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Kelp Me! posted:He's right though, even Barnes & Noble has a whole vinyl section now where you can pay $39.99 for a remaster of London Calling or a picture disc 40oz. To Freedom or the latest Chainsmokers garbage Vinyl poo poo is neat because it's got a big picture and the record spins around and round and most of them come with download codes if you'd rather have mp3s or whatever; for a lot of the new-release stuff it's similar in price-range to just buying the album on iTunes. also when the Greys destroy all the world's electronics with a giant EMP, I'll still be able to listen to techno on my Victrola
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Grand Prize Winner posted:The Greys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOumQgyv7ng&hd=1
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Kelp Me! posted:He's right though, even Barnes & Noble has a whole vinyl section now where you can pay $39.99 for a remaster of London Calling or a picture disc 40oz. To Freedom or the latest Chainsmokers garbage What I loved is recently Alestorm was promoting the vinyl version of their upcoming album with a facebook post that was basically "Did you know we have to use a special lovely mix on vinyl just to try to overcome how terrible it is? Oh well, it's trendy so go ahead and buy it!" ninja edit: Also yeah, the best feature of vinyl is giant cover art.
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May 8, 2017 15:41
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Chiming in here as one of those guys in a metal band, putting out their stuff on vinyl. First off, all those reissues from the major labels are bullshit. Its completely and 100% a cash grab by major record labels trying to squeeze every dollar from their back catalogue. They rarely go back to the master tapes, and even if they do, they never re-mastered for vinyl, which is a subtle, but necessary difference (http://www.gottagrooverecords.com/vinyl-mastering/). They saw independent labels, and bands, making sales, and of course they want a piece. I think its lame as hell, but whatever, those big labels will be gone soon enough. The reason why independent bands choose vinyl varies, but I think this covers most of them. 1. Art work is huge. We pay artists to make cool art, and it's cool to have it blown way up. 2. Limited edition stuff, people like to collect stuff, and it's an easy way to make special copies. 3. Some people have really nice home hifi setups, and the market for used turntables covers every price range and quality level. 4. Everyone includes a download card, so you can have your music on all your devices anyway. 5. As the band it is really crazy when you put on a record and it's your music coming out. Way more satisfying than clicking play on Itunes. 6. Profit margins are pretty good if you make a big enough run of records.
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What was the audiophile accounts from the time when CD was getting introduced? I guess I'd be curious what someone like a mid-80s music fan would have had to say after years of vinyl and various tape formats about the uniformity and clarity of the new CD experience compared to how people talk about vinyl vs. CD/digital today. edit: I did find this from 1983 http://www.stereophile.com/cdplayers/193/ Glancing through it, it has some notes that make some features of it sound great, but there was something that stood out to me in regards to the topic of the thread: quote:Soundstream's parent company, Digital Recording Corp., claims to have a workable prototype of a completely new digital record/play system using a stationary 3"-by-5" card scanned by a "rotating laser." A quick glance over to the Soundstream wiki reveals something that was in development at about the same time as CD: "In 1980, Digital Recording Corporation (DRC) acquired Soundstream. DRC attempted to develop a home digital player that would use a photographically reproducible optical card as opposed to the mechanically pressed CD.[14] This effort was eclipsed by the rise of the CD, leading to the company’s demise in 1985." JediTalentAgent has a new favorite as of 07:37 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 07:27
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I need to get a decent turntable to replace the plastic usb one I have as I have all my parents' old vinyl and by god if I ever have children I'm going to subject them to Kid Creole and The Coconuts in its original format.
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May 9, 2017 09:53
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Brand new or second hand? There are great bargains to be had, if you avoid the well known brands like Technics, Pioneer, Thorens and so on. For a new turntable, I would go for a Uturn or a Pro-ject, or an AT-LP120.
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Another shop I spotted sold retro games from NES to PS1 eras, along with the consoles, and used records, along with turntables... and the majority of those were Crosleys. So close, you guys! My dad has a sizeable music collection and has in recent years started collecting playback devices of all kinds. Won't touch MP3s or any other files but anything else is fair game. Last time I visited we figured out a standalone CD writer he bought without a manual, now last I heard he had started to transfer his tapes to Minidisc. I'm somewhat apprehensive about it all because some day I'm bound to inherit all this stuff and it's much too good to get rid of but I don't remotely have the space. e: I guess it's good he's doing the Minidisc thing at least 
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JediTalentAgent posted:What was the audiophile accounts from the time when CD was getting introduced? I guess I'd be curious what someone like a mid-80s music fan would have had to say after years of vinyl and various tape formats about the uniformity and clarity of the new CD experience compared to how people talk about vinyl vs. CD/digital today. Early CDs were just "copy the cassette to a CD" so they didn't sound any better than a cassette. I have a ton of CDs from the late 80s and early 90s I inherited from my parents and there's noticeable tape hiss on nearly all of them. There's even an infobox on the CD case to tell you to expect tape hiss. At least CDs last longer than cassettes.
