|
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/862440704907366401 Unreal Based on his other tweets the audience ain't buying it lol
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 00:03
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 15, 2024 02:33 |
|
|
https://twitter.com/katiedjennings/status/862439261928390659 holy gently caress they aren't taking any of his bullshit tonight
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 00:07
|
|
|
Man, were these idiots so insulated they genuinely thought their constituents wanted this?
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 00:18
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/862446985487548416 https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/862447447414591488
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 00:20
|
|
|
CommissarMega posted:Man, were these idiots so insulated they genuinely thought their constituents wanted this?
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 00:37
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/862452280003637249 earth to democrats
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 00:56
|
|
|
If you're not watching he got crushed by a teenager and then got her kicked out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBUP_UxHYLs
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 01:01
|
|
|
Rhesus Pieces posted:https://twitter.com/katiedjennings/status/862439261928390659 Hot drat, the American public is done and over with this nonsense. Good luck getting the Senate to okay this and killing their careers. It is amazing that the GOP ever thought they could get away with being so brazen. Even Satan is looking at them and saying, "Now come on, don't you think this is a little too evil?"
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 01:13
|
|
|
Tom MacArthur (R) New Jersey posted:I have found government bureaucrats can be very dangerous when they have power.
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 01:15
|
|
|
lol he just went with the "I wonder how well YOU would handle this job" defense
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 01:42
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/thecombatnurse/status/861645935410946050 "how many of you want a single payer, government run system?*crowd raises hands, cheers* His body language after has "...ah gently caress" written all over it.
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 02:09
|
|
|
Mr. Nice! posted:If you're not watching he got crushed by a teenager and then got her kicked out. Oh man, what's the timestamp on that?
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 02:13
|
|
|
Lemniscate Blue posted:Oh man, what's the timestamp on that? This is the gal in question. Not sure how far into her question I got I was just randomly clicking around and got lucky. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBUP_UxHYLs&t=4604s
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 02:14
|
|
|
Mr. Nice! posted:This is the gal in question. Not sure how far into her question I got I was just randomly clicking around and got lucky. Thanks. The lady after her tore him a new one as well.
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 02:20
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/862476921996705793 drat. Some people are finally getting it.
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 02:20
|
|
|
I'd really like to know if most of the individuals in these videos identify as republican or democrat. It feels like these people are starting to understand that maybe health insurance should be a right for every citizen in the country.
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 02:29
|
|
|
Rad Valtar posted:I'd really like to know if most of the individuals in these videos identify as republican or democrat. It feels like these people are starting to understand that maybe health insurance should be a right for every citizen in the country. He's never gotten less than 59% of the vote in his district, make of that what you will.
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 02:32
|
|
|
Rad Valtar posted:I'd really like to know if most of the individuals in these videos identify as republican or democrat. It feels like these people are starting to understand that maybe health insurance should be a right for every citizen in the country. A big factor here is that Dem proxy groups have been organizing people to prep them to go to these townhalls for months now. That's a large part of what the "empty suit" townhalls were earlier.
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 02:40
|
|
|
Average salary for doctors and nurses is high in the USA. Average salary for the USA is high in general. Don't jump on me and tell me that there are poor folks in the USA; I know - but jobs that require a degree tend to pay more than the equivalent in Europe. Coders get about double in the USA vs UK. I think it's probably related to the high cost of university level education. Coming from the U.K. I'm always startled by the hordes of support staff a doctor needs to handle insurance. There must be at least as many on the insurer side. Perhaps start there. Bureaucracy adds nothing to anyone's life.
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 13:35
|
|
|
BarbarianElephant posted:Coming from the U.K. I'm always startled by the hordes of support staff a doctor needs to handle insurance. There must be at least as many on the insurer side. Perhaps start there. Bureaucracy adds nothing to anyone's life. For private practice physicians, yeah most of the support staff handles coding and billing. In hospitals it gets a bit more sinister; the average hospital employs ten administrative staff for every physician it has, but it doesn't have a whole lot to do with insurance requirements. Rather it's something that started (mostly) in the 80s when private hospital chains started gobbling up independent hospitals into health care networks. Columbia HCA being one of the most egregious examples, whose former CEO and Medicare fraudster is now the governor of Florida. Basically they've decided to treat health care entirely as a business rather than something that actually helps people. There's a lot of administrative staff involved in these places whose sole duty is to get as much money from patients as possible while providing just enough care to make sure their hospital grade doesn't wind up in the shitter because of poor patient outcomes. So who loses out when health insurance companies and health care providers fight each other in their forever war to maximize their own revenues? Patients.
