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LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Can't wait for my Pok3r to areive tomorrow, I just hope I'll be home when the delivery guy swings by.

As for key caps, I absolutely love the Calm Depths set. Royal Navy or GMK Penumbra also look great.

What are the odds there's going to be a new groupbuy of one of those, or them appearing on massdrop any time soon?

I read SP has a really long backlog on SA sets so even if they'd start organizing a new run tomorrow it probably will ship in 2018.

Reason for asking that I'm thinking about ordering the Miami Dolch set. I like it, but it's nowhere near the sets I mentioned earlier. I don't mind ordering it and replacing it by (hopefully Calm Depths) in the future, but I hate to see a group buy start befor my Miami Dolch set has even arrived.

How do you find out when new key sets are announced, just checking r/mk, gh or dt?

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Nondescript Van
May 2, 2007

Gats N Party Hats :toot:
usually geekhack is the best for upcoming stuff as interest checks are posted there so people can get feedback before starting a final group buy.

But, if you want penumbra, you can buy it now, if you want to pay out the rear end for it https://originative.co/products/penumbra

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Nondescript Van posted:

usually geekhack is the best for upcoming stuff as interest checks are posted there so people can get feedback before starting a final group buy.

But, if you want penumbra, you can buy it now, if you want to pay out the rear end for it https://originative.co/products/penumbra

Oh yeah I forgot that Originative have that one in stock. The price is a bit too steep for my first keycap set though.

I'll keep an eye out on geekhack for interest checks amd probably will order the miami doch on massdrop to get things started. I think it'll ship in august (if there are no delays).

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Hoping Massdrop does a non-rainbow Pok3r at some point. I want my clears or greens, which aren't compatible with the rainbow lighting. I especially dislike the linear switches which are so prevalent this time. (Though shitloads of options if that's your thing.)

JewKiller 3000
Nov 28, 2006

by Lowtax
highest quality ABS plastic

$170.00

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
I couldn't find the letters PBT anywhere on that page so I closed it.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
I think I finally got razer synapse to start working again on my PC but it doesn't remember any of my registered products or recognize my tartarus that I have had for 2 years, and when I try to re register it it says invalid product number and won't let me, so I think I am done with loving around with razer. Is the Logitech g13 still the only non shady bullshit competition when it comes to programmable keypads? Is logitech's software less godawful than razer's? I just need something I can program shortcuts and macros for digital art programs to use with my tablet monitor, not having one totally fucks up my workflow (having an 'undo' macro key is so goddamn important for drawing digitally you have no idea)

e: important info, in the related items on amazon for the g13 is a blue quadruple XL size 'build the wall' t shirt

Wowporn fucked around with this message at 03:50 on May 8, 2017

runaway dog
Dec 11, 2005

I rarely go into the field, motherfucker.

so they're Chinese knockoffs but still 250 bux?

runaway dog
Dec 11, 2005

I rarely go into the field, motherfucker.

Wowporn posted:

I think I finally got razer synapse to start working again on my PC but it doesn't remember any of my registered products or recognize my tartarus that I have had for 2 years, and when I try to re register it it says invalid product number and won't let me, so I think I am done with loving around with razer. Is the Logitech g13 still the only non shady bullshit competition when it comes to programmable keypads? Is logitech's software less godawful than razer's? I just need something I can program shortcuts and macros for digital art programs to use with my tablet monitor, not having one totally fucks up my workflow (having an 'undo' macro key is so goddamn important for drawing digitally you have no idea)

my problem with the g13 was that the "space" bar was in a cramped spot unless you use a macro button as spacebar which is equally awkward, someone posted some do it yourself mech keyboard that looks like left and right handed g13s a few pages ago in this thread, I'm too lazy to go digging.

Edit: double posting cuz

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph

4000 Dollar Suit posted:

my problem with the g13 was that the "space" bar was in a cramped spot unless you use a macro button as spacebar which is equally awkward, someone posted some do it yourself mech keyboard that looks like left and right handed g13s a few pages ago in this thread, I'm too lazy to go digging.

Edit: double posting cuz

if that's the only issue that's fine on my tartarus the spacebar is in a not really intuitive spot or shape and I just had it bound to quick save the file I was working on anyway so that's not really important. The big thing I'm looking for really is just programmable, macros, and not horrific software paired with it.

chippy
Aug 16, 2006

OK I DON'T GET IT

teethgrinder posted:

I actually have a brand new set of Vortex doubleshot PBTs if anyone in Toronto wants it for $30. I had intended them for a CODE but the guy I sold it to didn't need them.

The backlit ones? Where did you find them? Do they have the number key legends side by side or are they stacked vertically? Everwhere seems to be out of stock at the moment, I've been waiting for them to come back on Massdrop. I would say I'd buy them off you but I'm in the UK. Not sure what the shipping would be like from Toronto although I may consider it if you were up for it.