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That's what the SPARS codes were meant to help with, I think - if the CD was marked DDD it was digital all the way from recording to disc and shouldn't have any tape hiss.
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May 9, 2017 11:45
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Thanks for the recommendations all. Gonna start with Exploding The Phone and see how I feel when I'm done with it.
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Humerus posted:Early CDs were just "copy the cassette to a CD" so they didn't sound any better than a cassette. I have a ton of CDs from the late 80s and early 90s I inherited from my parents and there's noticeable tape hiss on nearly all of them. There's even an infobox on the CD case to tell you to expect tape hiss. A master tape properly transferred to CD would still be better than cassette in the sense that you could depend on your playback device to play it at the right speed, without warbling, without bias due to misaligned tape heads etc.
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Computer viking posted:That's what the SPARS codes were meant to help with, I think - if the CD was marked DDD it was digital all the way from recording to disc and shouldn't have any tape hiss. There were an awful lot of CDs that came out without remixing properly to take advantage of the new technology, hence a lot of audiophiles were sniffy about it, since the sound quality wasn't as good a it should be - or as good as the vinyl version. also audiophiles are tools.
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My favorite(!) thing about the late Eighties switch to CD was when radio stations went to playing CD's and the early players would skip or seize up pretty regularly.
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p-hop posted:If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 188 miles per hour... you're gonna see some serious poo poo. You're not going to see it, but you're sure as hell going to smell it.
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May 9, 2017 13:49
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Vinyl is way overrated soundwise, but at least you can do this with them 
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:Vinyl is way overrated soundwise, but at least you can do this with them You can also do that with LaserDisc covers. The Ikea brand Vinyl picture frame is surprisingly sturdy.
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FilthyImp posted:You can also do that with LaserDisc covers. I'm doing just that as a present for my sister, with the Japanese Laserdisc version of Back To The Future  (Yes, I got the actual Laserdiscs, I couldn't find a listing with just the cover)
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Humerus posted:Early CDs were just "copy the cassette to a CD" so they didn't sound any better than a cassette. I have a ton of CDs from the late 80s and early 90s I inherited from my parents and there's noticeable tape hiss on nearly all of them. There's even an infobox on the CD case to tell you to expect tape hiss. At least CDs last longer than cassettes. Speaking as someone who went through that time I have no recollection of this. I started buying CDs around 1985, but I was buying original artist CDs, or compilations from reputable labels like Telarc and Philips. I used to play the poo poo out of my LPs and 45s and immediately fell in love with the blissful lack of snaps/pops/hiss of the CD. It probably wasn't until the mid 1990s that I started to encounter problems with poorly mastered albums. I'm no audiophile but I like clean sound and CDs provided that. It's a bummer that I'm sensitive to digital audio compression artifacts because that watery/swishy distortion seems to be in everything now.
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FilthyImp posted:You can also do that with LaserDisc covers. I didn't know the Ikea frames fit laserdiscs. I have sealed copies of Space Jam and Robin Hood: Men in Tights that are begging to hang on my wall.
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Dick Trauma posted:Speaking as someone who went through that time I have no recollection of this. I started buying CDs around 1985, but I was buying original artist CDs, or compilations from reputable labels like Telarc and Philips. I used to play the poo poo out of my LPs and 45s and immediately fell in love with the blissful lack of snaps/pops/hiss of the CD. It probably wasn't until the mid 1990s that I started to encounter problems with poorly mastered albums. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war One of my favorite artists actually puts disclaimers in his CDs that basically say "this disc was intentionally mixed low to avoid artifacts etc., you may have to crank your volume" In addition to his own stuff the guy is basically this generation's Allen Parsons so I tend to trust that sort of thing coming from him.
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KozmoNaut posted:Brand new or second hand? Pro-ject are really good! Someone earlier in the thread mentioned they put out their albums on vinyl - I was wondering if anyone here has any idea or recomendations on low volume (as in max 5) runs? A friend of mine was in a band and I would love to give the members a copy each of one of their early shows that they recorded onto tape. Just a fun little project with some cover art I'll design and get printed seperate. Just looking for someone to do the actual vinyl pressing.
