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okay brits heres my question. if you're a liberal, why would you not vote for the lib dems, or try to take over that party. why do they cling to labor???? is it just cause the lib dems are sad and pathetic? i will not accept any answers from posters with the username hakimashou
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Karl Barks posted:okay brits heres my question. if you're a liberal, why would you not vote for the lib dems, or try to take over that party. why do they cling to labor???? is it just cause the lib dems are sad and pathetic? thatcher was a neoliberal. blair was a neoliberal. thatcher said her greatest creation was blair does that help explain why british politics is hosed?
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May 10, 2017 21:36
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Karl Barks posted:okay brits heres my question. if you're a liberal, why would you not vote for the lib dems, or try to take over that party. why do they cling to labor???? is it just cause the lib dems are sad and pathetic? None so blind as them that cover they' ears.
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May 10, 2017 21:37
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hakimashou is extremely dedicated to becoming the top troll on the glory hole but its not going to happen because its broken
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May 10, 2017 21:38
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Jose posted:hakimashou is extremely dedicated to becoming the top troll on the glory hole but its not going to happen because its broken ya it's really transparent
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May 10, 2017 21:39
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Karl Barks posted:okay brits heres my question. if you're a liberal, why would you not vote for the lib dems, or try to take over that party. why do they cling to labor???? Labour is a bigly huge tent of liberals, ivory tower socialists, and leftish working class people.
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May 10, 2017 21:40
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Jose posted:hakimashou is extremely dedicated to becoming the top troll on the glory hole but its not going to happen because its broken Me saying what I believe and then misguided people disagreeing with me does not make me a "troll" jose.
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May 10, 2017 21:41
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hakimashou posted:Me saying what I believe and then misguided people disagreeing with me does not make me a "troll" jose. i've seen you serious post mate
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May 10, 2017 21:42
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jBrereton posted:The lib dems is unsurprisingly full of liberals of many flavours and was really created by the more fiscally conservative end of Labour in the 1980s. i got told i was insulting a person of colour the other day and a "socialist" because i called someone out for posting their own tweets lol
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May 10, 2017 21:43
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jBrereton posted:The lib dems is unsurprisingly full of liberals of many flavours and was really created by the more fiscally conservative end of Labour in the 1980s. ya that's what i thought. so why don't the right leaning labor people just join the lib dems?
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May 10, 2017 22:04
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Karl Barks posted:ya that's what i thought. so why don't the right leaning labor people just join the lib dems? Under better leadership and with a more centrist orientation the Labour party has a chance of forming a government and holding a majority in parliament but the lib dems don't.
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May 10, 2017 22:06
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hakimashou posted:Under better leadership and with a more centrist orientation the Labour party has a chance of forming a government and holding a majority in parliament but the lib dems don't. 
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May 10, 2017 22:09
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Karl Barks posted:ya that's what i thought. so why don't the right leaning labor people just join the lib dems? first past the post. if the lib dems grow at labour's expense then the left vote is split and conservatives win pretty much everywhere. this happened in canada for a decade after 2006; the left-wing ndp gained strength at the expense of the ruling centre-left liberals as a result of a corruption scandal and it resulted in a decade of Conservative darkness because our tories could get an ironclad majority out of ~40% of the vote. you think britain is hosed now, imagine how right wing the tories could get away with being if they only needed two of every five votes to form a stable government.
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May 10, 2017 22:16
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first-past-the-post is basically electoral AIDS but countries with FPTP will never get rid of it because the ruling party is always the beneficiary
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May 10, 2017 22:18
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iirc labour offered lib dems ending fptp in exchange for coalition, but lib dems instead chose the tories who only offered them a referendum on the thing. well, seems that was a mistake.
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May 10, 2017 22:20
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Jose posted:i've seen you serious post mate J-corbz is seriously gonna lose I think. And he's been a serious liability for like a year now.
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May 10, 2017 22:21
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Concerned Citizen posted:iirc labour offered lib dems ending fptp in exchange for coalition, but lib dems instead chose the tories who only offered them a referendum on the thing. well, seems that was a mistake. electoral reform referendums p much always fail because average people don't understand anything more about elections then 'vote go in vote box and most votes wins hurrr' and basically democracy was a mistake, fully automated luxury technocracy now imo
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May 10, 2017 22:25
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Karl Barks posted:ya that's what i thought. so why don't the right leaning labor people just join the lib dems?