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 16:03
|
|
|
CommissarMega posted:Man, were these idiots so insulated they genuinely thought their constituents wanted this? Many of them, yes. Surveys show that politicians consistently believe their constituency is more conservative than it actually is.
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 18:52
|
|
|
duz posted:Many of them, yes. Surveys show that politicians consistently believe their constituency is more conservative than it actually is. They were not necessarily wrong if you calculate based on voting likelihood. The difference is this has.made left wingers active in a way they haven't been historically.
|
|
#
?
May 11, 2017 18:58
|
|
|
Hieronymous Alloy posted:They were not necessarily wrong if you calculate based on voting likelihood. The difference is this has.made left wingers active in a way they haven't been historically. Right, they have good reason to believe it since that's the type of person most likely to make noise and vote.
|
|
#
?
May 12, 2017 01:35
|
|
|
Hieronymous Alloy posted:They were not necessarily wrong if you calculate based on voting likelihood. The difference is this has.made left wingers active in a way they haven't been historically. Theres so much hatred for gop among most lefties i know its crazy. I hope it continues. I thought id get rage fatigue but so far i continue to just get more pissed.
|
|
#
?
May 12, 2017 03:23
|
|
|
Hieronymous Alloy posted:They were not necessarily wrong if you calculate based on voting likelihood. The difference is this has.made left wingers active in a way they haven't been historically. Maybe this time people will realize that, given the choice between the lesser of two evils and the greater of two evils, you ought pick the least evil one! We can hope...
|
|
#
?
May 12, 2017 03:25
|
|
|
Sloober posted:Theres so much hatred for gop among most lefties i know its crazy. I hope it continues. I thought id get rage fatigue but so far i continue to just get more pissed. They're like a loving death cult and I'm chained to them.
|
|
#
?
May 12, 2017 06:07
|
|
|
Seems like the senate is not even glancing at the brakes on this murder train, and Cruz is putting his weight on the accelerator. State opt-in, cancelling medicaid if you're not actively dying, and turning the AHCA credit into a non-refundable one are being talked about.
|
|
#
?
May 12, 2017 19:45
|
|
|
baquerd posted:Seems like the senate is not even glancing at the brakes on this murder train, and Cruz is putting his weight on the accelerator. State opt-in, cancelling medicaid if you're not actively dying, and turning the AHCA credit into a non-refundable one are being talked about. Holy loving poo poo. They really are just going to try to cancel the 2018 election, aren't they? It's got to be the only way they think they can stay in power if they pull this.
|
|
#
?
May 12, 2017 23:29
|
|
|
Maybe they think so much poo poo has happened that there is no way they would survive in 2018 anyway, so they might as well turn the dial to 11? Meh, that is probably giving them too much credit. They absolutely believe what they are doing is right and best for the nation and themselves.
|
|
#
?
May 12, 2017 23:35
|
|
|
BlueberryCanary posted:They absolutely believe what they are doing is best for themselves. I don't give them the credit of thinking they're doing anything good for the nation or anything morally right anymore. Not after 2016.
|
|
#
?
May 12, 2017 23:43
|
|
|
BlueberryCanary posted:They absolutely believe what they are doing is right and best for the nation I doubt that's even a consideration. Reminder: American Conservatism is literally a plot to bring back the Gilded Age. quote:On August 23, 1971, prior to accepting Nixon's nomination to the Supreme Court, Powell was commissioned by his neighbor, Eugene B. Sydnor Jr., a close friend and education director of the US Chamber of Commerce, to write a confidential memorandum titled "Attack on the American Free Enterprise System," an anti-Communist, anti-New Deal blueprint for conservative business interests to retake America for the chamber.[13][14] It was based in part on Powell's reaction to the work of activist Ralph Nader, whose 1965 exposé on General Motors, "Unsafe at Any Speed," put a focus on the auto industry putting profit ahead of safety, which triggered the American consumer movement. Powell saw it as an undermining of Americans' faith in enterprise and another step in the slippery slope of socialism. [...] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_F._Powell_Jr.#Powell_Memorandum
|
|
#
?
May 12, 2017 23:45
|
|
|
Could someone please explain to me where the whole "you get to keep your doctor" bullshit comes from are they saying that switching plans means you'd lose your doctor out of network? like if they signed up for the ACA they wouldn't get to go to their doctor once a year? Is it one of those talking points that sounds really good to people but doesn't make a lick of sense in practice?
|
|
#
?
