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Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



CHICKEN SHOES posted:

I went to get a beer poo poo what happened

They told her she isn't being civil and asked her to leave. Took her mic away and kicked her out.


Haha he's talking about the rates going up and people are all responding "It's YOUR FAULT"

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UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit

CHICKEN SHOES posted:

drat teenager blasting him now too lol

Jesus dude, just say yes or no. Lmao at him trying to bring up hypothetical rape victims and multiple women start speaking up saying they are victims of rape.

Edit for clarification: dude tried to build a straw man and got shut down

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
can't wait for him to poo poo on this dude with the dead wife thats in near tears

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
an insurance broker drat lol

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit
I love whenever people bring up PECs with him he comes back to, "Well, if you keep continuous coverage you'll be fine," as if that's some magical verbal loophole that will stop the angry people from yelling at him

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
"i can't imagine what you and you rkids are going through..

well, i can.."

Genocide Tendency
Dec 24, 2009

I get mental health care from the medical equivalent of Skillcraft.


hobbesmaster posted:

It only takes 51 votes to change the rules of the senate. Even if they do not explicitly kill the filibuster 51 votes could say that "this bill totally counts".

Slight problem: that would require 50 people in the senate to support this thing.

You missed where I said:


Genocide Tendency posted:

CBO is the road block and Senate Reds would need to spend 2 months re-writing all the Senate rules to bypass it. They aren't going to do that just to push a worse re-write of a bill that had 17% support of the general public.


They would have to kill the filibuster or do it under reconciliation.

Killing the filibuster would be the "2 months re-writing all the Senate rules" part. Because thats what would happen due to all the issues with doing it. Like convincing several republicans to agree to it. They are not going to ram this pile of poo poo though the way the house did. They will rewrite parts of the AHCA because their majority is already highly endangered. McConnell is a loving idiot who would do something stupid like ram this steaming pile of poo poo through, but there are enough smart GOP senators who will not let it happen and force him to pump the breaks.

The House is a loving clown show. The Senate is much more aware of their situation and will be much more careful in the way it attempts to gently caress the American public.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
Universal Healthcare, you give up your rights to choose for yourself. And that is just the beginning. Semper Fi

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



"I have found government bureaucrats can be very dangerous when they have power"

*thunderous laughter and applause*

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

I'm not sure how you market the AHCA to anyone that doesn't fall into a foaming rage when they hear the word Obama.

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
loving LMAO THEY'RE SINGING AT HIM

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

KildarX posted:

I'm not sure how you market the AHCA to anyone that doesn't fall into a foaming rage when they hear the word Obama.

There's a reason why you've heard almost no members of Congress defend the AHCA other than the few exceptions that say "obumbo bad obumbocare bad too".

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

facialimpediment posted:

There's a reason why you've heard almost no members of Congress defend the AHCA other than the few exceptions that say "obumbo bad obumbocare bad too".

We have to pass it now so we can fix it later.

Here you go, Senate!

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

GF's employer switched plans on her immediately after she paid her $3,000 deductible and they won't let her transfer it over to the new one. lmao at the idea of healthcare getting even worse

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/862049845288341504

He really didn't do anything. It will be certified and everything. Case closed.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
WaPo broke the high score with thirty, three-zero, 30 sources on this one. Linking in case you're not subscribed.

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/862468904538578948

Basically, Donnie fired Comey because he had a mad about the Russia stuff and Comey not backing him up on "wiretapp".


And Spicey's Power Hour may be nearing an end: https://twitter.com/blakehounshell/status/862470103383900161

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
Fox is reporting that Aetna will leave the healthcare exchange....buisness is pushing real hard

quote:

Health insurance company Aetna (AET) will completely exit the ObamaCare exchanges in 2018.

The company announced late Wednesday it will not offer insurance plans in Delaware or Nebraska, the remaining two states where it was slated to provide coverage under the Affordable Care Act next year.