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May 10, 2017 22:29
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Jose posted:i got told i was insulting a person of colour the other day and a "socialist" because i called someone out for posting their own tweets lol
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May 10, 2017 22:30
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jBrereton posted:Because the most influential Lib Dems are quite right wing about economics in a way that nearly all Labour people, even those on the right of the party, are not. There were certainly left leaning liberals in the party who quit Labour over Iraq but then the party formed a coalition with the Tories which sorta put an end to that. Western leftists, or at least anglosphere leftists, like to delude themselves about how mainstream their politics is to the point where UK trots can't imagine a political position to the right of Blair-era labour when no, actually, Blairite neoliberalism is still (slightly) left of the UK's center and there's a reason even Corbyn isn't pledging to nationalize all banks on day 1.
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May 11, 2017 01:46
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i think lefties and tankes have wrapped their bubbles so tightly and simply don't talk about economics with anyone outside their bubble, or if they do they immediately dominate the conversation so its one way. we all know tankies who are like this lol
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May 11, 2017 03:48
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Baloogan posted:i think lefties and tankes have wrapped their bubbles so tightly and simply don't talk about economics with anyone outside their bubble, or if they do they immediately dominate the conversation so its one way. we all know tankies who are like this lol how often do you talk about economics
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May 11, 2017 04:23
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last few days alot but we just had an election in my state
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May 11, 2017 04:30
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jBrereton posted:*in increasingly mantric UKMT voice* gently caress off nazi!!! idk if you ever actually read the europol thread but its insanely bad and that poster does appear to want to genocide muslims based on posts in that thread
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Fallen Hamprince posted:Western leftists, or at least anglosphere leftists, like to delude themselves about how mainstream their politics is to the point where UK trots can't imagine a political position to the right of Blair-era labour when no, actually, Blairite neoliberalism is still (slightly) left of the UK's center and there's a reason even Corbyn isn't pledging to nationalize all banks on day 1. corbyn isn't a trot you idiot. you loving moron
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Fallen Hamprince posted:Western leftists, or at least anglosphere leftists, like to delude themselves about how mainstream their politics is to the point where UK trots can't imagine a political position to the right of Blair-era labour when no, actually, Blairite neoliberalism is still (slightly) left of the UK's center and there's a reason even Corbyn isn't pledging to nationalize all banks on day 1. You described the Canadian Liberals as center-left. They're not, and the gulf between them and the NDP is larger than you admit Hell I just looked up 'loog's beloved BC state liberals in Wikipedia and they're listed as fiscal conservatives operating on the center-right i say swears online has issued a correction as of 08:22 on May 11, 2017 |
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Baloogan posted:What's different Lust for native death
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Baloogan posted:i think lefties and tankes have wrapped their bubbles so tightly and simply don't talk about economics with anyone outside their bubble, or if they do they immediately dominate the conversation so its one way. we all know tankies who are like this lol Leftie economics is good when you start asking questions like "why don't we renationalise the railways" and "why does the guy at the top of the company get paid 300 times what you do", it's great to watch the ultra-rich squirm and try to justify their existence to the masses It's also good to point out to people who have massive nostalgia for the 50's and 60's that there was like a 90% top rate of tax back then
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Baloogan posted:i think lefties and tankes have wrapped their bubbles so tightly and simply don't talk about economics with anyone outside their bubble, or if they do they immediately dominate the conversation so its one way. we all know tankies who are like this lol i don't know any tankies irl and i doubt many people do
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quote:For the first time, the mainstream left in Britain and Europe has no progressive agenda. It has forgotten a basic principle. Every progressive movement has been built on the anger, needs and aspirations of the emerging major class. Today that is the precariat. 2011 lol
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May 11, 2017 14:40
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sounds like the kind of drivel is that tearing labour apart and leaving us with the lovely may as el presidente for the next many long years
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May 11, 2017 14:43
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the labour manifesto owns a whole lot shame the tories are insanely popular
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May 11, 2017 15:04
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Jose posted:the labour manifesto owns a whole lot shame the tories are insanely popular They want to let children vote...
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May 11, 2017 20:36
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hakimashou posted:They want to let children vote... 18 year olds are children if you're allowed to die and pay taxes for your country you should get a vote. Take the vote away from anyone receiving state pension
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May 11, 2017 20:52
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"No Taxation Without Representation" - 16 years old in the UK, 2017
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May 11, 2017 21:11
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sounds like y'all need a declaration of dependence (on government!!)
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May 11, 2017 21:14
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Aliquid posted:You described the Canadian Liberals as center-left. They're not, and the gulf between them and the NDP is larger than you admit the BC liberals and Liberal Party of Canada aren't the same party lol
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Lord Bartleroy of Tottingham-Upon-Hotspur: "Actually, colonial, Wikipedia states that the Liberal Party of BC states that they are 'fiscally conservative', and my chav footman informs me that BC stands for 'Big Canada'."
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can someone explain why the tories are still popular despite the extreme brexit death thats about to take place under their watch? just not enough economic collapse yet or what?
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