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Kalenn Istarion posted:Why would an all-star d man go to an expansion team $ e: also Vegas
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Kalenn Istarion posted:I'd love for the leafs to pick up a guy like shattenkirk Because vegas needs to get to the floor and are going to overpay basically everyone they get
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May 14, 2017 00:57
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Kalenn Istarion posted:Why would an all-star d man go to an expansion team Jeff Finger money
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May 14, 2017 01:02
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The only reason I would be okay with taking Shattenkirk is if he replaced one Hunwick or Polak. If that's not happening then hell no.
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May 14, 2017 01:14
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Stretch Marx posted:The only reason I would be okay with taking Shattenkirk is if he replaced one Hunwick or Polak. If that's not happening then hell no. I would assume a guy of his talent would at minimum push them down the order
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May 14, 2017 01:28
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I thought Shattenkirk was actually pretty good for Washington. Anyone is going to look worse alongside Brooks Orpik and when he was with Schmidt surprise he looked pretty good again. Not going to be a stud #1 anywhere but as a #2 or #3 you could do a whole lot worse.
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May 14, 2017 01:32
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DJExile posted:Because vegas needs to get to the floor and are going to overpay basically everyone they get they only need like 6 million to get to the cap when you add the expansion draft minimum cap floor and the russian they signed. they can sign him during the expansion draft free agent period but then they don't get to pry a rfa/under contract guy from washington
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May 14, 2017 01:34
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Oh man Anderson under loving siege.whoops not the GDT
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Mind_Taker posted:I thought Shattenkirk was actually pretty good for Washington. Anyone is going to look worse alongside Brooks Orpik and when he was with Schmidt surprise he looked pretty good again. This is true. Still, with the way he shat the bed up during the play offs, I'm not holding my breath.
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May 14, 2017 01:50
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Glambags posted:All of these guys suck This is true, but they could make a decent bottom pairing if they picked two of them who are not Clendening, who sucks.
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May 14, 2017 04:04
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I don't know where the Shattenkirk being interested in Vegas stuff is coming from. That's not how I read his comments at all. He sounded much more inclined to go to a team where he knew what to expect as far as role and everything else.
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May 14, 2017 04:09
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 this is what the end of oliver ekman larsson's stick looks like. you can watch the video here but it's in swedish
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May 14, 2017 17:22
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hifi posted:they only need like 6 million to get to the cap when you add the expansion draft minimum cap floor and the russian they signed. they can sign him during the expansion draft free agent period but then they don't get to pry a rfa/under contract guy from washington Yeah this really is A Thing I think. Last year as soon as the Penguins got rid of Rob Scuderi's desiccated corpse, within a couple weeks people were writing "Wow, Kris Letang is playing amazing hockey!" articles. Then after the Kings inexplicably picked him up, they spiraled toward a quick first round exit while people started writing "hey, what's wrong with Drew Doughty?" articles.
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May 14, 2017 19:29
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Shattenkirk is not the type of D-Man Toronto needs, they need somebody who does the defensive part of their job well like Justin Braun or Chris Tanev.
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May 14, 2017 19:41
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hifi posted:
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May 14, 2017 21:01
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Shattenkirk is not the type of D-Man Toronto needs, they need somebody who does the defensive part of their job well like Justin Braun or Chris Tanev. On the other hand, having someone who could add even more to toronto's offensive capability would be ok with me, because offence is more fun than defence.
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May 14, 2017 22:14
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Kalenn Istarion posted:On the other hand, having someone who could add even more to toronto's offensive capability would be ok with me, because offence is more fun than defence. Yeah, but if you wanna have offense, first you have to get the puck. Having your amazing scorers stand there and watch the other team take shots at the goalie isn't going to get em any cups.
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May 14, 2017 22:18
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Powershift posted:Yeah, but if you wanna have offense, first you have to get the puck. This. We have Reilly and Gardiner as primary puck moving defensemen already. We need someone who is great at defense to take over the 3rd string so Reilly, Gardiner, and Zaitsev aren't playing 30+ minutes. If that person can score then all the better. But I think we should should focus on the defense for the last grouping. Someone who can give Hyman and Komarov help during penalty kills instead of merely being there.
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May 14, 2017 22:43
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Stretch Marx posted:This. We have Reilly and Gardiner as primary puck moving defensemen already. We need someone who is great at defense to take over the 3rd string so Reilly, Gardiner, and Zaitsev aren't playing 30+ minutes. If that person can score then all the better. But I think we should should focus on the defense for the last grouping. Someone who can give Hyman and Komarov help during penalty kills instead of merely being there. Zaitsev and Carrick are also better playing that style than they are in their own zone. While there's something to be said for getting the best talent and figuring what to do with them, you probably want some sort of diversification in skill set so that your top-5 all aren't similar guys at different skill levels. Also adding a great PP QB adds less marginal value to a team like the Leafs that already has a real good PP, especially if they keep running a 4-forward system, than he would to a team where he can really turn a unit around.