“We will not offer on- or off-exchange individual plans in Delaware or Nebraska for 2018, and at this time have completely exited the exchanges,” Aetna said in a statement to FOX Business.

In April Aetna said it would not participate on the state exchanges in Virginia next year and last week committed to pulling out of Iowa. In 2016 the insurer sold plans across fifteen states. It trimmed that position to just four states at the outset of 2017, citing financial losses.

“Our individual Commercial products lost nearly $700 million between 2014 and 2016, and are projected to lose more than $200 million in 2017 despite a significant reduction in membership. Those losses are the result of marketplace structural issues that have led to co-op failures and carrier exits, and subsequent risk pool deterioration,” the company said Wednesday.

Last week the House of Representatives passed a health care bill to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act. House Speaker Paul Ryan told Fox News Tuesday he is hopeful the bill will pass the Senate within a “month or two.”



http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2017/05/10/aetna-to-completely-pull-out-obamacare-exchanges-by-2018.html

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

CHICKEN SHOES posted:

this is good poo poo, MacArthur getting smashed by constituents in a town hall, live now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBUP_UxHYLs

:lol: People literally started in at the end of the Pledge of Allegiance.

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 28, 2008

Ba-dam ba-DUMMMMMM

Hot Karl Marx posted:

https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/862049845288341504

He really didn't do anything. It will be certified and everything. Case closed.

Doesn't a certified letter just mean that you've signed it in the presence of the person certifying it, not that its contents have been verified to be accurate and truthful?

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus

suboptimal posted:

Doesn't a certified letter just mean that you've signed it in the presence of the person certifying it, not that its contents have been verified to be accurate and truthful?

Yes.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Yep. And if you cross your fingers behind your back, that oath you took to tell the truth doesn't count.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Hot Karl Marx posted:

https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/862049845288341504

He really didn't do anything. It will be certified and everything. Case closed.
And all the MAGA warrior tea-hadists will internalize it as the truth because gently caress it what does reality mean? It's certified. Daddy Trump tells me so and who are you to argue with a certified letter?

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
The leak-a-thon is on and there's some *very* interesting news. Again, linking twitter to get around subscriptions and poo poo like that.

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/862477474772471809

Comey knew/knows that Donnie was nuts and per WSJ, Comey was getting DAILY updates on the Russia investigation, not weekly, and was concerned about the collusion evidence coming in. I really wonder what kind of failsafe poo poo he had in place and what the FBI lifers are going to cook up.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





facialimpediment posted:

The leak-a-thon is on and there's some *very* interesting news. Again, linking twitter to get around subscriptions and poo poo like that.

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/862477474772471809

Comey knew/knows that Donnie was nuts and per WSJ, Comey was getting DAILY updates on the Russia investigation, not weekly, and was concerned about the collusion evidence coming in. I really wonder what kind of failsafe poo poo he had in place and what the FBI lifers are going to cook up.

Hey shim does this count as the open war between white house and intelligence community you were talking about a while back?

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Two Finger posted:

Hey shim does this count as the open war between white house and intelligence community you were talking about a while back?

Donald Trump's war on the intelligent community began June 14 1946

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Final thing tonight. I instacame.

https://twitter.com/lrozen/status/862479384334225409

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon

Fire enough people and yes it will go away! Turns out the American populace doesn't care about corruption and hated as long as its hatred against muslims, blacks, and women.

milk milk lemonade
Jul 29, 2016
Jesus motherfucking Christ

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Jump off your stupid gaudy tower. That'll really make it go away.

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine

Buca di Bepis posted:

GF's employer switched plans on her immediately after she paid her $3,000 deductible and they won't let her transfer it over to the new one. lmao at the idea of healthcare getting even worse

We're in the middle of IVF (covered by our current policy) and my employer is in the middle of a pending merger. I think our acquirer has the same plans but I'm still scurred. :ohdear:

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

https://www.wsj.com/articles/james-comey-had-requested-more-money-for-fbi-s-russia-investigation-before-being-fired-u-s-official-1494433061

WSJ so ill c/p

"Shane Harris and Carol E. Lee, WSJ posted:

WASHINGTON—In the weeks before President Donald Trump fired FBI Director James Comey, a federal investigation into potential collusion between Trump associates and the Russian government was heating up, as Mr. Comey became increasingly occupied with the probe.