May 13, 2017 05:36
|
|
|
FizFashizzle posted:Could someone please explain to me where the whole "you get to keep your doctor" bullshit comes from Obama said this when passing ACA. he promised that even if their catastrophic health plan that they loved so much for whatever reason was illegal under the new law, their doctor who they like and trust would still take the new insurance they got on the marketplace. Cue 7 years of yelling about how Obama lied when he said "if you like your doctor you can keep him"
|
|
#
?
May 13, 2017 06:01
|
|
|
BarbarianElephant posted:Average salary for doctors and nurses is high in the USA. Average salary for the USA is high in general. Don't jump on me and tell me that there are poor folks in the USA; I know - but jobs that require a degree tend to pay more than the equivalent in Europe. Coders get about double in the USA vs UK. I think it's probably related to the high cost of university level education. That's more or less it, yeah. Plus just the almost utter lack of an effective safety net. The money I make right now would be absurd if I weren't paying off student loans, but since I am it's just ok.
|
|
#
?
May 13, 2017 06:30
|
|
|
Defenestration posted:Obama said this when passing ACA. he promised that even if their catastrophic health plan that they loved so much for whatever reason was illegal under the new law, their doctor who they like and trust would still take the new insurance they got on the marketplace. Insurance companies promptly set up second-class plans for their ACA customers which not all doctors took who took the primary plan. This was so predictable I don't know why Obama assumed they wouldn't. It confuses patients and it confuses doctor's staff, too - often they will say "We take all BCBS plans." But if you ask them too look it up they are like "Sorry. All BCBS plans EXCEPT ACA."
|
|
#
?
May 13, 2017 08:06
|
|
|
People who qualified for CSR plans were thinking "wow, this plan is awesome!" (because honestly they are, if you are 100-150% of the FPL, a silver CSR plan is better than a platinum plan) without realizing that CSR benefits only apply in-network and those networks tend to be massively reduced compared to non-CSR plans. I saw one where the nearest in-network GP was a 70 minute drive away and I live in a major metro area. e: Really healthcare.gov should have had a tool where you could check if your current healthcare providers accepted your insurance plan; that would've been massively helpful. You could find this information out but health insurance is confusing as hell and a lot of people aren't really able to navigate it. baquerd posted:Seems like the senate is not even glancing at the brakes on this murder train, and Cruz is putting his weight on the accelerator. State opt-in, cancelling medicaid if you're not actively dying, and turning the AHCA credit into a non-refundable one are being talked about. Giving states so much power over AHCA implementation is going to result in the GOP actively murdering their own base. I have no clue why they think this is a good idea. The Phlegmatist fucked around with this message at 13:00 on May 13, 2017 |
|
#
?
May 13, 2017 12:53
|
|
|
The Phlegmatist posted:People who qualified for CSR plans were thinking "wow, this plan is awesome!" (because honestly they are, if you are 100-150% of the FPL, a silver CSR plan is better than a platinum plan) without realizing that CSR benefits only apply in-network and those networks tend to be massively reduced compared to non-CSR plans. I saw one where the nearest in-network GP was a 70 minute drive away and I live in a major metro area. You guys keep thinking the GOP base is poor hillbillies. Most Trump voters were middle and upper class suburbanites, IIRC. Killing the poor is the goal. It won't be an issue for the GOP.
|
|
#
?
May 13, 2017 15:40
|
|
|
Defenestration posted:Obama said this when passing ACA. he promised that even if their catastrophic health plan that they loved so much for whatever reason was illegal under the new law, their doctor who they like and trust would still take the new insurance they got on the marketplace. Doctors taking every provider and providers covering every medical doctor should've just been a part of the ACA since the whole network scam is a bunch of over complicated bullshit.
|
|
#
?
May 13, 2017 15:42
|
|
|
Huzanko posted:Doctors taking every provider and providers covering every medical doctor should've just been a part of the ACA since the whole network scam is a bunch of over complicated bullshit. It would only work with federal price controls. Providers become in network when they reach agreement with the Payer on pricing. The payer uses their bulk purchasing power to get a discounted rate.
|
|
#
?
May 13, 2017 15:51
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 15, 2024 02:33 |
|
|
Huzanko posted:You guys keep thinking the GOP base is poor hillbillies. Most Trump voters were middle and upper class suburbanites, IIRC. Nope.  I guess if you do that dumb thing where everyone is middle class you could tautologically say you are correct e: and it's dumb to care about what the average trump supporter is in a elector college system. what you care about are the people that pushed him over the edge in the states that matter. In florida this would be old fuckers, in the rust belt you'd have poor uneducated whites, and so on. TROIKA CURES GREEK fucked around with this message at 16:44 on May 13, 2017 |
|
#
?
May 13, 2017 16:40
|
|
