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I was kinda hoping she would figure it out from David actually stapling his injuries while Walter just self healed when he got stabbed by David. but I guess that was too easy. Sometimes I feel like some scripts could do with some serious reviews before they actualy start filming. But what else is new right? I have to admit I sat on the edge of my seat when David was facing off with the white proto alien. Nice bit of tension there. Still liked it, but if you start overthinking it, it kinda falls apart and you just have to accept the flaws and enjoy the cools bits.
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Jethz posted:I was kinda hoping she would figure it out from David actually stapling his injuries while Walter just self healed when he got stabbed by David. but I guess that was too easy. He could tell she was suspicious, which is why he then said 'It was my -->DUTY<--' and the camera lingered on his severed hand to emphasise he was the good boy friendly android White Rabbit posted:She mentions the lake cabin she wanted to build upon arrival and he doesnt know what the gently caress. Yes they've spent several hours - maybe days actually - together after they got back to the ship, and she figures it out only after trapping herself in a stasis chamber because of a bullshit talking point. Franchise fans couldn't stop QQing that Prometheus only indirectly linked back to Alien though, I'm fairly sure having the mainline Xenomorphs turn up and mirk some dudes in Xenomorph ways was a studio stipulation for the film being made. I agree the film would have been much better as a direct Prometheus sequel though, it's pretty clear the filmmakers were way more interested in cycles of life and David being a weirdo than they were rehashing Alien for the n-th time
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Nroo posted:This is the kind of info I was looking for, thanks. Don't listen to that dweeb about AvP()R, the theatrical cut is a garbage fire. The uncut version of the film is great, but has the predator as the main character, all about it's quest, the humans are just in the background. The theatrical cut took a bunch of the predator's story out, tried to make the humans the focus and that the predator hunting them down for no reason. Like, I saw the theatrical after seeing uncut first, and it's obscene how butchered the film is. Steve2911 posted:So other than the major trailers I pretty much went into this blind. Ah and just last week everyone was posting how it seems they had seen the entire film due to the trailers.
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wyoming posted:Ah and just last week everyone was posting how it seems they had seen the entire film due to the trailers. That's fair. It's a shame Ridley couldn't have just made Prometheus 2 though. This would've been a stronger film if they didn't need to get a load of slasher film Xeno footage to fill the trailers with.
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wyoming posted:Don't listen to that dweeb about AvP()R, the theatrical cut is a garbage fire. Where did you find the uncut version? That sounds really interesting but all I'm seeing with a lite google search is a unrated version of the movie.
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BexGu posted:Where did you find the uncut version? That sounds really interesting but all I'm seeing with a lite google search is a unrated version of the movie. It was streaming on HBO earlier this year. Some of the blurays seem to have both versions of the film though.
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Paragon8 posted:If the next Alien isn't set in a creepy hive-ified Covenant centred around Daniels and Tennessee waking up or having some salvage team discover it they'll be missing a major trick but that'd draw heavily from Cameron's vision Probably a safe bet to assume that none of those people on the Covenant are waking up again, ever. If they're lucky they'll die in their sleep. I am loathe to think of what sort of twisted poo poo David can get up to with 1000 human embryos, a bunch of Black goo, and nothing but time on his hands.
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Steve2911 posted:That's fair. It's a shame Ridley couldn't have just made Prometheus 2 though. This would've been a stronger film if they didn't need to get a load of slasher film Xeno footage to fill the trailers with. Slippery slope. Next movie will be overly Prometheus.
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May 15, 2017 16:22
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The MSJ posted:It was inspired by Ezra Miller in Fantastic Beasts. He is such a doofy-looking dude. It's like Adam Driver and DJ Qualls got blended in David Brundle's Telepod.
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Shaocaholica posted:Slippery slope. Next movie will be overly Prometheus. If that's the film he wants to make that's fine. I didn't get the impression that the film we got this time around was what he wanted to do.
