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Is Ryan Gosling already supposed to be a replicant? Because he doesn't seem to show any emotion at all.
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Neo Rasa posted:With Blade Runner's aesthetic's roots coming from 70s and early early 80s French comics I'm not surprised to see the sequel potentially still using "Oriental stuff" as a signifier for being in an exotic world beleaguered white people must put up with. So if the film has a bunch of east asians, it's racist. On the other hand, if it has a paucity of east asians, it's racist.
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May 14, 2017 03:55
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Wizchine posted:So if the film has a bunch of east asians, it's racist. On the other hand, if it has a paucity of east asians, it's racist. That is my understanding.
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May 14, 2017 04:09
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Wizchine posted:So if the film has a bunch of east asians, it's racist. On the other hand, if it has a paucity of east asians, it's racist. Cacator posted:That is my understanding. LMAO I'm speaking more of the music and ambiance but sure okay.
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May 14, 2017 04:30
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Woof Blitzer posted:Is Ryan Gosling already supposed to be a replicant? Because he doesn't seem to show any emotion at all.
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May 14, 2017 04:59
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In a surprise twist Gosling's character is a Nexus 5 model, but no one notices. If he was Nexus 6 he'd be human enough to stand out.
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May 14, 2017 05:04
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Gosling is such an obvious replicant that at this point I'd be actively disappointed if he isn't human and this is somehow a twist
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May 14, 2017 05:15
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Maybe both a human and replicant Gosling feature prominently and the trailer just doesn't make that obvious. Like in Dead Ringers we're not sure from scene to scene which one is a human and which one is just a ghost...in the shell.
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May 14, 2017 05:35
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Gosling is such an obvious replicant that at this point I'd be actively disappointed if he isn't human and this is somehow a twist Also I heard a new Blade Runner movie is coming out.
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May 14, 2017 05:48
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Neo Rasa posted:With Blade Runner's aesthetic's roots coming from 70s and early early 80s French comics I'm not surprised to see the sequel potentially still using "Oriental stuff" as a signifier for being in an exotic world beleaguered white people must put up with. The asian influence in Blade Runner came out of a period where Japan's consumer goods economy was dominant and China was just emerging as a manufacturing powerhouse, why is why Atari and Toshiba seemingly rule the world in 2019 Los Angeles. It was their attempt to predict how cultures would blend in the future.
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May 14, 2017 13:12
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exquisite tea posted:The asian influence in Blade Runner came out of a period where Japan's consumer goods economy was dominant and China was just emerging as a manufacturing powerhouse, why is why Atari and Toshiba seemingly rule the world in 2019 Los Angeles. It was their attempt to predict how cultures would blend in the future. See also: every movie from the 70s and 80s where gaggles of Japanese tourists show up taking pictures of everything.
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May 14, 2017 16:19
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exquisite tea posted:The asian influence in Blade Runner came out of a period where Japan's consumer goods economy was dominant and China was just emerging as a manufacturing powerhouse, why is why Atari and Toshiba seemingly rule the world in 2019 Los Angeles. It was their attempt to predict how cultures would blend in the future. Of course, but growing up at the time this was always couched in terms of "those drat Japanese/Chinese (often used interchangeably) people took over," and I'm sure that's effected how I look at movies (even one like Blade Runner which is my favorite movie ever). It's hard for me to not get that vibe from almost anything made during what was the peak Japan bashing period of modern times.
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May 14, 2017 16:29
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U kno why there no Asian extras in movie? Because sequel movie shot in Belgium not Hollywood
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May 14, 2017 19:16
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atrus50 posted:U kno why there no Asian extras in movie? Because sequel movie shot in Belgium not Hollywood Actually, it's because hollywood jews are trying to instigate a race war by making racist movies for profit.
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May 14, 2017 19:21
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James Hong is still alive and kicking, surely they could have brought him back too?
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May 14, 2017 19:40
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Cacator posted:James Hong is still alive and kicking, surely they could have brought him back too? It's implied that they killed him. It's in the original script, I think, where his body is found frozen.
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May 14, 2017 23:28
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I just wish the Blade Runner Man wasn't so violent.
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May 15, 2017 01:48
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Neo Rasa posted:Of course, but growing up at the time this was always couched in terms of "those drat Japanese/Chinese (often used interchangeably) people took over," and I'm sure that's effected how I look at movies (even one like Blade Runner which is my favorite movie ever). It's hard for me to not get that vibe from almost anything made during what was the peak Japan bashing period of modern times. I never got that vibe from Blade Runner though. My feeling is the popular media push-back came a little later. Gung Ho was released in 1986, Ridley Scott's own Black Rain is from 1989, and the penultimate was Rising Sun, published in 1992 Alternatively, maybe because I was raised in Torrance, with a sizable group of Japanese- and Korean-American friends, it never stuck out to me. 
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May 15, 2017 02:50
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Having read noire fiction between my last viewing of Blade Runner and now when I am not watching Blade Runner I think you get more out of Blade: Runner. There's a lot of the L.A. Noire series influence in there, such as the Black Dahlia looking female lead who in the books is a symbol of male possession of women.
