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Kyrosiris posted:Zarya/Varian/Auriel/Valla/Murky vs Genji/Anub/Malf/Abathur/Xul on Sky Temple. I can't tell which team you think is unfairly advantaged.
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SKULL.GIF posted:I can't tell which team you think is unfairly advantaged. I didn't think there was anything unfair about it (though the Genji team ended up winning - this is HGC stuff) but it was funny as poo poo to watch. Double Genji. 
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May 12, 2017 18:55
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Nephzinho posted:She was first pick/ban for a long time like a year ago. Which was mostly because of battle momentum reducing the CD on Shadowstalk at the time. She was a solid solo healer, with a global team HoT + short term invis that seemed to be off of CD whenever you wanted it. Also rewind + owl sniping an abathur. Those were the days. e: the more I think about it, the more I love that supports are sort of getting less heal bot oriented and more enabling oriented. Sure they still heal. But Uther's strength is the mitigation from Devotion, Tass has shields and vision, Tyrande cranks up the team's damage (although you can still dump a lot of healing out if you're good at stutter stepping). More enablers and less heal bots would be awesome and fun and good. As it stands the two support meta seems to focus on just making two teams unable to kill the other until one team's support's blue bars are gone because of all of the healing only supports. That's kind of boring to watch and to play. NeurosisHead fucked around with this message at 19:07 on May 12, 2017 |
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Kyrosiris posted:I didn't think there was anything unfair about it (though the Genji team ended up winning - this is HGC stuff) but it was funny as poo poo to watch. Oh I interpreted it as a complaint about matchmaking, my bad. Yeah Abathur is a frequent pick in HGC because of being able to copy Greymane, and now Genji I guess. Glad to see he found his niche, wish Blizzard would buff Monstrosity a bit.
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IcePhoenix posted:She was one of the first heroes I played when I started playing again after 2.0 and is still my only level 10 hero, and I've been wondering why more people didn't play her. Because she still can't heal very well or mitigate damage and people lean on a support for that in QM. I used to like her a lot in the early days of HotS, back during the stun meta and then later when her global heal was amazing/she was admittedly broken. As is, she really struggles as a lone support, though has a drafting niche. If you're playing against a team that can dive or melt you before you get into range for her mark, you just wind up being a lovely assassin. Rework seems to be boosting her up to crazy damage. My favorite era of Tyrande really was when she felt like a flex character that could easily spec to fill what your team needed. A sort of jack of all trades support that had marginal utility as a back up for either more CC, healing, siege/structure damage, or team fight damage, but would really only excel at one of those per match.
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Coolness Averted posted:Because she still can't heal very well or mitigate damage and people lean on a support for that in QM. I used to like her a lot in the early days of HotS, back during the stun meta and then later when her global heal was amazing/she was admittedly broken. As is, she really struggles as a lone support, though has a drafting niche. If you're playing against a team that can dive or melt you before you get into range for her mark, you just wind up being a lovely assassin. Rework seems to be boosting her up to crazy damage. All I see here is "dummies didn't go full owl and are bad at skillshots"
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Coolness Averted posted:My favorite era of Tyrande really was when she felt like a flex character that could easily spec to fill what your team needed. A sort of jack of all trades support that had marginal utility as a back up for either more CC, healing, siege/structure damage, or team fight damage, but would really only excel at one of those per match. Yeah, that Tyrande was a true "multiclass" character and not the forced implementation they tried with Varian.
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Fellatio del Toro posted:To answer seriously: The color coding system allows the 5% of annoying weirdos who really need everyone to know what level they are to have a cool purple border or whatever while in reality no one else cares enough to know what the colors actually mean. The purpose is to dramatically cut down on the "they have +50 levels loving GG" while also placating the hardcore DOTA rejects. See also: COD prestige emblems When you put it like that I actually like it? I'd feel bad seeing people on the other team whose level was like eight times mine, but the way it's presented has less of that immediate impact. It's a nice little psychological thing.
