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Clarste posted:Angry is right, Soma had no special knowledge of the environmental conditions and didn't think about that at all. All he did was notice that the flour's smell seemed weak so he used the stronger flour and other tricks to strengthen it. Nene failed to notice this and didn't even consider using another flour. The second half of that is fine for what the story is trying to tell, but the first half makes her seem bad at her job. Patware posted:alright, try this on for size It's more similar to the egg dish Souma made for Erina a while back, that worked because Souma was willing to use lower quality eggs. They even said that the best eggs would be too much for the dish. Kinokuni was locked into thinking only First Flour can make the best soba, and would never think of using Second or Third Flour unless that was a condition of the Shokugeki. That rigidity led to her defeat.
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Someone who is constantly experimenting with cooking will notice things that someone who is technically great and well trained, but never experiments will miss. It's pretty much that simple. It's not a competence issue on her part, it's just a flaw. It's not like she created some terrible attempt at Soba or something. Souma's was just better.
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May 11, 2017 22:14
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Angry Grimace posted:It's just lame in my opinion that an E10 member loses because they're careless. Professionals gently caress up due to carelessness all the time why does it matter here
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May 11, 2017 22:23
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Eej posted:Professionals gently caress up due to carelessness all the time why does it matter here Especially when the gently caress up ties directly into the point of the arc. Which is a battle between fluidity and experimentation vs hard recipies and elitism.
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May 11, 2017 22:26
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Kuroyama posted:It's more similar to the egg dish Souma made for Erina a while back, that worked because Souma was willing to use lower quality eggs. They even said that the best eggs would be too much for the dish. Kinokuni was locked into thinking only First Flour can make the best soba, and would never think of using Second or Third Flour unless that was a condition of the Shokugeki. That rigidity led to her defeat. six of one, half-dozen of the other. soma bustering echoes of the talents of other chefs he's taken out is more of a background factor, anyway
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May 11, 2017 22:28
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The problem is Kinokuni started with the wrong premise. Every argument you make is inconsequential until you're willing to use empathy on Kinokuni. And in case you had dismissed all the previous chapters as meaningless, her position is that the first flour is the best flour (and that if you perform the steps to making it perfectly, then the result will naturally be perfect). She then exerted her skills to make the absolute best traditional soba from that flour... and succeeded. It's just not as good as the (presumably) best soba made from third flour in that environment. This is plainly a refutation of Central and what it stands for in a battle. ChronoReverse fucked around with this message at 22:35 on May 11, 2017 |
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May 11, 2017 22:31
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I'm totally fine with this, it works well enough as a repudiation of Central and ties into the central character of both opponents, which is about all you can ask for. e: also I just caught up and that Girl Who Lept Through Time page made me full-body guffaw
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May 11, 2017 22:46
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Eej posted:Professionals gently caress up due to carelessness all the time why does it matter here Because the E10 were built up as a major factor for almost the entire manga and now the best non-Isshiki 2nd year just got rolled. I think that's what annoys me here, we've seen Souma butt heads with the Elite Ten and come out on top with some conditions (Hayama and Eizan weren't on top of their game, he beat Kuga in a single day) but it didn't feel conclusive, just that we could see gradual progress for Souma towards reaching the Elite Ten as a whole. Now Nene is absolutely being chumped here and this is probably the one moment in the spotlight she will get. It really cheapens and deflates the E10.
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May 11, 2017 22:55
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Nene may actually be among the weakest of the Elite 10. We know Erina was ranked 10th because she was the newest and it all but stated she will rise in the ranks. Eizen Ranked 9th was stated by Rindou to be better then quite a few of the current elite 10 when he puts his mind to it and focuses on it. And Nene herself stated that Isshiki was only ranked behind her because he was not trying as hard as he should. Anyway I don't think this weakens the Elite 10. While Nene lost this situation makes a lot of sense for how Soma beat her here. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 23:09 on May 11, 2017 |
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May 11, 2017 23:06
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Oh my loving god, losing to Soma does not mean she was a bad chef.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Because the E10 were built up as a major factor for almost the entire manga and now the best non-Isshiki 2nd year just got rolled. He's been making that progress through the entire series. Do people really not think that Souma as he stands now isn't a cook that can stand on the same stage as the bottom 5 members of the Elite 10. He, Nakiri and Hayama are all around the same level of cook.
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TheKingofSprings posted:
Losing because of the unique environment of the newly built stadium after having everyone rave over her technique and food is hardly being chumped.
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Listen, I will bring up Addicted to Curry again and why this battle outcome (while it was boring for me), makes more sense. In Addicted to Curry, there was a competition, as you do, and antagonist chef served his curry to eat with a spoon, while the main character served his to eat with chopsticks. That turned out to be the deciding factor for the main character to win because the metallic taste of the spoon interfered slightly with the antagonist's curry while chopsticks didn't interfere with the taste and also it was more ~*Japanese*~. So what I'm saying is, there's literally nothing to get mad about aside from the fact that this was boring and I wanna get back to Naked Apron-senpai and eel monsters.
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May 12, 2017 02:33
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Thanks for reminding me Addicted to Curry is still stuck in translation purgatory
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May 12, 2017 04:12
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It'll never get out. Hell, I think I join a scanlation group back in 2010 specifically to help out with that (and other projects). Yeah that didn't go so well. 
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Eej posted:Professionals gently caress up due to carelessness all the time why does it matter here Because this is scripted and it's dumb if an Elite 10 member loses because they're careless.
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May 12, 2017 04:26
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We knew you well Eizan...
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furthermore,
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Compendium posted:We knew you well Eizan... Merely mentioning the word "ketchup" is grounds for crucifixion in some circles
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Begemot posted:Oh my loving god, losing to Soma does not mean she was a bad chef. She made time traveling Soba for pete's sake!