Mr. Comey started receiving daily instead of weekly updates on the investigation, beginning at least three weeks ago, according to people with knowledge of the matter and the progress of the Federal Bureau of Investigation probe. Mr. Comey was concerned by information showing possible evidence of collusion, according to these people.

White House officials said Wednesday that Mr. Trump had for months been contemplating the possibility of removing Mr. Comey, and that the dismissal this week wasn’t connected to the Russian probe.Meanwhile, a congressional investigation into Russian meddling picked up steam as the Senate Intelligence Committee issued a subpoena Wednesday for the president’s former national security adviser, Mike Flynn, to produce documents relevant to the investigation. And a federal grand jury in Northern Virginia has issued subpoenas for records tied to Mr. Flynn, according to a person familiar with the matter.

FBI and Senate investigations into Mr. Flynn, which had been looking into the nature of his contacts with Russia before he joined the White House, expanded in recent weeks to include an examination of Mr. Flynn’s tenure as Mr. Trump’s chief security adviser, people familiar with the probe said. Mr. Flynn was forced to resign as national security adviser for misleading Vice President Mike Pence about his contacts with Russian officials.

The Senate Intelligence Committee also has asked a Treasury Department office that investigates financial crimes for information related to Trump associates or people related to his campaign, said Sen. Mark Warner (D., Va.), the vice chairman of the committee.

Investigators are interested in companies that have done business with Mr. Trump or have connections with him, said people familiar with the matter. That could include businesses associated with members of Mr. Trump’s family, such as Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law turned aide who was formerly the CEO of his family’s real-estate business, Kushner Cos., one person said.

With his concerns mounting, Mr. Comey last week sought more resources to support the bureau’s investigation, which began last July. He requested additional personnel from Rod Rosenstein, who had been recently installed as the deputy attorney general, overseeing the FBI, people familiar with the discussions said.

Justice Department spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores said Mr. Comey and Mr. Rosenstein had their last meeting on May 1, with each man accompanied by a staff member. There was no discussion of resources or funds related to the Russia investigation at that meeting, Ms. Flores said.

On Monday, Mr. Comey briefed lawmakers on his request to boost the investigation, people familiar with the discussions said. The lawmakers, who have been running their own probe of alleged meddling in the U.S. election by Russia, and possible Trump campaign links with it, asked Mr. Comey if he could accelerate the FBI investigation, said a person with knowledge of the conversations.

Mr. Comey had been providing updates to top members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, which has taken the lead on Capitol Hill in the Russia probe, the person with knowledge of the conversations said.

On Tuesday, Mr. Trump informed Mr. Comey in writing that he was removing him as the head of the nation’s top law enforcement agency.

Mr. Comey’s dismissal prompted concerns among Democrats and Republicans that Mr. Trump’s White House was interfering with the FBI probe.

“That’s a big investigation the FBI is doing, and they are well into it,” said Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, the top-ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee. “As you know now, subpoenas are being requested.”

Sen. Richard Burr (R., N.C.), chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said Tuesday he was “troubled by the timing and reasoning of Director Comey’s termination.”

Mr. Trump was asked during an Oval Office appearance Wednesday why he fired Mr. Comey. “Because he wasn’t doing a good job,” he said.

White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders said the White House wants the investigations to continue.

Senate Intelligence Committee investigators have grown alarmed as they reviewed intelligence reports, according to people familiar with the investigation.

Some Republican lawmakers have said they have seen nothing to substantiate inappropriate connections between Trump associates and Russia. Rep. Devin Nunes (R., Calif.), the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, has said he has seen “no evidence of collusion.”