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Steve2911 posted:If that's the film he wants to make that's fine. I didn't get the impression that the film we got this time around was what he wanted to do. These movies have been weird for him. He initially wanted to have the xeno in Prometheus but Fox wanted him to completely remove it. He re-worked everything around the premise of the xeno not being in there and wanted to tell a different, more interesting story. Then after Prom came out everyone was saying "where the gently caress is the xeno?". quote:"What changed was the reaction to Prometheus, which was a pretty good ground zero reaction. It went straight up there, and we discovered from it that [the fans] were really frustrated. Alien Covenant is the end result of Fox meddling in poo poo and then having to backpeddle to please fans.
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wyoming posted:Don't listen to that dweeb about AvP()R, the theatrical cut is a garbage fire. Don't listen to this guy regardless, all cuts of AvP-R is a garbage fire for idiots.
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Timby posted:He is such a doofy-looking dude. It's like Adam Driver and DJ Qualls got blended in David Brundle's Telepod. Seth Brundle. More importantly though, that is hilariously accurate.
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Movie isn't out in America yet. I have the buy the time somehow. Which did include watching AvP-R last night and it's really bad and ugly and every creature effect looks horrific. The Aliens stumble around. It's really embarrassing. It's like that fan film S.E.E.D that came out years ago.
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On a similar note(in the US) loving YouTube channels talking about Cov spoilers right in the title. So even if I skip the video contents I still have to read the spoiler title. Guh.
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Plavski posted:These movies have been weird for him. He initially wanted to have the xeno in Prometheus but Fox wanted him to completely remove it. He re-worked everything around the premise of the xeno not being in there and wanted to tell a different, more interesting story. Then after Prom came out everyone was saying "where the gently caress is the xeno?". I don't know that premise is accurate. Every interview with Scott after Prometheus indicated it was more or less the story he wanted to tell and if anything the Xeno being shoehorned in at the end was a Fox thing, not the opposite. He wanted to tell the story of the Engineers, wrapped in a larger context. In one interview he mentioned an idea they had but dropped where the Engineers were bent on punishing humanity because they killed one of their representatives - meaning, Jesus was an Engineer. I am totally not making this up, that's what he said: http://www.fandango.com/movie-news/interview-sir-ridley-scott-explains-prometheus-explores-our-past-and-teases-future-alien-stories-716238 Apparently made it as far as an early script. It's too simple to say "Covenant is Scott's Attack of the Clones - a bad attempt at fan service after the first one". For one I don't think he takes fan reactions that personally.
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So the alien only kills people if they pose a threat. Otherwise it will try to capture them? Or kill and eat? What does the extended universe say? Alien3 alien seemed to like to nibble on people but also killed quite a few unarmed english men.
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Ixian posted:I don't know that premise is accurate. Every interview with Scott after Prometheus indicated it was more or less the story he wanted to tell and if anything the Xeno being shoehorned in at the end was a Fox thing, not the opposite. This is what Scott said about fans: quote:The fans, in a funny kind of way – they’re not the final word – but they are the reflection of your doubts about something, and then you realise ‘I was wrong’ or ‘I was right’. I think that’s where it comes in. I think you’re not sensible if you don’t actually take [the fans’ reaction] into account. And re: Fox removing the xeno: quote:I did have facehuggers in my original draft... The creature did change in some pretty dramatic ways from draft to draft. But the most dramatic change was the removal of the xenomorph from the film. That was a shift that happened at the same time as I stepped off the film. A lot of that push came from the studio very high up; they were interested in doing something original and not one more franchise film. That really came to a head at the studio - the major push to focus on the new mythology of 'Prometheus' and dial the Aliens as far back as we could came down from the studio. http://screencrush.com/prometheus-behind-the-scenes-facehuggers/
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Shaocaholica posted:So the alien only kills people if they pose a threat. Otherwise it will try to capture them? Or kill and eat? What does the extended universe say? Alien3 alien seemed to like to nibble on people but also killed quite a few unarmed english men. It's not really clear. In the original Alien it kidnaps Brett and Dallas but then it pretty blatantly murders Parker and does whatever the gently caress it does to Lambert. The Aliens in Aliens kidnap everyone they can and the only person they kill onscreen intentionally is the airship pilot. (Which can be written off as trying to prevent the escape of the others.) So basically they do whatever the gently caress they want, they aliens man.
