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Switching my vote to Whirlwind Saw the changes and it looks pretty solid, if we can focus in on Dos Santos we're golden, lets finish this thing!
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Dance Officer posted:Nah. This is just the first mission where we get to tackle several objectives, but lack the resources to prosecute all of them. This is why we're seeing ~4 different strategic approaches. My goal is to offer more objectives than we have assets to accomplish it. I like to give options that are bad, less bad, and worse. It's more fun that way.
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If it proves necessary we can always do objective shadowban next op. That bridge ain't going anywhere.
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 Fun with Photoshop Mk2
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Is it improper form to vote for my own plan, or is that assumed? 
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May 12, 2017 00:22
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When you're hanging over the edge, the most important thing to remember is Don't Cut the Rope.
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It would suck to tell your CO that you lost your platoon of tanks to some dude named Hot Pants.
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 I got bored so I did a thing.
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Cool! So, what happens if their wings do that in flight? Turn, barrel roll, corkscrew?
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yurtcradled posted:Cool! You could always ask someone in Tomcat community  It landed safely. Click on a picture for more information. Gervasius fucked around with this message at 02:22 on May 12, 2017 |
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May 12, 2017 02:19
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Gatecrasher Please don't bomb the DRC.
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May 12, 2017 02:20
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May 12, 2017 02:21
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I wanna Reap that Whirlwind!
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RA Rx posted:Gatecrasher Of all the countries out there whose opinions matter, the DRC isn't one of them.
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RA Rx posted:
No-one ever proposed doing that.  Anyway, their air force is a dozen rusting Frogfoots, their army is local militia that's more likely to attack each other, their tanks are probably the ones we're blowing up in this op, and their entire navy is one 125 ton gunboat. They're not even worth conquering.
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Groggy nard posted:I wanna Reap that Whirlwind! Let's give this a shot
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I'm voting Gatecrasher, specifically because we need to hit the Free State hard enough that they back off our Eastern forces enough that we can transfer the Rangers to the West. They're our most skilled ground soldiers and if they have an unsecured highway they might not be able to get to us in time for the push. Also as I've said we need to make sure the Free State is in no position to claim legitimacy to the UN, and if they're seen as "allies" to Von Hoff they may be able to claim some territory, most importantly Cabinda which provides 60% of Angola's oil. That cannot happen if Angola is to have a unified and positive future. Plus gently caress Reddit.
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Renaissance Spam posted:I'm voting Gatecrasher, specifically because we need to hit the Free State hard enough that they back off our Eastern forces enough that we can transfer the Rangers to the West. They're our most skilled ground soldiers and if they have an unsecured highway they might not be able to get to us in time for the push. Im banking on the fact that the Free State's troops will be unpaid and leaving soon, making the Free State some white tourists as opposed to an actual force to sit at the table.
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May 12, 2017 04:48
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Gatecrasher it lets the counts ground force be able to push forward in the mos efficient way
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Loel posted:Im banking on the fact that the Free State's troops will be unpaid and leaving soon, making the Free State some white tourists as opposed to an actual force to sit at the table. Considering how they've been going I suspect you're not wrong in that assumption, I would rather know they were a couple kilometers away from the Highway when they decide to mutiny.
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A lot of cool plans here, tough to choose. I think my heart says Don't Cut the Rope, but my mind insists on No Time for Seconds
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Loel posted:Im banking on the fact that the Free State's troops will be unpaid and leaving soon, making the Free State some white tourists as opposed to an actual force to sit at the table. As long as they're winning easily they're gonna be a lot more patient with their paymasters. Something to keep in mind.