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King
tired of the G710+ taking up so much drat space on my relatively small desk. is there a backlit mechanical keyboard that has volume and track controls and isn't made in the PRC? the Topre Realforce RGB looks like the closest available, but it only seems to have volume controls, and I'd prefer TKL if i can get it.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

chippy posted:

The backlit ones? Where did you find them? Do they have the number key legends side by side or are they stacked vertically? Everwhere seems to be out of stock at the moment, I've been waiting for them to come back on Massdrop. I would say I'd buy them off you but I'm in the UK. Not sure what the shipping would be like from Toronto although I may consider it if you were up for it.
I did get them from Massdrop. It's this one: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/31294

I'm guessing my shipping them would cost a lot less than whatever Massdrop does hah. Especially if you're not in a hurry.

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




I'm a little confused about people's DIY keyboards - do the switches and PCB snap together or is it soldered? What's the basic steps for DIYing a board?

chippy
Aug 16, 2006

OK I DON'T GET IT

teethgrinder posted:

I did get them from Massdrop. It's this one: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/31294

I'm guessing my shipping them would cost a lot less than whatever Massdrop does hah. Especially if you're not in a hurry.

I'm not in a huge rush. If you're up for shipping them, I"ll take them off your hands.

CRAYON
Feb 13, 2006

In the year 3000..

well why not posted:

I'm a little confused about people's DIY keyboards - do the switches and PCB snap together or is it soldered? What's the basic steps for DIYing a board?

Most of the builds I have seen use switches mounted to a plate that goes over the PCB. The mounted switches are inserted into the PCB and soldered at two points per switch. This can then be mounted into a full case or combined with a bottom plate to make a "sandwich" case. You can find videos on youtube that definitely help clarify everything that goes into building a keyboard. I've obviously left out a lot, like mounting stabilizers, adding LEDs, etc.

On Youtube, skiwithpete has archives of keyboard build livestreams that show every bit of the process. They are quite long though so you'll probably want to skip around.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

chippy posted:

I'm not in a huge rush. If you're up for shipping them, I"ll take them off your hands.
Okay, I'll do my best to estimate shipping this evening. I'll carry the conversation on via PM.

(Also need to find them ... just moved a week ago, but I have a pretty good idea of where they are.)

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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LochNessMonster posted:

As for key caps, I absolutely love the Calm Depths set. Royal Navy or GMK Penumbra also look great.

What are the odds there's going to be a new groupbuy of one of those, or them appearing on massdrop any time soon?

those three sets ran a long while ago (with originative doing an R3 only penumbra second round last year) so the only place you'll find them is over on geekhack, deskthority or r/mechmarket. if you find them, you'll be asked to pay through the rear end to get them. calm depths had an ic running on geekhack & r/mk but it looks a bit sketchy since it's not the original designer running it

anything signature plastics will run you 150-200 in an sa profile these days, so if you're looking for something more budget you should look into maxey. it's a new product so it'll have issues (general qa and kerning stuff like SHIF T, which was an issue with signature plastics in years past).

bit of a gamble, but i go onboard zfrontier's sa ashen gb becuse it's basically impossible to find round 5 caps.

the big issue with maxkey (beyond the qa stuff) is that it's a bit hard to source them, if you're familiar with taobao you can find a bunch there.

chippy
Aug 16, 2006

OK I DON'T GET IT

teethgrinder posted:

Okay, I'll do my best to estimate shipping this evening. I'll carry the conversation on via PM.

(Also need to find them ... just moved a week ago, but I have a pretty good idea of where they are.)

Nice one. No rush, take your time finding them.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


surebet posted:

those three sets ran a long while ago (with originative doing an R3 only penumbra second round last year) so the only place you'll find them is over on geekhack, deskthority or r/mechmarket. if you find them, you'll be asked to pay through the rear end to get them. calm depths had an ic running on geekhack & r/mk but it looks a bit sketchy since it's not the original designer running it

anything signature plastics will run you 150-200 in an sa profile these days, so if you're looking for something more budget you should look into maxey. it's a new product so it'll have issues (general qa and kerning stuff like SHIF T, which was an issue with signature plastics in years past).

bit of a gamble, but i go onboard zfrontier's sa ashen gb becuse it's basically impossible to find round 5 caps.

the big issue with maxkey (beyond the qa stuff) is that it's a bit hard to source them, if you're familiar with taobao you can find a bunch there.

Thanks for this insightful post. I figured that all the sets that ran are hardly available and if they are they are probably insanley priced (for my liking at least).

I guess I'll have to take a look at other sets or manufacturers. I already looked at PMK / Originative but their prices are a bit too much for me (for now).

