UKMT May 2017: Weak and Wobbly vs. Old and Knobbly

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TomViolence: Feb 19, 2013; PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

can't have any of this loving positivity business

1979 - around the time everything started its downward spiral

# ? May 10, 2017 22:07

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OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

I envy people who do not have enough inherent depressive bias that they feel the need to cultivate it consciously.

# ? May 10, 2017 22:08

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Alchenar posted:

It really doesn't, the SNP gutted 6th form colleges to pay for it so yeah you can have your free tuition if you get the grades which you have no chance of getting it you are working class.

Which is why Scotland does steadily worse for working class entry to uni than England.

Uhhh, sixth form colleges? gently caress are you talking about? We didn't have sixth form colleges when I left school in 2002, and I feel confident in saying that sixth form has literally never been a thing in Scotland so I don't see how the SNP could gut a thing that doesn't exist.

So you'll need to clarify that or shut the gently caress up

# ? May 10, 2017 22:18

Intrinsic Field Marshal: Sep 6, 2014; by SA Support Robot

Alertrelic posted:

Free tuition works fine in England's European neighbors, like Scotland.

As a English taxpayer im tired of paying for Scotland's free methadone and degrees in postmodern literature

# ? May 10, 2017 22:23

ShaneMacGowansTeeth: May 22, 2007; I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Have the Tories actually announced any policies they are looking to implement apart from pledging to turn the Brexit negotiations into some sort of S&M party?

# ? May 10, 2017 22:24

TheHoodedClaw: Jul 26, 2008

forkboy84 posted:

Uhhh, sixth form colleges? gently caress are you talking about? We didn't have sixth form colleges when I left school in 2002, and I feel confident in saying that sixth form has literally never been a thing in Scotland so I don't see how the SNP could gut a thing that doesn't exist.

So you'll need to clarify that or shut the gently caress up

We didn't have sixth-form colleges when I left school in 1986. (We've never had sixth-form colleges, I suspect he's talking about further education colleges).

# ? May 10, 2017 22:26

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

Have the Tories actually announced any policies they are looking to implement apart from pledging to turn the Brexit negotiations into some sort of S&M party?

Strong and stable fox hunting mate, what more do you want? Red white and blue Brexit

# ? May 10, 2017 22:34

TomViolence: Feb 19, 2013; PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

a strong and difficult government with a bloody woman stable

# ? May 10, 2017 22:36

Intrinsic Field Marshal: Sep 6, 2014; by SA Support Robot

A strong and stable dictatorship

# ? May 10, 2017 22:38

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

forkboy84 posted:

Strong and stable fox hunting mate, what more do you want? Red white and blue Brexit

Hold the presses! The Tories found some money for something!

Yeah it's above inflation increases in the defence budget.

# ? May 10, 2017 22:45

Dead Cosmonaut: Nov 14, 2015; by FactsAreUseless

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

As a English taxpayer im tired of paying for Scotland's free methadone and degrees in postmodern literature

would you prefer an educated or uneducated alcoholic?

# ? May 10, 2017 22:48

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

Last poll before the manifesto leak!

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/862424837322674176

# ? May 10, 2017 22:51

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

Have the Tories actually announced any policies they are looking to implement apart from pledging to turn the Brexit negotiations into some sort of S&M party?

A strong stable for the fox hunting hounds.

# ? May 10, 2017 22:54

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

https://twitter.com/Benfogle/status/862283732060950529

# ? May 10, 2017 22:55

Dead Cosmonaut: Nov 14, 2015; by FactsAreUseless

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

Have the Tories actually announced any policies they are looking to implement apart from pledging to turn the Brexit negotiations into some sort of S&M party?

Trying to seduce Germans- not an optimistic outcome

# ? May 10, 2017 22:57

hakimashou: Jul 15, 2002; Upset Trowel

Has Labour ever had a woman leader? It seems like a bit of a boys' club.