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The Sandman posted:Of all the countries out there whose opinions matter, the DRC isn't one of them. The DRC: 1) Is a (technically) neutral country. Doesn't matter that they're letting Free State forces move through their territory, the international community regards them as such. 2) Is, unlike the Free State, an actual country, with its own military that are likely to be more motivated than the Free Staters, especially after we've attacked them. 3) Is a member state of the United Nations. You know, those guys who are sending a carrier group to shut us down? And before you all go 'well it's not like they can escalate much further', the ROE is the only thing that's going to let us the Chinese let us leave Angola alive. If they change that, we're hosed. And don't forget, they can impose impose sanctions on Free Angola, so we can kiss those Lithium stipends goodbye. And, of course, they're the ones deciding the future of Free Angola. 4) Is a member state of the African Union. You know who else is a member of the African Union? Literally every other country in Africa. Now I'm guessing Dos Santos probably doesn't have many friends there or they would have intervened in the conflict already, but I imagine they're all somewhat skeptical of Von Hoff coming in anyway. Lemme quote something to you quickly: Wikipedia page on the African Union posted:Article 4(h) of the Constitutive Act, repeated in article 4 of the Protocol to the Constitutive Act on the PSC, also recognises the right of the Union to intervene in member state in circumstances of war crimes, genocide and crimes against humanity. Any decision to intervene in a member state under article 4 of the Constitutive Act will be made by the Assembly on the recommendation of the PSC. So let's recap: Shadowban: 1) Will anger the DRC, who are likely going to be a far more dangerous and motivated opponent than the Free State ever were (and Free Angola won't be able to defeat them before the Chinese arrive) 2) Will piss off the African Union, who could launch a peacekeeping mission against Free Angola from our vulnerable flanks. 3) Will piss off the UN, who not only could give China the go-ahead to take a more aggressive stance against us, but also sanction Free Angola, which will massively impede our income (as well as our future employment opportunities). 4) Will probably piss off some of the Angolans we're here to liberate. 5) Will piss off our employer on account of 3), 4), & 5), since those three things are going to damage the cause and long-term prospects of Free Angola, if not doom the whole project. If nothing else, blowing up some very, very expensive infrastructure is probably not going to make him very happy. 6) Will deal the knockout blow...to a force that's basically already on the verge of collapse. It's not like they're overrunning us and we're otherwise powerless to stop them, their own dudes are already looking for a way out. It's overkill. DONT CUT THE ROPE is, aside from Shadowban, a well thought out plan. Even Shadowban itself, divorced from the geopolitical context of the situation, sounds good in theory. But it would start the wrong war, at the wrong place, at the wrong time, and with the wrong enemy. Loel posted:Im banking on the fact that the Free State's troops will be unpaid and leaving soon, making the Free State some white tourists as opposed to an actual force to sit at the table.
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Gatecrasher Sorry, but attacking a nominally neutral party... when we are mercs... Seems like a great way to (At best) lose legitimacy for Von Hoff in the diplomatic meetings to come. At worst, we would be bringing in another nation that we can't hope to beat before the PRC shows up on Hoff's heads. The redditors are pretty much spent as a force. Doing something like shadowban serves no purpose. At the very least, we should hear from Hoff if he thinks it is a good idea before we launch stuff at the bridge... He is paying the check at the end of the day after all. Oh and stick me on the pilot list for pretty much anything that carries missiles please. Call sign Zebes if I am in a fighter, or Brinstar if you stick me in a bomber.
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Gatecrasher Seriously, don't attack the DRC. (I'm not voting for my own plan since, well, you know.)
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Gatecrasher I am not that enamoured with the plan itself, but if the alternative is to blow up that drat bridge, then that's not an alternative at all.
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Loel posted:Im banking on the fact that the Free State's troops will be unpaid and leaving soon, making the Free State some white tourists as opposed to an actual force to sit at the table. Yooper said straight up that if we don't put the hurt on the free state, they're going to continue fighting.
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Dance Officer posted:Yooper said straight up that if we don't put the hurt on the free state, they're going to continue fighting. Well it doesn't have to be us specifically, just if things go bad for them. So if the Dictator manages to cut off that link to the DRC border (and thus the capital), they'll come on over to us. If things stay as the status quo as far as the Free State is concerned, then they won't jump ship.
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Here's the thing about getting the mercs, if we flip them we basically demolish the whole backbone of the free state. The SNCOs are mercs and so is a lot of the officer corps. No army could function with that element torn out of them.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Well it doesn't have to be us specifically, just if things go bad for them. So if the Dictator manages to cut off that link to the DRC border (and thus the capital), they'll come on over to us. If things stay as the status quo as far as the Free State is concerned, then they won't jump ship. This is wishful thinking.
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Dance Officer posted:This is wishful thinking. Which part?
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Yvonmukluk posted:Which part? all of it
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Dance Officer posted:all of it Really? Seems like the Free State is being squeezed pretty hard by the Dictator, and if we push them back while still being a force to be reckoned with, we should be able to keep the pressure on without needing to resort to Shadowban.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Really? Seems like the Free State is being squeezed pretty hard by the Dictator, and if we push them back while still being a force to be reckoned with, we should be able to keep the pressure on without needing to resort to Shadowban. Or... the Dictator's troops pull back to the capital because we've been killing all of them before the free state is cut off.
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 Gotta love it when your actions make the front page of the Times. All sides have been reluctant to strike lithium facilities, but there's been some small disruptions. Well, in a Just-In-Time manufacturing environment a little burp means empty iPhone shelves in Tulsa. Though in all likelihood it has nothing to do with us, but the fact that Apple has a chance to beat the Chinese into Angola as the main stabilizing force and get the Lithium for themselves. This has led to the inevitable Twitter meltdown and even some poetry.   The Free State looks to have secured the final stretch goal, but things are falling apart. A lot of observers are wondering where the money is going as they've raised much more than what's required to hire the mercenaries. You can see for yourselves that poo poo is falling apart.  Though one more faction is coming into the mix. A container ship arrived in South Africa two days ago along with a wing of the F-22 Export models. They lacked any logo except a dim gray T.  Experts are debating the legality of outside organizations fighting a war against each other over the mineral rights of a sovereign country. This has the potential to be the first corporate world war. Can it be contained? We'll see soon enough.
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