I hadn't heard of MaxKey or zfrontier so that's really helpful. I tried looking at TaoBao but I can't figure it out for the life of me.

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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LochNessMonster posted:

Thanks for this insightful post. I figured that all the sets that ran are hardly available and if they are they are probably insanley priced (for my liking at least).

I guess I'll have to take a look at other sets or manufacturers. I already looked at PMK / Originative but their prices are a bit too much for me (for now).

I hadn't heard of MaxKey or zfrontier so that's really helpful. I tried looking at TaoBao but I can't figure it out for the life of me.

PMK is the direct to consumer arm of SP
Originative usually sells either SP or GMK produced sets

Pretty much no one keeps SA, DCS or DSA profiled SP keys in stock, it's all small batch, single-ish run stuff, so either you join a group buy or you deal with the crazy second-hand prices. You might find some GMK (Cherry profile keys) here and there, but they're as expensive if not more than SP.

If you're looking for something really cheap you could always look into [url=https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=search_list&s[title]=Y&s[short_desc]=Y&s[full_desc]=Y&s[sku]=Y&s[match]=all&s[cid]=0&s[search]=tai-hao]Tai-Hao[/url] (Cherry-ish) but it's not the same thing as SP/GMK.

Bottom line is stay informed of upcoming group buys & massdrop and jump in on one that you like, just be aware that it's not a quick process

You might also want to check out the yospos kb thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3732284

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

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surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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LochNessMonster posted:

Oh yeah I forgot that Originative have that one in stock.

Quick point of order there, what they have in stock is a Cherry profile, GMK produced clone:


The original is much better (imho) but is hilariously expensive these days (the last set was listed at $750 on r/mechmarket, which is pretty lol):


Round 1 shipped in 2014ish but it had a bunch of issues making it quite rare

Round 2 shipped last year in row 3 only (with other issues iirc to preserve the ~prestige~ of round 1 owners)



GMK is a quality manufacturer that uses original Cherry tooling, but even in the context of this idiot nerd with disposable income hobby, I can't justify the price they charge for what is basically stock keycaps in a pretty color, but that's me

e: forgot to mention that the original penumbra sets were SP produced SA profiled

surebet fucked around with this message at 20:26 on May 8, 2017

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


The original does indeed look a million times better. But jesus, 750 dollar for some plastic caps is way too much.

I guess I'll have to keep an eye on groupbuys and think if I want to join the Miami Dolch drop or wait for the Nautilus Groupbuy on geekhack.

Or wait for something else all together.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

surebet posted:

Quick point of order there, what they have in stock is a Cherry profile, GMK produced clone:


The original is much better (imho) but is hilariously expensive these days (the last set was listed at $750 on r/mechmarket, which is pretty lol):


Round 1 shipped in 2014ish but it had a bunch of issues making it quite rare

Round 2 shipped last year in row 3 only (with other issues iirc to preserve the ~prestige~ of round 1 owners)



GMK is a quality manufacturer that uses original Cherry tooling, but even in the context of this idiot nerd with disposable income hobby, I can't justify the price they charge for what is basically stock keycaps in a pretty color, but that's me

e: forgot to mention that the original penumbra sets were SP produced SA profiled

The insane thing is I considered getting that bottom one for like 2 seconds. That loving thing is sex.

CRAYON
Feb 13, 2006

In the year 3000..

The AnnePro 60% keyboard is currently on sale at Banggood for $68 which is pretty close to impulse buy territory for me.

SgtSteel91
Oct 21, 2010

I'm looking for a gaming keyboard and I can save $52 on this:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B...pf_rd_i=desktop

Should I buy it or not?

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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SgtSteel91 posted:

I'm looking for a gaming keyboard and I can save $52 on this:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B...pf_rd_i=desktop

Should I buy it or not?

pass, that 52$ savings is based on an arbitrary msrp

it looks like cheap trash, it has unknown switches and it has scrub tier backlighting

if you drop the gimmick rgb lighting you can get actually good switches in a proper case:
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Veng...P8S2M7QM15HF56W

there are a lot of keyboards out there, what features are important to you?

The Unlife Aquatic
Jun 17, 2009

Here in my car
I feel safest of all
I can lock all my doors
It's the only way to live
In cars
My second mechanical keyboard was a Corsair K70 RGB. I can confirm Corsair keyboards are pretty great. Just as a note, the floating key design that Corsair keyboards use makes them unusually loud, my K70 RGB has Red switches and they're louder than the Blues in my first keyboard with an enclosed design.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

SgtSteel91 posted:

I'm looking for a gaming keyboard and I can save $52 on this:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B...pf_rd_i=desktop

Should I buy it or not?