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May 14, 2017 23:23
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Someone is going to overpay for Shattenkirk to be a number one defenseman and then be very disappointed when they find that isn't his ideal role.
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May 15, 2017 01:59
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Schremp Howard posted:Someone is going to overpay for Shattenkirk to be a number one defenseman and then be very disappointed when they find that isn't his ideal role. Are they?  Seems pretty good to me. He's probably worth a good chunk of change just because of his abilities as a #1 pp qb if nothing else.
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May 15, 2017 02:26
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Ginette Reno posted:Are they? for blues with >450 minutes TOI he's first in o zone start % and last in d zone start %. context
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May 15, 2017 02:38
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hifi posted:for blues with >450 minutes TOI he's first in o zone start % and last in d zone start %. context Because he produces a ridiculous amount of points when you deploy him that way. Still real valuable.
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May 15, 2017 02:42
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Shattenkirk is going to get paid a lot of money to be really good next to McDonagh or Skjei. gently caress I spelled "Girardi" wrong again
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May 15, 2017 02:44
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Ginette Reno posted:Because he produces a ridiculous amount of points when you deploy him that way. Still real valuable. Sure but nobody calls yandle or schultz a #1 defensemen
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May 15, 2017 02:44
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hifi posted:Sure but nobody calls yandle or schultz a #1 defensemen Letang gets almost as many o-zone starts as Schultz. And even Karlsson who plays like half the game gets more o-zone starts than anyone on Ottawa except for Wideman/Claesson.
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May 15, 2017 02:49
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I'd like the Leafs to avoid making any big free agent signings until Matthews, Marner & Nylander are locked up long term. With that said if there's somebody out there that can replace Hunwick and Polak for a reasonable price I'm all for it
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May 15, 2017 04:46
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Yeah I get that Shattenkirk will put up a bunch of points and that is good value. He's going to be the premier free agent defenseman available, so some team will get into a bidding war and sign him for like 6.5 or so. Karlsson got 6.5 (granted a few years ago) as an RFA. Letang 7.25 when he could haven been a UFA. Obviously it's difficult to compare contracts signed years apart, but we can agree that Karlsson and Letang (when healthy) are in another tier above Shattenkirk. Even Doughty "only" got 7. Basically I think Shattenkirk is a soft option for a #1 D. He's really better off going somewhere where he can continue to take the load offensively as a #2 and not worry about the tough assignments. But hes cashing in at the right time and is going to get paid and someone's going to be pissed about it at the end of the day.
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May 15, 2017 04:51
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i've always liked shattenkirk and thought he'd look great paired with vlasic
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May 15, 2017 05:42
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tofes posted:i've always liked shattenkirk and thought he'd look great paired with vlasic Shattenklasic Vlattenkirk
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Schremp Howard posted:Basically I think Shattenkirk is a soft option for a #1 D. He's really better off going somewhere where he can continue to take the load offensively as a #2 and not worry about the tough assignments. But hes cashing in at the right time and is going to get paid and someone's going to be pissed about it at the end of the day. i mean that's what he'd be on the Rangers. i would imagine he'd get a lot of ozone time as the second pair guy with skjei. mcdonagh and whatever corpse they strap onto him would get the hard stuff
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May 15, 2017 08:25
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I think he's best off making 9m a year with the Devils
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May 15, 2017 14:55
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A team that tries to use Shattenkirk against the other teams' best forwards every night is going to be very disappointed.
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T-Bone posted:I think he's best off making 9m a year with the Devils Yeah I've always thought the Devils make the most sense for Shattenkirk. They can afford to overpay him and they pretty badly need help on the blue line.
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May 15, 2017 15:23
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bewbies posted:A team that tries to use Shattenkirk against the other teams' best forwards every night is going to be very disappointed. we cannot possibly be more disappointed than we already are
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May 15, 2017 15:43
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Shatty is a great Phil Housley for a team that can afford that luxury.
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May 15, 2017 15:48
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Phil Housley was a decent Devil for all of his 22 games with the team
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May 15, 2017 15:59
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I'm flying out to Calgary on business this Friday and connecting through Montreal. How much fun am I gonna have at customs in MTL if I wear a nordiques hat and owen nolan jersey? 
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May 15, 2017 16:38
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DJExile posted:I'm flying out to Calgary on business this Friday and connecting through Montreal. How much fun am I gonna have at customs in MTL if I wear a nordiques hat and owen nolan jersey? I mean if you're going that route you might as well step up and go with the Roy Avalanche jersey. Don't forget to carry a knife.
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Stretch Marx posted:I mean if you're going that route you might as well step up and go with the Roy Avalanche jersey. Don't forget to carry a knife. lol duly noted
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