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I've forced myself to take RoD on a few Gul'dan games, it definitely forces a lot of counter play on every cast. Still will be taking Horrify on Sonya and the like, but against teams where I have relative safety and don't see Horrify as a free kill/get out of jail free card I think I'll be giving it a better shot.
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May 12, 2017 20:21
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Spudd posted:We've got four elements of Mage now right? Karl'thas fire, Jaina frost, Li-Ming arcane and Gul'Dan fel. I'd really like Khadgar to be a hero with dad jokes for every other hero but I don't know what mage he would be. Presumably WoW style arcane mage, with building up arcane charges. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Mengsk, Deathwing, and Stukov are the three heroes that have had assets in the client for almost a year that haven't been released yet, so he is definitely on the radar. Vote Overmind for core replacement hero.  Also; Firebat, Malthael, Kel'Thuzad! 
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PureRok posted:Wish they were in the same order to make it easier to compare. As you wish... code:Goon favorite maps: 73% Infernal Shrines 73% Sky Temple 72% Tomb of the Spider Queen 63% Battlefield of Eternity 58% Dragon Shire 56% Cursed Hollow 53% Towers of Doom 42% Braxis Holdout 40% Blackheart's Bay 22% Garden of Terror 19% Warhead Junction 17% Hanamura 14% Haunted Mines Reddit map preference: 77% Tomb of the Spider Queen 70% Infernal Shrines 69% Dragon Shire 69% Cursed Hollow 63% Battlefield of Eternity 59% Sky Temple 51% Towers of Doom 36% Braxis Holdout 33% Blackheart's Bay 22% Warhead Junction 20% Haunted Mines 19% Garden of Terror 13% Hanamura Raw data
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Polio Vax Scene posted:There's OP, and there's The DotA solution Polio Vax Scene posted:"doing everything another role can do but better while also doing your original role" OP. The LoL solution. 
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May 12, 2017 20:28
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I couldn't complete the survey because I only like two maps
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May 12, 2017 20:28
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Spider Queen sucks. Give me giant maps and impactful objectives all day, errydey.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Spider Queen sucks. Spider Queen has a very impactful objective and is a constant dance of ganks and rotations. Great map.
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May 12, 2017 21:21
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It's exhausting like the hour long dragon shrine fights.
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May 12, 2017 21:25
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Towers of Doom is by far the best map.
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Fuzz posted:Towers of Doom is by far the best map. It's funny because there was a reddit thread on the map rotation woes and people over there haaaaaaaate Towers of Doom.
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May 12, 2017 22:23
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Towers of Doom is great because pushing matters so incredibly much on that map and even at Diamond many players haven't figured it out yet. Seizing a fort is an extreme blow to the enemy team that they will spend tons of time recovering from. That combined with the general compactness means there's a ton of rotating and ganking. Then you add in the altars to concentrate teamfights on, and it's all around a great experience.
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May 12, 2017 22:25
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I think towers is a better small map than spider butts
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May 12, 2017 22:31
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I played a towers of doom game one time and there was a Greymane on the other team that would kill a tower before I could even come up from the bottom. The dude too down like four towers over the course of the game.
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Do you guys have any tips for Towers of Doom or a link to a good guide? I was looking at my stats yesterday and saw that it was my lowest win rate map by a large margin.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Towers of Doom is great because pushing matters so incredibly much on that map and even at Diamond many players haven't figured it out yet. Seizing a fort is an extreme blow to the enemy team that they will spend tons of time recovering from. What? The map is so small and forts die so fast that it's basically meaningless to take one other than right before an altar.
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Cuntellectual posted:What? The map is so small and forts die so fast that it's basically meaningless to take one other than right before an altar. Forts only die quickly to certain heroes, and besides that's 1 to 3 heroes that're busy capturing forts and not ganking you or stopping pushes elsewhere or doing anything else relevant to the match. Also, if you snatch a fort at the right time then you can push the enemy team into a vicious loop of recapturing forts right as you capture another fort.
