suddenly they're surrounded by 5 Meepo's.
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May 10, 2017 17:26
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Make sure every hit of Spin to Win hits the same hero and their burst gets scary.
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May 10, 2017 17:30
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I never noticed spin to win hits stacking. Was that a change recently?bamhand posted:Meepo is the king of ganging up though. Net someone and suddenly they're surrounded by 5 Meepo's. Yeah but moving as a gang to ambush people with him is trash. Also phantom legion would be the king. I heard he got nerfed bad though.
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May 10, 2017 17:36
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:I never noticed spin to win hits stacking. Was that a change recently? They've always stacked, getting them all to hit the same target requires you to expose yourself to big AOE though.
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May 10, 2017 17:39
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Not really. They changed the Misha talent that made it really easy to do. When was this? I soloed the Black Heart Bay boss with Rexxar at like lvl 6 a couple of weeks ago.
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May 10, 2017 17:41
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All PTR changes went live just now with the exception of:some useful reddit dude posted:No D.Va (duh) 5/10 Patch Notes via Reddit
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I still like that they buffed Falstad eighteen patches in a row but the two instances in this game's history that Li Li was a popular pick she was instantly nerfed.
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