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big scary monsters posted:I'm sorry, it is not allowed to like both Burzum and Celeste. You must choose your side: TRV CVLT or false poser who is destroying black metal. Oh, definitely false poser. I don't even own a denim jacket with Darkthrone & Bathory patches.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Thornberry is a very good speaker, she's been mooted before because of that She can sound good but she also often gets a case of the Abbotts. I'm on the fence.
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IDK I think the main news story from that might just be how she swore. The ambush was sweet though.
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baka kaba posted:Reminder that Miliband's Labour threw her under a bus to agree that Farage and the Tories had a very good point about her and Labour hating the working class To be fair my annoyance over that probably contributes to me liking her. It was unbelievable that Miliband would sack a shadow minister for a picture with the caption 'Image from #Rochester' because it conveyed a 'sense of disrespect'. It was a PR disaster and really showed how pathetically Labour would try to court the approval of completely hostile newspapers.
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forkboy84 posted:Oh, definitely false poser. I don't even own a denim jacket with Darkthrone & Bathory patches. It's the right choice, cos Celeste own and it's a big regret of mine that I was too hungover to make it to their show when they played Temples in Bristol.
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jabby posted:To be fair my annoyance over that probably contributes to me liking her. It was unbelievable that Miliband would sack a shadow minister for a picture with the caption 'Image from #Rochester' because it conveyed a 'sense of disrespect'. It was a PR disaster and really showed how pathetically Labour would try to court the approval of completely hostile newspapers. That was just a double disaster because it resulted in 'What happens when I see a white van? I feel respect'. What made it a disaster and a sacking offence though was that rather than just make an apology and let the whole thing fade away, Thornberry doubled down on her comments. That's a) poor instincts, and b) means she'll never get the white working class vote that half of labour's core. The next Labour leader can't be one of the Islington set. They all have a crippling ineligibility of some sort.
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Alchenar posted:That was just a double disaster because it resulted in 'What happens when I see a white van? I feel respect'. What made it a disaster and a sacking offence though was that rather than just make an apology and let the whole thing fade away, Thornberry doubled down on her comments. That's a) poor instincts, and b) means she'll never get the white working class vote that half of labour's core. I can't actually remember what Thornberry said at the time. How do you double down on 'Image from #Rochester', it seems about as neutral a comment as you can get?
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Alchenar posted:That was just a double disaster because it resulted in 'What happens when I see a white van? I feel respect'. What made it a disaster and a sacking offence though was that rather than just make an apology and let the whole thing fade away, Thornberry doubled down on her comments. That's a) poor instincts, and b) means she'll never get the white working class vote that half of labour's core. Speaking as a member of the white working class, please don't speak for me.
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White van men are cunts
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jabby posted:I can't actually remember what Thornberry said at the time. How do you double down on 'Image from #Rochester', it seems about as neutral a comment as you can get? It's a dog whistle sneer, which everyone noticed immediately. Her explanation was "It was a house covered in British flags. I've never seen anything like it before. It had three huge flags covering the whole house. I thought it was remarkable. I've never seen a house completely covered in flags."
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May 14, 2017 15:51
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Agreed she should have just called the guy a oval office like he is. What sort of oval office hangs 3 flags ffs
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Alchenar posted:It's a dog whistle sneer, which everyone noticed immediately. Her explanation was "It was a house covered in British flags. I've never seen anything like it before. It had three huge flags covering the whole house. I thought it was remarkable. I've never seen a house completely covered in flags." That's because people who drape their house in flags are complete bellends.
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Alchenar posted:It's a dog whistle sneer, which everyone noticed immediately. Her explanation was "It was a house covered in British flags. I've never seen anything like it before. It had three huge flags covering the whole house. I thought it was remarkable. I've never seen a house completely covered in flags." I haven't seen a house completely covered in flags either. It is entirely notable and frankly it is bizarre behaviour. Never even saw anything like that living in Glasgow, a place where flags are quite important to certain groups, to an extent I'd assumed was second only to Belfast. It looks like a house on the Shankill Road. This seems the most tepid doubling down ever unless you are The Sun or The Mail & are intentionally looking for reasons to be mad at Labour MPs.