# ? May 10, 2017 22:58

Breath Ray: Nov 19, 2010

jabby posted:

Last poll before the manifesto leak!

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/862424837322674176

# ? May 10, 2017 22:58

Breath Ray: Nov 19, 2010

hakimashou posted:

Has Labour ever had a woman leader? It seems like a bit of a boys' club.

Yeah just before corbyn

# ? May 10, 2017 22:59

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

AP posted:

https://twitter.com/Benfogle/status/862283732060950529

Hahah, wow I hope that's real.

# ? May 10, 2017 22:59

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

forkboy84 posted:

Uhhh, sixth form colleges? gently caress are you talking about? We didn't have sixth form colleges when I left school in 2002, and I feel confident in saying that sixth form has literally never been a thing in Scotland so I don't see how the SNP could gut a thing that doesn't exist.

So you'll need to clarify that or shut the gently caress up

FE has been cut under the SNP.
The foreigner's just got his terminology mixed up

# ? May 10, 2017 23:00

MikeCrotch: Nov 5, 2011; I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

jabby posted:

Last poll before the manifesto leak!

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/862424837322674176

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# ? May 10, 2017 23:01

hakimashou: Jul 15, 2002; Upset Trowel

Breath Ray posted:

Yeah just before corbyn

Looking it up I see they've had acting leaders a couple of times, but the party has never picked a woman to be leader?

# ? May 10, 2017 23:02

Dead Cosmonaut: Nov 14, 2015; by FactsAreUseless

Leaked Tory manifesto on Brexit negotiations: Whatever you do, don�t talk about the war

# ? May 10, 2017 23:02

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Dead Cosmonaut posted:

Leaked Tory manifesto on Brexit negotiations: Whatever you do, don�t talk about the war

you got this 100% the wrong way around, I'm sorry

# ? May 10, 2017 23:06

Breath Ray: Nov 19, 2010

hakimashou posted:

Looking it up I see they've had acting leaders a couple of times, but the party has never picked a woman to be leader?

what about Boudicca

# ? May 10, 2017 23:10

Kegluneq: Feb 18, 2011; Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

Breath Ray posted:

what about Boudicca

Anti taxation, hated immigrants, not trusted in the big cities -sounds like a winner!

# ? May 10, 2017 23:15

ThomasPaine: Feb 4, 2009; We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

have you loving seen the telegraph's take on the labour manifesto leak ffs

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/10/exclusive-jeremy-corbyns-left-wing-labour-manifesto-leaked/

quote:

Exclusive: Jeremy Corbyn's left-wing Labour manifesto leaked

Jeremy Corbyn will take Britain back to the 1970s by nationalising industries, forcing wage caps on businesses and giving huge power to the unions if he gets into power, a leaked copy of Labour's draft manifesto reveals.

The 43-page document, obtained by the Daily Telegraph, shows that Mr Corbyn plans to nationalise energy, rail and mail and will introduce a 20:1 pay cap for businesses.

The manifesto says Mr Corbyn is committed to achieving a "nuclear free world" and is "extremely cautious" about using Britain's nuclear deterrent.

The Labour leader will only send the armed forces into combat if "all other options have been exhausted", the copy of the manifesto states.

It also says that Labour will rule out a "no deal" Brexit and refuse to set a migration target, in a move that is likely to drive away its traditional supporters who voted Leave in the EU referendum.

The party will also create a Ministry of Labour to hand more power to trade unions, stating: "We are stronger when we stand together".

Pay bargaining and increased unionisation across the workforce will also be introduced according to the draft plan.

The party will fund its socialist agenda though a huge programme of increased tax and �250billion of borrowing over the next decade with more spending on education and health and big levies on business and industry.

The document is likely to reinforce concerns that Mr Corbyn is soft on defence, law and order and migration.

Critics will also cite it as evidence that Labour plans to �soak the rich� with a huge tax raid on high earners and businesses, in a week when both Mr Corbyn and the shadow chancellor John McDonnell praised the works of Karl Marx.