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May 12, 2017 04:47
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SgtSteel91 posted:She made time traveling Soba for pete's sake! she lost because her soba was so good that the judges have no memory of eating it
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May 12, 2017 04:49
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I liked the cursory clothes explosion at the end. It's like he was done with the chapter and then realized everyone was still dressed. Kinda like "oh poo poo. Uh… yeah just put it at the end that'll do."
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Angry Grimace posted:Because this is scripted and it's dumb if an Elite 10 member loses because they're careless. She wasn't careless though. the entire point was that she would have never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever used third flour. Her "ultimate" soba was made using first style. That is what she was going to make no matter what. It had nothing to do with carelessness and everything to do with her not being able to think outside the traditional soba box.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Merely mentioning the word "ketchup" -- What was that, friend? 
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Dexo posted:She wasn't careless though. the entire point was that she would have never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever used third flour. Her "ultimate" soba was made using first style. That is what she was going to make no matter what. It was her literally being a *Beep Boop* top class soba making robot and running on autopilot. There's definitely an element of hubris, which may be mistaken for carelessness, that led to the fall.
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Xelkelvos posted:It was her literally being a *Beep Boop* top class soba making robot and running on autopilot. There's definitely an element of hubris, which may be mistaken for carelessness, that led to the fall. This entire arc is about Central making the One True Cuisine so no one ever has to improve unless they're one of the chosen ones, while the good guys want to continue battle school to push ever onward. The soba lady's entire deal is that she has trained since birth to make the perfect soba that had been handed down for generations and would never think to second guess her own abilities or creations because she's already perfect. Soma's entire character is about constant experimentation and improvement, and as a result he tried his own dish and said "oh this wasn't as punchy as I'm used to, let's kick it up a notch yeah baby" It's basically a perfect parallel to the arc.
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The difference is caring about the customer really. It reminds me of the good parts of Bambino. Bambi (who is talented but very new to being a professional chef) and a fellow whose name I forgot have a quick competition to cook a risotto for everyone after work at the behest of their boss who is trying to convince the latter guy (who is extremely skilled and experienced, but in a rut) to come back and cook for him after his restaurant failed. Bambi wins, because he cooks everything a bit past al dente so it's softer and more gentle on everyone's stomach after working all day. The other guy cranks out his zillionth dish of perfect pasta made to be plopped in front of a generic customer. The owner points out that his pasta hasn't changed a bit from the moment he originally left to now.
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Hubris is a common theme in Soma. Sometimes it's played for laughs and sometimes it's plot relevant. Ingredients making a difference is also old news for this manga. Hell, this felt like a slightly higher-stakes rehash of the Soma vs Part of what I like about Soma is that he reminds me a little of Gintoki: While unlike Gintoki, Soma is still learning stuff along the way (after all, Soma is around 17, while Gintoki is in his late 20's/early 30's), a lot of what they both do is just look at the situation at hand, adjust to it by recalling years of experience in their area of expertise to make awesome stuff happen. Soma has been constantly butting heads with his dad Iron-Chef-style, often trying (with less than stellar results, from the look of it) to not get his rear end kicked too badly. While the Polar Star Dorm Mother has said that Soma is the ultimate "spiteful loser" (or something like that). I do think that Soma learns to adjust at a frightening speed, meanwhile most of these guys, while no doubt incredibly talented, are still channeling that one "Good ol' 'rock'. Nuthin' beats that!" frame of mind. I feel that the only two Elite 10 worth anything from here on are gonna be  ) and Nene trying to act cool/smug only to get slightly embarrassed when Soma ended up picking Soba.Death Bot posted:This entire arc is about Central making the One True Cuisine so no one ever has to improve unless they're one of the chosen ones, while the good guys want to continue battle school to push ever onward. 
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Momo will also be legit but I think tuna man is going to end up jobbing.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Momo will also be legit but I think tuna man is going to end up jobbing. Calling it now: Takumi vs Momo. Dorky Pretty Boy vs Socially Retarded Loli.
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Wark Say posted:Calling it now: Takumi vs Momo. Dorky Pretty Boy vs Socially Retarded Loli. I'm so ready for another dessert off
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I'm feeling Megumi vs Eizan is going to happen, maybe after Eizan gets a win against Isshiki. Then Megumi takes an L against Rindou.
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I'm going to hazard a guess that Mimisak will be the first to face Tsukasa and get blown away.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Momo will also be legit but I think tuna man is going to end up jobbing. Having a dessert specialist is kind of dumb in general. Pastry chefs are largely an entirely different thing to the point it would be kind of dumb if anyone can beat Momo at all. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 21:32 on May 12, 2017 |
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Now that I think about it the Soma vs. Kinokuni match had a pretty similar resolution to a Yumeiro Patissiere match where the protagonist beats an opponent (who is using impossible to obtain high class ingredients) because she notices the person she is making the food for likes really bitter stuff and adjusts her dish accordingly. Shokugeki no Soma and Yumeiro Patissiere have a lot in common now that I think about it. A lot.
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Fabricated posted:The difference is caring about the customer really. And now you reminded me that Bambino's sequel sucks  
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I need this tournament to hurry up so that Megumi can challenge Soma for the 1st seat right after they've beaten everyone else.
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Mimisaka just not being capable of matching Tsukasa's ability despite a perfect trace would be a decent build I don't think anyone's gonna get upset about Mimisaka eating poo poo
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Food Troll losing to Food Himmler seems like a pretty decent setup to build on, yeah.
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Though Kuga already called facing Tsukasa first. So he may be the first person to lose to him.
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