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Kelp Me! posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war On the wiki page in "examples of 'loud' albums": quote:Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf Bug closed: working as intended.
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I listened to Death Magnetic for the first time in ages earlier holy hell that waveform must just be a solid black bar. I think the 'quietest' CD I ever owned was Manic Street Preachers' Generation Terrorists, that required serious volume adjustment compared to anything else I had then or since. Hard to tell if that was wilful difficulty with them though.
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St Anger's waveform actually *was* just a solid bar. You want serious volume adjustment, grab an early pressing of The Final Cut. If you turn it up loud enough to hear the quiet parts, the loud parts will blow your windows out. For the record I consider this a feature, not a bug
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KozmoNaut posted:I'm doing just that as a present for my sister, with the Japanese Laserdisc version of Back To The Future Include a small hammer and the label: "In case of 1985 break glass."
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Flipperwaldt posted:With the word cassette, this is really only true for the shittiest bootlegs. Replace every instance of cassette with (master) tape and it suddenly aligns a lot better with the broader reality of the time.
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NonzeroCircle posted:I listened to Death Magnetic for the first time in ages earlier holy hell that waveform must just be a solid black bar. Death Magnetic was forcibly made listenable thanks to Apple because of the Mastered for iTunes program. I think the current version available everywhere online is now that one, which has such wild concepts as "dynamics" and "headroom" because it's mastered without clipping for the MfiT release. That said it doesn't fix the actual music, soooo...
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Why are any of you listening to any Metallica post And Justice For All?
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:On the wiki page in "examples of 'loud' albums": I never noticed it back then because I was listening to a ton of punk rock at max volume, but yeah I went back and listened to Coral Fang by the Distillers and holy poo poo is it mixed loud Also I'm surprised Them Crooked Vultures isn't on that list, not only was their album super loud but to date they remain the loudest concert I've ever worked/seen, rivaled only by Converge and maybe High on Fire
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:You want serious volume adjustment, grab an early pressing of The Final Cut. If you turn it up loud enough to hear the quiet parts, the loud parts will blow your windows out. For the record I consider this a feature, not a bug Pink Floyd albums in general have a very wide dynamic range, with long portions or entire tracks just at the edge of hearing and other tracks at a more normal, "radio" level.
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Kelp Me! posted:
TCV was a pretty loud show from what I remember, but my vote for loudest concert has to be the Black Crowes. Saw them 6 times, and every time was more deafening than the last.
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empty baggie posted:TCV was a pretty loud show from what I remember, but my vote for loudest concert has to be the Black Crowes. Saw them 6 times, and every time was more deafening than the last. Kind of random but +44 opened for Weezer at MSG and they were loud as hell, which is weird because Weezer was fine
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Death From Above 1979. I had to go buy earplugs, as I could feel my hearing vanishing in my later years.
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Absolute loudest was probably Decapitated at Copenhell 2016. It was downright painful. The loudest, yet still clear-sounding concert I've been to would have to be Dizzy Mizz Lizzy in the Royal Arena here in Copenhagen. So loud, but perfectly clear and well-balanced. It was like you had taken a really great home stereo and just turned it way the gently caress up.
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I'm sure some of you have seen the Classic Albums episodes, but if you haven't check them out. The DSotM episode is great. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ofxddEJ_aic My personal favorite episode is on Aja, by Steely Dan. They are such perfectionist nerds, and the Michael McDonald section for Peg is hilarious. Also the album owns. http://www.veoh.com/m/watch.php?v=v242044pCWxESzH
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Loudest I've been to was My Bloody Valentine which was fantastic - feeling 'To Here Knows When' vibrate through your whole body is the correct way to hear that song.
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Ruflux posted:Death Magnetic was forcibly made listenable thanks to Apple because of the Mastered for iTunes program. I think the current version available everywhere online is now that one, which has such wild concepts as "dynamics" and "headroom" because it's mastered without clipping for the MfiT release. It was also released as DLC for Guitar Hero III, which was of course ripped and put online. It sounded so much better compared to the CD it was nuts.
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Loud chat: The Melvins were very loud.
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What's funny is that no matter how loud the concerts were that I saw as a teenager the maximum volume now is probably much higher due to improvements in speaker technology, and the lust for POWERRRRRRRRR!
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