“We are confident that when these inquiries are complete, there will be no evidence to support any collusion between the campaign and Russia,” a White House spokesman said in a statement.

To date, the inquiry has produced no “smoking gun,” these people said, but some investigators are persuaded that the evidence will show more than just casual contacts. One area of particular interest for the committee is Mr. Trump’s business dealings. The Senate Intelligence Committee has asked for information from the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, or FinCEN, a division of the Treasury Department.

The goal of the financial inquiry is to understand the nature of any financial ties Mr. Trump may have to foreign interests, including Russia, and to determine to what extent, if at all, Mr. Trump or his associates have investments that may be tied to the Russian government, people with knowledge of the inquiry said.

There currently are 11 congressional staff working on the Senate probe, a number that some lawmakers have said publicly isn’t enough to handle the voluminous intelligence reporting and leads that have been generated by the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency.

Those reports comprised the bulk of information used to craft a public report earlier this year blaming the Russian government for hacks against the Democratic National Committee, Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager, and other political organizations. Russia has denied involvement in the hacking.

The committee’s review, which could take from 18 to 24 months to complete, is focused on several tranches of information, according to people with knowledge of the investigation.

Investigators and committee members have examined intelligence reports, including those from the NSA and the CIA, and committee staff have interviewed the analysts who helped craft the public document attributing the campaign-season hacking to Russia.

—Paul Sonne, Byron Tau, Del Quentin Wilber and Kristina Peterson contributed to this article.

Nostalgia4Butts fucked around with this message at 03:46 on May 11, 2017

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


https://twitter.com/ericgeller/status/862478882167029760

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Yesss....

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost
Trump thought that firing Comey would be no big deal.

milk milk lemonade
Jul 29, 2016
Can't wait for the establishment to bury this orange rear end in a top hat. Who wants to gently caress up the most powerful government on the planet? Bend the knee to Uncle Sam and Lady Liberty or get merced motherfuckers

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 28, 2008

Ba-dam ba-DUMMMMMM

So let's say that the eventual outcome of this whole sordid shitshow is that there is credible evidence showing that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, including Trump himself. What happens next? Can the president be impeached for crimes committed before they took office? Can the president be indicted should the legislature decline to impeach? If the Republican-led legislature declines to impeach, how do the Democrats react to this?

It's a pretty scary feeling when you realize that democracy's institutions are only as strong as the people who make them up, and those people are idiots and assholes.

Flying_Crab
Apr 12, 2002



WaPo just reported that Deputy AG Rosenstein threatened to quit after the WH gave him as the reason for Comey's firing.

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/862507406693212160

Terrifying Effigies
Oct 22, 2008

Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up.

suboptimal posted:

So let's say that the eventual outcome of this whole sordid shitshow is that there is credible evidence showing that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, including Trump himself. What happens next? Can the president be impeached for crimes committed before they took office? Can the president be indicted should the legislature decline to impeach? If the Republican-led legislature declines to impeach, how do the Democrats react to this?

It's a pretty scary feeling when you realize that democracy's institutions are only as strong as the people who make them up, and those people are idiots and assholes.

If Congress fails to act in that scenario it becomes a Titanic sized cudgel to whip up opposition votes in 2018. Doesnt even matter if the GOP base still supports them if you're seeing 70/80/90% turnout of Dems and Inds in every single congressional district across the country.

At this point the only way to get the message to the GOP is to physically eject them from office.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





suboptimal posted:

So let's say that the eventual outcome of this whole sordid shitshow is that there is credible evidence showing that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, including Trump himself. What happens next? Can the president be impeached for crimes committed before they took office?

Seeing as this is like the definition of treason and high crime, yeah i'd say so

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bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
They can impeach for basically anything they want. (Like a blowjob) The wording, "high crimes and misdemeanors", is vague enough that it is in essence a political process instead of a legal procedure. It is an open ended term that is generally interpreted as "you did something bad that you could only do because of your position in office"

This of course then relies on them wanting to do it and welp we're hosed.

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