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Cuntellectual posted:What? The map is so small and forts die so fast that it's basically meaningless to take one other than right before an altar. You force the enemy team into spending too much time on re-capturing their own forts and it makes your shrine captures better. You can also capture their other forts while they defend and put them on the back foot the entire game (they still have to wait the 30ish seconds for the fort to spawn). Or you can capture the bottom fort and aggressively defend it while pushing with camps, forcing the other team to constantly defend or eat some shots and it puts them at a disadvantage the entire time because they'll be fighting on top of your fort. Taking forts is a huge part of the map, the creep/shrines are there to reward you with extra shots for taking forts. edit: unlike hanamura where laning phase is pretty poo poo AlphaKeny1 fucked around with this message at 23:34 on May 12, 2017 |
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BrianBoitano posted:
Yet another confirmation that goons are terrible. e: http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20783380/the-nexus-is-shifting-battleground-rotations-5-12-2017 9 map rotations in the future instead of 6. Musluk fucked around with this message at 23:20 on May 12, 2017 |
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Not to mention if you take the bottom/top keeps the camps will count as extra shots on their core if they get to the end of the lane. Taking the bottom keep is great value.
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Musluk posted:Yet another confirmation that goons are terrible. my idea for map rotations: rotate out garden of terror, and then never rotate it back in. perfect map pool.
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Musluk posted:Yet another confirmation that goons are terrible. At least they're talking now, but the new map rotation is almost as bad if not worse. It doesn't include Dragon Shire or Blackheart's Bay? Those are classic, great maps. I might end up playing less because of this.
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Why not just let people ban 2 maps from their rotation when they queue? 
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I could tell you which maps I liked the most and which I disliked the most and it would probably be directly correlated to the amount of times I won on that map.
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Minrad posted:my idea for map rotations: rotate out garden of terror, and then never rotate it back in. perfect map pool. 
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I'll be honest, I dig Towers and Tomb of the Spider Queen but I don't think I've ever had an enjoyable game on Dragon Shire. Maybe it's a map that doesn't shine unless you're playing with an organized team but every game I've ever had on it has just been an interminable series of slapfights around the shrines and people failing to activate the dragon and I'm pretty sure the last game I played of it nobody even claimed the first objective until it was level 13 or something dumb, it was a huge mess.
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Cuntellectual posted:Why not just let people ban 2 maps from their rotation when they queue? too many deck slots
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Kai Tave posted:I'll be honest, I dig Towers and Tomb of the Spider Queen but I don't think I've ever had an enjoyable game on Dragon Shire. Maybe it's a map that doesn't shine unless you're playing with an organized team but every game I've ever had on it has just been an interminable series of slapfights around the shrines and people failing to activate the dragon and I'm pretty sure the last game I played of it nobody even claimed the first objective until it was level 13 or something dumb, it was a huge mess. You shouldn't really try to claim the dragon early, its more valuable to put the other team off base defending stuff and pushing top or bot.
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Playing this Nova brawl for the first time... I get why it has to be on Towers of Doom but it really needs to be on the one lane aram map.
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Nephzinho posted:You shouldn't really try to claim the dragon early, its more valuable to put the other team off base defending stuff and pushing top or bot. early Dragon is like the first Punisher, way too weak to really accomplish anything. At least an early Dragon is going to take two, maybe three towers, instead of leaping into the enemy team and dying instantly to the fort.
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if only sc2, the game hots was built on the back of, had some way to veto maps. oh well.
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Minrad posted:if only sc2, the game hots was built on the back of, had some way to veto maps. what a shame
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like it even solves the "problem" of people all vetoing a map and the people that like it can't play it: it just makes the vetoed maps less likely to come up, you can still get them. forcing people to play maps that they think are bad is just dumb though.
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