Ginette Reno posted:

Reading some of the comments from the Caps exit interviews today and it sounded like Shattenkirk is pretty set on testing free agency (aka going to the Rangers) whereas Oshie would prefer to stay in Washington.

Aye Doc posted:

https://twitter.com/imfleming16/status/862072339118379009

oh no baby what! is you doin

Porrima posted:

"I do not understand/trust factual data; I rather trust people in positions of authority when they say something"

Mind_Taker posted:

-The half of America that voted for Donald J. Trump

Aye Doc posted:

victor hedman's visor got cracked in a game he was playing and jesus christ look how close this was to ruining all his god drat poo poo

https://twitter.com/jimmywixtrom/status/863087337240244224

Mind_Taker posted:

Yeah Shattenkirk is gone. Oshie sounds like he wants to stay but if the Capitals can't/won't make a competitive offer I find it hard to believe Oshie turning down millions of dollars.

Jamwad Hilder posted:

that's going to be a gnarly supervillain scar


maybe it's wishful thinking but I think Oshie might take less than expected to stay in Washington. Jokes about the Caps choking aside, realistically it's one of the better teams to be on if you want a chance to win a Cup.

Mind_Taker posted:

Yeah Shattenkirk is gone. Oshie sounds like he wants to stay but if the Capitals can't/won't make a competitive offer I find it hard to believe Oshie turning down millions of dollars.

Ginette Reno posted:

Yeah I'm not sure how they fit even one of them in right now. Maybe they buy out Orpik to squeeze out a little bit more cap space but then they'd have to replace him and Shattenkirk both (not to mention Alzner) and I'm unfamiliar with the Caps system and whether they have the guys to do that.

Levitate posted:

ban all visors

for what it's worth Larry Brooks who does have some insight into the Rangers thinking about a few things (if you can sort out his info from his speculation) has been adamant that the Rangers are not interested in paying a big cost for Shattenkirk. If he wants $6+ mill per year he doesn't think they'll bite

Jamwad Hilder posted:

They'll have close to 23 million in cap space this summer. The priority is Kuznetsov/Burakovsky/Orlov, but even if they get generous raises there should still be more than enough left over for Oshie with change to spare on depth players.

Ginette Reno posted:

You forgot Schmidt as well who I assume they will very much want to keep. I assume Kuznetsov gets like 6 mil or so, Orlov 3-4, Burakovsky 3 or so, and Schmidt 2-3. So you probably have something like 11-14 million or so depending tied up in those four guys. Add Oshie at 5-6 million and you're suddenly pretty tight up against the Cap while still needing to replace Williams, Winnik, Alzner, and Shattenkirk.

Grubauer is also an RFA but I assume Vegas will take him though I guess it's possible they lean elsewhere. Connolly too but he should also be dirt cheap and if not they'll tell him to gently caress off.

I think it can be done to keep Oshie but it's gonna require some good luck with the RFAs.

Matt Zerella posted:

Yeah, this has been sustaining me so far seeing that. But I'm also worried they're going to pay more than 3-3.5 for BSmith

Jamwad Hilder posted:

Yeah definitely, but they also have a handful younger guys in Hershey who are probably ready and will push for roster spots in the bottom 6 this coming year. Vrana, Barber, Boyd, Stephenson, O'Brien, etc

Porrima posted:

There's a comment in that twitter thread to the style of "I would never trust a chart like this over the decisions of the front office" and LMAO in every response to replies to him.
While comments are never good and people are stupid, it somehow really pisses me off that there are (many?) people basically saying: "I do not understand/trust factual data; I rather trust people in positions of authority when they say something"

Duck Rodgers posted:

To be fair, unless you know how those stats are developed you're not really trusting factual data, you're trusting the people who made that chart. I doubt many people know what goes into those stats. Who the gently caress know what AxA% is anyway? So (most) people are still trusting an authority to tell them what's right.

Mind_Taker posted:

I'm not really sold on their AHL talent at forward. Aside from Vrana those guys are very unimpressive IMO. They should certainly get their shots but I'm not expecting much.