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Jose posted:Agreed she should have just called the guy a oval office like he is. What sort of oval office hangs 3 flags ffs It might happen next time she is on Marr.
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also lol https://twitter.com/swrain79/status...D166%23lastpost
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Oberleutnant posted:Anime is bad, but video games: theyre good. But if their anime and video games?
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Also worth noting is that she liked to tweet about buildings and interesting things she saw. https://storify.com/shivmalik/emily-thornberry-tweets-alot-about-buildings-and-s
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Alchenar posted:It's a dog whistle sneer, which everyone noticed immediately. Her explanation was "It was a house covered in British flags. I've never seen anything like it before. It had three huge flags covering the whole house. I thought it was remarkable. I've never seen a house completely covered in flags." "It's a dog whistle sneer" says person who unironically makes reference to "the white working class"
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Alchenar posted:It's a dog whistle sneer, which everyone noticed immediately. Her explanation was "It was a house covered in British flags. I've never seen anything like it before. It had three huge flags covering the whole house. I thought it was remarkable. I've never seen a house completely covered in flags." She tweeted dozens of images that day with similar captions because she was out campaigning and taking pictures as she went. It was not a sneer until the media made it one.
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It was a timing thing as well cause it happened at the same time Reckless won the rochester byelection for UKIP
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Alchenar posted:It's a dog whistle sneer, which everyone noticed immediately. Her explanation was "It was a house covered in British flags. I've never seen anything like it before. It had three huge flags covering the whole house. I thought it was remarkable. I've never seen a house completely covered in flags." By 'everyone noticed' you mean Cameron and Farage saw an opportunity for some lip-trembling populist outrage, which Labour basically copped to - how's that good politics? Her entire Twitter feed leading up to that pic was more of the same, lots of snapshots of the communities she was canvassing, including other pictures of houses with stuff hanging off them (someone had a sheet with something written on it, and she'd put a comment to a friend with 'this reminded me of you' or something like that). In context there wasn't anything particularly notable about that one tweet, unless you wanted to read something into it to push a very specific story. Which is exactly what Labour's rivals did, and they didn't even try to argue WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Also worth noting is that she liked to tweet about buildings and interesting things she saw. https://twitter.com/EmilyThornberry/status/472289666461601792 Look at this dogwhistle sneering at Britane's proud millers baka kaba fucked around with this message at 16:28 on May 14, 2017 |
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They stitched her right up with that photo, it hit exactly like they wanted it to. But that's what the press will do really, I'm not sure what's being argued here
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an only slightly tangential thought: it's been a loooooong time since a Labour MP could do things like this quote:The Labour canvassers talked with awe of their candidate's encounter with a send-them-home voter the previous day. "The difference between you and me," said Mr Marshall-Andrews, "is that you are a racist and I am not." and still ride comfortably to victory over the Tory candidate (he went on to defeat Mark Reckless comfortably, by 49% to 39%)
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"The jury's still out on Rafiq Hariri" claims Stuart Rain
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Hoops posted:They stitched her right up with that photo, it hit exactly like they wanted it to. But that's what the press will do really, I'm not sure what's being argued here What's being argued is that Labour was poo poo for basically going 'uhhh, uhhh, yeah loving Thornberry, we'll get rid of her!' and admitting to the lazy accusations. All that did was feed the narrative that Labour was elitist and out of touch and just pandering to the working class to get votes
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baka kaba posted:What's being argued is that Labour was poo poo for basically going 'uhhh, uhhh, yeah loving Thornberry, we'll get rid of her!' and admitting to the lazy accusations. All that did was feed the narrative that Labour was elitist and out of touch and just pandering to the working class to get votes To be fair that narrative did describe New Labour pretty well.