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May 15, 2017 03:23
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Wizchine posted:I never got that vibe from Blade Runner though. My feeling is the popular media push-back came a little later. Gung Ho was released in 1986, Ridley Scott's own Black Rain is from 1989, and the penultimate was Rising Sun, published in 1992 You can see examples of the popular media pushback as early as 1981, where only a white dude was noble enough to master Japanese arts and use them for justice in Enter the Ninja, which started the juxtaposition of Japan bashing and holy poo poo ninja are the coolest thing throughout the 80s in the US. I was still in Brooklyn at the time myself, which is a super diverse place on paper, but in practice especially at the time practically had visible borders from neighborhood to neighborhood and I grew up in Bensonhurst which was peak a "drat all these Asians taking over our fair city!" kind of place.* So a lot of media that I'm sure wasn't intended to be would be treated as it was and discussed with me as if it was when I was a kid. Japan bashing wasn't in the may not have been in the mainstream media as much until the mid 80s and early 90s, but you could definitely say it was a thing from the late 70s to the early 90s even if Gung Ho/etc. wasn't out yet and there wasn't evening news footage of people sledgehammering Toyota cars. Anyway to bring this back to Blade Runner and the sometimes Orientalist roots of its own aesthetic, that's all I was talking about, not that there are too many white people in either movie or whatever people were saying. I wonder if this sequel ended up getting pushed back/didn't happen for a few year we'd be getting a straight adaptation of the novel Blade Runner instead - cool thriller about a "Blade Runner" one of several agents who smuggle medical supplies to back alley street docs in a world where only the super rich can afford healthcare. *Hilariously despite there having been a sizable Chinese population there literally forever, there are people that still feel this way. When I worked there again the early 2010s you'd see like 14 year old kids already randomly like "these drat Chinese are taking over," a whole new generation. :/ I forget the name, China Girl? The Abel Ferrara movie that was Romeo and Juliet set in Chinatown/Little Italy, should be required viewing in schools.
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May 15, 2017 05:44
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There is a BLADE RUNNER 2049 Making-Of Featurette out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BUozYf9w0Y and its looking more interesting for sure. I'm digging the Frank Sinatra holo vid at the start, and the visual theme they seem to be going for with this one. Not quite sold on the reworking of Vangelis's score though.
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Jun 21, 2017 22:57
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I wouldn't guessed that those cityscapes were miniatures if they didn't have the shot of the crew walking around them.
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Jun 22, 2017 05:00
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Do you think people will be able to afford baths in the future?
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Jun 23, 2017 03:56
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i think orientalism in movies is interesting as long as it doesn't fall to a certain level. Let's keep it at Mr. Tojamura and not Diane
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Jun 23, 2017 23:05
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Also if it had a different title I don't know how I would be able to to tell it wasn't Total Recall 2
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Jun 23, 2017 23:11
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Lawrence Gilchrist posted:Also if it had a different title I don't know how I would be able to to tell it wasn't Total Recall 2 It looking like a sequel to a popular Philip K. Dick adaptation is not necessarily a fault. 
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Jun 23, 2017 23:29
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Lawrence Gilchrist posted:i think orientalism in movies is interesting as long as it doesn't fall to a certain level. Let's keep it at Mr. Tojamura and not Diane How is Diane worse than a white woman in japan-face literally putting on a horrible accent
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Jun 24, 2017 01:17
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JockstrapManthrust posted:There is a BLADE RUNNER 2049 Making-Of Featurette out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BUozYf9w0Y and its looking more interesting for sure. This film is either going to be good or loving suck. The expectations are too high for an average response. Also, Deckard is a replicant, right?
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Jun 26, 2017 12:57
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https://twitter.com/sequentialmatt/status/758026570757910529
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Jun 26, 2017 21:52
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RedSpider posted:Also, Deckard is a replicant, right? Villeneuve wanted to leave it ambiguous, but then Ridley happened: quote:IGN: At what point while making the original film did you decide that Deckard would be a Replicant?
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Jun 27, 2017 08:21
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Ridley is cool
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Jun 27, 2017 15:39
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SUNKOS posted:Villeneuve wanted to leave it ambiguous, but then Ridley happened: Scott is a national treasure for the delivery of that anecdote.
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Jun 27, 2017 15:47
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Now I want Ridley Scott to direct the live action Beavis and Butthead film.
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Jun 27, 2017 16:18
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SUNKOS posted:Villeneuve wanted to leave it ambiguous, but then Ridley happened: Ridley Scott ownes so much.
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Jun 27, 2017 16:44
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Consider that Scott is a hack and he only retroactively came up with the idea to make Deckard a replicant, which adds nothing to the film's thesis. Yet he thinks it does.
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Jul 3, 2017 01:32
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Ridley is free to think and say whatever. The original Blade Runner is an excellent film and if the guy that directed it did so with the intention of Deckard being a replicant then that's fine. Ridley's more recent output has been dreadful though, and I don't think he should be meddling with the script of 2049 when Villeneuve has proven himself as an incredibly talented director that deserves complete creative control over the movie. Ridley seems to have an unusual obsession with revisiting his old works and stripping away the mystery behind them, which has gone terribly for Alien, and it would be a shame to see the new Blade Runner movie dragged down by his interference when he should be kept as far away from it as possible. It's a shame Villeneuve can't just do whatever he wants here.
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Jul 3, 2017 01:57
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Scott stating decades later that Deckard is a replicant doesn't change the film one whit. I do like his recent output though :/
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Jul 3, 2017 02:00
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Yaws posted:I do like his recent output though :/ Goddamn it.
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Jul 3, 2017 02:55
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Alien Covenant is great.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Gosling is such an obvious replicant that at this point I'd be actively disappointed if he isn't human and this is somehow a twist
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