I mentioned this before but I really think they need to look at trading Carlson. He's a UFA next season and he's going to be getting a huge contract and I'm not really sure he's going to deserve it. He's not really a #1D. He's more similar to Shattenkirk in that he's a nice complementary player but he doesn't drive possession and he's not really very good defensively. If Adam Larsson can return Taylor Hall then trading Carlson should net a great return as well. D is a position of strength for the Capitals (Orlov, Schmidt, and Niskanen is a great base to work from and I like their defensive prospects) but their forwards need help, especially if both Oshie and Williams walk.

Jamwad Hilder posted:

At some point the Caps just can't be so ridiculously deep though. There are weaknesses in their forward group, for sure, but I struggle to think of a deeper team in the league in terms of the talent they can ice on all four lines. Pittsburgh and Chicago, I guess? At some point, basically this offseason really, it's just not going to be feasibly anymore and they're going to need to plug in more AHL guys who maybe aren't as good.

Agreed on Carlson, although I don't think he'll net as much as Larsson did. It just feels like that trade was such an anomaly that you can't use it as a basis for "you should give us X for Carlson because New Jersey got Taylor Hall for Larsson" - yknow?

Mind_Taker posted:

Not saying they can get Taylor Hall for Carlson but there have to be several teams looking for a RD who can play on the PP and would be willing to give up a good forward in order to make it work. Toronto and Tampa Bay come to mind but I'm sure there are others.

I guess I just don't want to see the Capitals half-rear end it. Their AHL forwards probably aren't good enough on a competitive team so they either need to reload and try one or two final times with Ovechkin which would mean acquiring a few more good forwards, or blow it up completely.

Shinjobi posted:

Jim Nil does go money gooder

I am going to choose to be optimistic about Bishop. I am making that choice.

Shinjobi posted:

Jim Nil does go money gooder

I am going to choose to be optimistic about Bishop. I am making that choice.

Shinjobi posted:

*kicks down the door*

I AM PTEPARED TO HATE [insert goalie here] HALF AS MUCH AS I HATE NIEMI AND LEHTONEN

Jamwad Hilder posted:

At some point the Caps just can't be so ridiculously deep though. There are weaknesses in their forward group, for sure, but I struggle to think of a deeper team in the league in terms of the talent they can ice on all four lines. Pittsburgh and Chicago, I guess? At some point, basically this offseason really, it's just not going to be feasibly anymore and they're going to need to plug in more AHL guys who maybe aren't as good.

Agreed on Carlson, although I don't think he'll net as much as Larsson did. It just feels like that trade was such an anomaly that you can't use it as a basis for "you should give us X for Carlson because New Jersey got Taylor Hall for Larsson" - yknow?

Suspicious posted:

I hope the Montreal Canadien Hockey Club does something about the whole "trade talented players and sign useless puchmen" thing.

Zodijackylite posted:

Holden scored 11g 23a this year and has a cap hit of 1.65m for one year. Based on that career year, he's got more trade value than the 4th round pick they traded for him.
Klein slowed down a lot but is still a serviceable RHD with GRIT and a cap hit of 2.9m for one more year, he just hasn't really fit in NY this year.
Girardi is old and slow but at least he's serviceable with McDonagh. He has a partial NTC starting this summer and is signed for three more years.
Staal is signed for four more years with a NMC and just needs a change of scenery, or at least that's what we'll be telling everyone who plays with his brothers.
Kampfer just signed a two-year, two-way extension and seems like a perfect guy to compete for a #6/7 spot with the rookies they're looking to bring in.
Clendening is a RFA so I guess he's sticking around or getting traded for Danny Kristo.

Glambags posted:

All of these guys suck

JawKnee posted:

Ginette Reno posted:

Reading some of the comments from the Caps exit interviews today and it sounded like Shattenkirk is pretty set on testing free agency (aka going to the Rangers) whereas Oshie would prefer to stay in Washington.

fits posted:

https://twitter.com/SWhyno/status/863049607424638977

do it gmgm