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*extremely David Cameron voice* Ed Miliband's appearance proves he is out of touch with ordinary working people *Ed appears hours later, head shaved and wearing a potato sack* h-hell yea I'm working class
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Benjamin Arthur posted:To be fair that narrative did describe New Labour pretty well. unfortunately, at the time of the incident it was the Labour left candidate actively trying to to win a GE; said candidate did not need more unforced errors from subordinates. Farage and co. were seizing upon it to bash Miliband. Thornberry's resignation statement was straightforward and strikes me as about right: quote:Earlier today I sent a tweet which has caused offence to some people. That was never my intention and I have apologised. However, I will not let anything distract from Labour’s chance to win the coming general election.
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baka kaba posted:*extremely David Cameron voice* Ed Miliband's appearance proves he is out of touch with ordinary working people Be fair. Cameron would be on that throne surrounded by gold or whatever it was when he said it
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ronya posted:unfortunately, at the time of the incident it was the Labour left candidate actively trying to to win a GE; said candidate did not need more unforced errors from subordinates. Farage and co. were seizing upon it to bash Miliband. The whole thing would have blown over in 24 hours if Labour had simply responded truthfully, which is that she was tweeting a whole bunch of images and thought a house with three flags was noteworthy. No disrespect intended, only a moron would suggest a cabinet minister should step down over such a thing. That's what they should have done. Instead Ed was so wrapped up with trying to 'win over' a press that any idiot could see was never going to give him any credit that he sacked (forced out) Thornberry in a disgraceful display of abandonment. He even agreed with the newspapers that smeared her, thus creating 'white van gate' and forever tarnishing her reputation as a politician. In that light it quite makes sense that she ended up throwing her lot in with Corbyn. EDIT: Paddy Ashdown has been boldly making the case that Britain is stuffed with centrist voters that have no-one to turn to and desperately need someone to represent them. But they don't vote for the Lib Dems because reasons. Paddy Ashdown posted:Here is the point that really strikes me is that the vast majority, thousands, millions perhaps, of people who are moderate, who do believe in those quintessential British values, who represent what is the centre of gravity of our country, by the way, where elections are won, now don't find any party that they want to put their voice behind. jabby fucked around with this message at 16:57 on May 14, 2017 |
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Went to a labour rally today which had Paul mason give a speech, really good and gave everyone a lot of energy. Was thinking that this election might end IP with literally nobody happy - labour lose around 20 seats and the Tories gain around the same amount, which after all the hype about a 150 seat majority will be a disappointment. The SNP lose a few and the lib dems only pick up a handful. Every one goes home pretty disappointed.
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jabby posted:Paddy Ashdown has been boldly making the case that Britain is stuffed with centrist voters that have no-one to turn to and desperately need someone to represent them. But they don't vote for the Lib Dems because reasons.
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Someone has uploaded to youtube the entire BBC election night coverage of the 83, 92 and 97 elections. I'm trying to work out if I'm a big enough nerd to sit through 9 hours a time of coverage through the years.
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https://twitter.com/ruthdavidsonmsp/status/863663807859757056 https://twitter.com/thalestral/status/863690782972227584 Someone tell me again about how Ruth Davidson is one of the good ones.
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This is why Grammar schools need to be reinstated. Horrible comma placement.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:This is why Grammar schools need to be reinstated. Horrible comma placement. It's the inverted commas that are missing.
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Skinty McEdger posted:Someone has uploaded to youtube the entire BBC election night coverage of the 83, 92 and 97 elections. I'm trying to work out if I'm a big enough nerd to sit through 9 hours a time of coverage through the years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJX7FPhMJPw watch this instead
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Alchenar posted:It's the inverted commas that are missing. Comma should also be after, 'but,' and, 'peace.'
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jabby posted:The whole thing would have blown over in 24 hours if Labour had simply responded truthfully, which is that she was tweeting a whole bunch of images and thought a house with three flags was noteworthy. No disrespect intended, only a moron would suggest a cabinet minister should step down over such a thing. That's what they should have done. it wouldn't have blown over - every subsequent campaign trail event on law-and-order issues would have the addendum "with the Shadow Attorney General Emily Thornberry, who is widely said to have etc etc. Mr Miliband has denied that these remarks were disrespectful." the main people who can remember who a shadow cabinet member was a month ago are not marginal voters
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