The draft document, which will be debated and finalised by party officials in London tomorrow, reveals:

- A pledge to nationalise energy firms, railways, bus firms and Royal Mail.

- Income tax hikes for those earning more than �80,000 a year

- Ensuring 60 per cent of the UK's energy comes from renewable sources by 2030

- Fines for businesses that pay their staff high wages and a business levy on profits

- Companies with government contracts would only be allowed to pay their highest earner 20 times more than the lowest

It was leaked to The Telegraph a week ahead of the official publication date and three party sources last night confirmed it is an official draft version, circulated ahead of a key meeting where the final copy will be thrashed out later today.

In it, Mr Corbyn dismisses Theresa May's Brexit pledge that "no deal is better than a bad deal" and promises to protect EU funding across the UK, guarantee worker's rights and drop the Conservative Great Repeal Bill which would allow EU laws to be scrapped.

The Labour leader also refuses to set a target to cut immigration and instead pledges to scrap rules that force migrants to prove they have enough money to live and work in the UK before they are allowed into the country.

The document, circulated to Labour party officials, union members and the shadow cabinet team, is understood to have been written by Mr Corbyn's communications chief Seumas Milne and Mr Corbyn's top policy adviser Andrew Fisher, who has previously called for Trident to be scrapped and MI5 to be disbanded.

A Labour source warned it is "Ed Miliband's manifesto with hard left hundreds and thousands sprinkled on top".

They added that union leaders have been bought off with special pledges including promises to look again at pensions, scrap driver-only trains and offer an inquiry into the battle of Orgreave during the 1984 miner's strike.

The draft copy also pledges to protect the right to "a nomadic way of life" and support gypsies, travellers and the Roma community.

It includes pledges to increase school and NHS funding, ensure prisons are "a last resort" and to only deploy the armed forces when "all other options have been exhausted".

Prisons, it says, should be a "place of last resort".

But the party is facing a series of rows about its pledges on defence amid concerns from some in the arms industry that a vow in the manifesto to scrap weapons exports to Saudi Arabia will cost jobs.

The leader, who has been staunchly anti-nuclear weapons for his entire political career has previously clashed with his shadow defence secretary Nia Griffiths over whether to include a commitment to renewing the Trident missile system in the party's election document.

The document promises to move towards "a nuclear free world" and while supporting the renewal of the missile system the draft document adds: "But any prime minister should be extremely cautious about ordering the use of weapons of mass destruction which would result in the indiscriminate killing of millions of innocent civilians.�

I seriously see very little to dislike about this. Just about the read the comments though, ought to be fun.

# ? May 10, 2017 23:18

Lobster God: Nov 5, 2008

jBrereton posted:

you got this 100% the wrong way around, I'm sorry

Who do you think will be first to mention the war once negotiations start?

haha, just kidding. It will be Boris

# ? May 10, 2017 23:18

ContinuityNewTimes: Dec 30, 2010; Я выдуман напрочь

hakimashou posted:

Looking it up I see they've had acting leaders a couple of times, but the party has never picked a woman to be leader?

Your concern is noted

# ? May 10, 2017 23:19

kingturnip: Apr 18, 2008

ThomasPaine posted:

have you loving seen the telegraph's take on the labour manifesto leak ffs

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/10/exclusive-jeremy-corbyns-left-wing-labour-manifesto-leaked/

I seriously see very little to dislike about this. Just about the read the comments though, ought to be fun.

Oh dear, all those Telegraph-reading Labour voters will now go out and vote UKIP :ohdear:

# ? May 10, 2017 23:27

MikeCrotch: Nov 5, 2011; I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

The Telegraph posted:

The Labour leader will only send the armed forces into combat if "all other options have been exhausted", the copy of the manifesto states.

