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bewbies posted:So...let's assume that Larsson was the absolute best defenseman Taylor Hall could bring back. Everyone knows why the Oilers made that trade, they were desperate. You can sell a starving man a hamburger for $1000, it doesn't mean he paid a fair price but the deal works out for both parties. You just can't defend the cost objectively and a year later you certainly can't pretend it was the best hamburger imaginable that is directly responsible that starving guy being promoted to VP at work and the dollar is a lovely devaluing currency so he got the better end of the deal.
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bewbies posted:So...let's assume that Larsson was the absolute best defenseman Taylor Hall could bring back. That offense with TayTay though would have been sick. They should have just kept him and toughed it out. I bet they still would have been in the thick of things by the deadline and then you just trade for some useless guy who can eat minutes and not be too awful. And then you try again in the off season to find another guy and you still have an awesome forward group.
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having 2 old rear end goalies making too much money didn't seem to teach jim nill much https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/863050535305457665
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the difference between ben bishop and those other guys is that bishop's contract will buy about 2 years of good goaltending as opposed to 0 years of good goaltending
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Ginette Reno posted:That offense with TayTay though would have been sick. They should have just kept him and toughed it out. I bet they still would have been in the thick of things by the deadline and then you just trade for some useless guy who can eat minutes and not be too awful. And then you try again in the off season to find another guy and you still have an awesome forward group. Agreed but there's also the "we need to get Connor into the playoffs as soon as loving possible if we want him here for a decade" factor
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whatis posted:the difference between ben bishop and those other guys is that bishop's contract will buy about 2 years of good goaltending as opposed to 0 years of good goaltending they hope, anyway. he's had 2 years in his career where he was above average and he's 30 years old coming off of a knee and a dick injury. he had a vezina-caliber year as one of those good ones. they're probably paying this money to a dude to be a league average goalie and it could get a lot worse than that very quickly
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Aye Doc posted:having 2 old rear end goalies making too much money didn't seem to teach jim nill much holy poo poo 
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The Golden Man posted:Agreed but there's also the "we need to get Connor into the playoffs as soon as loving possible if we want him here for a decade" factor Yeah I guess there is that though players usually show loyalty to the team that drafted them even when it's undeserved. Tavares looks set to cling to the Isles despite them being mismanaged for years
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Ginette Reno posted:Yeah I guess there is that though players usually show loyalty to the team that drafted them even when it's undeserved. Tavares looks set to cling to the Isles despite them being mismanaged for years Sure. But this group is also trying to correct 10 years of desert wandering kicked off specifically by a generational talent in Pronger saying "nah im good, peace". A lot of the decisions theyve made (smart or stupid) I think are being made in the specific context of "keep mcdavid happy at any loving cost whatsoever"
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The Golden Man posted:Sure. But this group is also trying to correct 10 years of desert wandering kicked off specifically by a generational talent in Pronger saying "nah im good, peace". A lot of the decisions theyve made (smart or stupid) I think are being made in the specific context of "keep mcdavid happy at any loving cost whatsoever" it reflects a lot on the organization that their solutions to the Keep McDavid problem were "give him quality top line wingers, like milan lucic and patrick maroon"
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Aye Doc posted:it reflects a lot on the organization that their solutions to the Keep McDavid problem were "give him quality top line wingers, like milan lucic and patrick maroon" Milan Lucic and Patrick Maroon rule
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The Golden Man posted:Sure. But this group is also trying to correct 10 years of desert wandering kicked off specifically by a generational talent in Pronger saying "nah im good, peace". A lot of the decisions theyve made (smart or stupid) I think are being made in the specific context of "keep mcdavid happy at any loving cost whatsoever" It's not the worst philosophy to have. The Penguins do things the same way even when it means doing dumb things like putting old rear end Kunitz with Crosby just because that's what Sid likes. It took two years of Kunitz sucking for that to finally stop. Also I miss Pronger. There's a lot of poo poo heels in the league now that need a good stomping.
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Aye Doc posted:it reflects a lot on the organization that their solutions to the Keep McDavid problem were "give him quality top line wingers, like milan lucic and patrick maroon" also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6QF6wMsK60
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Aye Doc posted:https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/863056515716001793 god drat
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While Chia liked Lucic obviously I'd bet significant dinero they asked McDavid if he wanted to play with Lucic before they signed him. Keep the boy happy
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Aye Doc posted:https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/863056515716001793 their goalies cost 3 million more than their d corp
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niemi getting bought out now, bishop getting bought out in 5 years
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4-6 million over 6 years looks like a standard deal for 30 year old starting goalies. crawford, smith, schneider, howard, dubnyk
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hifi posted:4-6 million over 6 years looks like a standard deal for 30 year old starting goalies. crawford, smith, schneider, howard, dubnyk The money is fine if you're not Dallas.
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Ginette Reno posted:Also I miss Pronger. There's a lot of poo poo heels in the league now that need a good stomping. 1 Pronger would still be in Anaheim 2. You can't stomp teammates I miss Pronger too.
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Don't slam your dick into that live outlet, Jim. You've don't it twice, you know exactly how it will turn out. Oh, FFS.
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Jonny Nox posted:1 Pronger would still be in Anaheim Pronger pretty much single handedly made Michael Leighton a good goalie in 2010. I sure as gently caress miss him.
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Infidel Castro posted:Pronger pretty much single handedly made Michael Leighton a good goalie in 2010. I sure as gently caress miss him. gently caress, looking back it felt like he dragged the whole team kicking and screaming to the end of that entire season
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Good soup! posted:gently caress, looking back it felt like he dragged the whole team kicking and screaming to the end of that entire season Yeah, he tended to do that everywhere he went. Well, except Phoenix.
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