It's ugly as hell but a lot of the chinese knock off switches aren't too bad. I'd shop for a board with knock off switches without weird shaped permanently attached wrist rests like:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01I1N6J34/

I have a TKL version of a mechanical eagle board and it's not bad. The switches are very similar to cherry blues, maybe slightly heavier but not as heavy as the cherry mx greens I use normally. The replaceable switch gimmick is okay but not amazing since the legs on some switches don't really pop into the board quite right.

SgtSteel91
Oct 21, 2010

surebet posted:

pass, that 52$ savings is based on an arbitrary msrp

it looks like cheap trash, it has unknown switches and it has scrub tier backlighting

if you drop the gimmick rgb lighting you can get actually good switches in a proper case:
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Veng...P8S2M7QM15HF56W

there are a lot of keyboards out there, what features are important to you?

I kind of was interested in a gaming keyboard that could light up

Nondescript Van
May 2, 2007

Gats N Party Hats :toot:
I've never used one of these but it's a better option than that thing on amazon

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=313

the switches are well regarded chinese clones that are not poo poo-tier

it lights up but not rgb and fancy poo poo. you can use coupon code RANTOPAD30 for 30% off as well.

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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SgtSteel91 posted:

I kind of was interested in a gaming keyboard that could light up

"gaming" is kinda vague, so you'll have to narrow it down a bit for us.

my take on it is that you'll be soliciting specific keys a lot more than others (wasd and whatever else) versus regular use, so unless you want to replace the board quickly, you want the best key switches possible in there.

the reference brand is cherry and they basically come in 3 types:
linear (reds being most common, with silent red & black showing up once in a while)
arguably better for high apm or twitchy gaming


tactile (brown being most common, clear also available)
great for general typing & gaming


clicky (blue being the most common, greens sometimes showing up)
also great for anything, but be aware that they're noisy as all gently caress especially in a cheap casing


before buying anything, you should visit your local computer store to test all three types. once you've figured out what you like, that also narrows down stuff.

anything with real cherry keys will be ~$100, with deals to be had if you shop around. there are a few decent clones like gateron (as nondescript mentioned) but if possible spend the extra :20bux: for the real deal.

backlit keys is a fairly common feature; if what you're looking for is full rgb backlighting, that'll cost a bit more.

for something with rgb lighting on the cheap:
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Gaming-K55-Keyboard-Backlit/dp/B01M4LIKLI/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1494458512&sr=8-6&keywords=corsair+rgb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukZwCBWX9fs
*not mechanical*

for an actual mechanical board with monocolor backlighting:
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-STRA...rds=corsair+rgb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkblpbyX1IU

for a proper rgb experience with good switches:
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Mech...sair+strafe+rgb
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Gami...corsair+k70+rgb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8xj9FAOuxU

the strafe rgb is obviously more expensive than your original choice, but it's the cheapest i'd go for something rgb. logitech and a few others offer similar products but i can't really help you there.

Megalixir
Nov 10, 2007

Vanillaware ltd.

CRAYON posted:

The AnnePro 60% keyboard is currently on sale at Banggood for $68 which is pretty close to impulse buy territory for me.

go for the tada68 instead

leper khan
Dec 28, 2010
Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

The Unlife Aquatic posted:

My second mechanical keyboard was a Corsair K70 RGB. I can confirm Corsair keyboards are pretty great. Just as a note, the floating key design that Corsair keyboards use makes them unusually loud, my K70 RGB has Red switches and they're louder than the Blues in my first keyboard with an enclosed design.

You could also stop bottoming out.

CRAYON
Feb 13, 2006

In the year 3000..

Megalixir posted:

go for the tada68 instead

I already have a Tada68 with MOD-H switches.

The AnnePro is quite nice for a sub $100 60% keyboard with bluetooth.

Jack Forge
Sep 27, 2012

leper khan posted:

You could also stop bottoming out.

Giggidy. But really, are we judging people's typing habits now?

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

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Pillbug

SgtSteel91 posted:

I'm looking for a gaming keyboard and I can save $52 on this:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B...pf_rd_i=desktop

Should I buy it or not?

Holy crap thats an impressively ugly keyboard. And I say that as someone who really digs gamery light-up RGB stuff.

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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pr0zac posted:

Holy crap thats an impressively ugly keyboard. And I say that as someone who really digs gamery light-up RGB stuff.

it's fake rgb, all it has is different colors on each row

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Phosphine
May 30, 2011

WHY, JUDY?! WHY?!
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CRAYON posted:

The AnnePro 60% keyboard is currently on sale at Banggood for $68 which is pretty close to impulse buy territory for me.

This is supremely interesting, I need a keyboard for my HTPC. Anyone know what the battery/QC is like on this? Also, are these standard-ish keycaps so I can switch to disgusting Miami or something later?

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