Isn't

isn't that sort of the point of armed forces

what are the Telegraph objecting to here exactly

# ? May 10, 2017 23:30

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

ThomasPaine posted:

have you loving seen the telegraph's take on the labour manifesto leak ffs

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/10/exclusive-jeremy-corbyns-left-wing-labour-manifesto-leaked/

I seriously see very little to dislike about this. Just about the read the comments though, ought to be fun.

I see George Eaton was the first to dribble out top analysis like "it's longer than the longest suicide note in history" and is getting excited.

It's a good manifesto with lots of good proposals (excited to see the thread resident neoliberals try to argue it's less bold than the 97 manifesto).

Incidentally, when this manifesto fails to win over the public I hope the left will finally stop putting their faith in the ballot box.

# ? May 10, 2017 23:31

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

ThomasPaine posted:

have you loving seen the telegraph's take on the labour manifesto leak ffs

quote:

It includes pledges to increase school and NHS funding, ensure prisons are "a last resort" and to only deploy the armed forces when "all other options have been exhausted".

Prisons, it says, should be a "place of last resort".

"War is not actually the last argument of kings, but a good laugh and good to get into for spurious reasons." - A Serious Military Strategist, maybe.

And what are prisons if not a place of last resort? Much as the Telegraph probably wants to bring back the noose and transportation beyond the seas to whatever lovely land the UK still owns, there are no other further resorts at present. And they're expensive and overcrowded, not because of playstations and gourmet meals but because of guards and security, so surely even the economic right should prefer the cheaper and more limited means of state intervention compared to the most severe, like they seem to do with everything else.

Unless they're all spiteful short termist idiots.

# ? May 10, 2017 23:31

hakimashou: Jul 15, 2002; Upset Trowel

forkboy84 posted:

Incidentally, when this manifesto fails to win over the public I hope the left will finally stop putting their faith in the ballot box.

And just give up completely?

# ? May 10, 2017 23:32

ThomasPaine: Feb 4, 2009; We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

quote:

David Baxter 10 May 2017 11:14PM
There's a lot of "angry" people on here denouncing these outlines policies, but honestly, a lot of them aren't all that bad.... the rail companies privatisation has not been a wholesale success, and not that BR was a great organisation either, at least the operations weren't squeezed for profit - it's a bigger subject than that, but the overall idea is not a bad one, if done right => look at France's TGV!!

As for tuition fees, that current system is an accounting exercise that shifts the burden of payment onto graduates with a super extended payback terms... so again not a bad idea if the education that comes out of it for students provides a better educated and more employable workforce.

As for corporation tax, the Laffer curve shows that that is probably not the best way to fund these and other proposals, but getting VERY big business to pay their way could easily fund these programs.

All I'm saying is this is not a return to the 70's, there's no mention of 80% income tax for the "rich" etc., and whilst I am a "Tory" and have been all my life, I'm NOT sure I like the road laid out before me by the current Conservative Govt. either..... people need to take a deep breath and actually look at the underlying concepts before going nuts!

fair play david baxter fair play. hell of a thing when even people who outright say they are tories are telling everyone to just simmer down for a single solitary second and actually think things through.

# ? May 10, 2017 23:35

Paperhouse: Dec 31, 2008; I think
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hakimashou posted:

And just give up completely?

Revolution awaits, comrade.

# ? May 10, 2017 23:39

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Someone referencing the laffer curve unironically is golden. The Telegraph clearly attracts quality commenters.

# ? May 10, 2017 23:42

ShaneMacGowansTeeth: May 22, 2007; I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

https://twitter.com/DMReporter/status/862424520736559104

# ? May 10, 2017 23:43

Skinty McEdger: Mar 9, 2008; I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!

And if you want your daily dose of Mail hypocrisy, on Tuesday the mail had an opinion piece and Littlejohn's column both be in favour of renationalising the railways.

I'm going to ignore the Mail's long term opposition to a privatised royal mail and just instead focus on them reversing their position on rail in two days.

# ? May 10, 2017 23:48

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ThomasPaine: Feb 4, 2009; We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Great minds...

poor effort on the che style photoshop there

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