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ImpAtom posted:It's not really clear. In the original Alien it kidnaps Brett and Dallas but then it pretty blatantly murders Parker and does whatever the gently caress it does to Lambert. The Aliens in Aliens kidnap everyone they can and the only person they kill onscreen intentionally is the airship pilot. (Which can be written off as trying to prevent the escape of the others.) We get the double-jaw funtimes with Burk and Gorman.
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Plavski posted:This is what Scott said about fans: That second quote is Jon Spaihts, by the way.
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LesterGroans posted:That second quote is Jon Spaihts, by the way. Indeed it is.
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ImpAtom posted:It's not really clear. In the original Alien it kidnaps Brett and Dallas but then it pretty blatantly murders Parker and does whatever the gently caress it does to Lambert. The Aliens in Aliens kidnap everyone they can and the only person they kill onscreen intentionally is the airship pilot. (Which can be written off as trying to prevent the escape of the others.) "Don't kill me bro!" *alien carries victim to be implanted* *victim whips out concealed taser*
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Plavski posted:We get the double-jaw funtimes with Burk and Gorman. Burke gets carried off though even with the double-jaw. (At least if you go by the deleted scene.) Apparently that poo poo ain't inherently lethal.
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If you want head canon (heh) explanation, I think of it as a little headbutt that knocks you out. But it can also shoot through your brain if it wants you dead.
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ImpAtom posted:Burke gets carried off though even with the double-jaw. (At least if you go by the deleted scene.) Apparently that poo poo ain't inherently lethal. Aliens is a weirdly bloodless movie, like Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The amount of real blood in both is pretty limited for their reputations. In Aliens, as you say, most everyone just gets carted off and gobbed on. In Chainsaw, it's just a few bits here and there for spice. vv If you watch it again, he gets double jawed just before the explosion, but as Imp says, that wasn't enough to kill Burke, so maybe he was just gonna give 'em the old stone cold stunner. Plavski fucked around with this message at 22:08 on May 15, 2017 |
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May 15, 2017 21:56
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Gorman didn't get double-jawed. He got blowed up.
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Gargamel Gibson posted:Gorman didn't get double-jawed. He got blowed up. Could be both.
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Plavski posted:Aliens is a weirdly bloodless movie, like Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The amount of real blood in both is pretty limited for their reputations. In Aliens, as you say, most everyone just gets carted off and gobbed on. In Chainsaw, it's just a few bits here and there for spice. Yeah, the only real moments of blood are the splatter from the double-jaw, the chestburster and (technically) Bishop being ripped in half. Everyone else either dies a fairly bloodless death except maybe Drake who gets a pretty nasty one but more of a gross makeup effect than gore. Also worth noting is that the Aliens don't actually kill anyone during the big slaughter in the hive. Everyone who dies onscreen is the side effect of friendly fire. The others are just dragged away.
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Lol if they had 1000 disposable troops they could have rescued them all and surgically fixed the ones that were impregnated. Everyone gets a shotgun and a tracker. They can't grab them all!
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Shaocaholica posted:Lol if they had 1000 disposable troops they could have rescued them all and surgically fixed the ones that were impregnated. Everyone gets a shotgun and a tracker. They can't grab them all! A 'troop surge', if you will
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Would love to see this just to see hordes of xenomorphs resorting to the facehugger pie to the face technique seen at the one minute mark of this AvP: Evolution trailer to keep up the pace. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POBuDhrIKyY
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Huh I didn't realise AC wasn't out in the US yet. That explains the relative lack of chatter. After mulling it over I'm not sure whether I despise the film for what it was or respect what it clearly wanted to be.
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Shaocaholica posted:I guess nobody ever made a good AvP game where you can play horde as marines against aliens with auto turrets and more than 3? marines? Natural Selection 2, its got auto turrets and marines in spades.
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Neo Rasa posted:Would love to see this just to see hordes of xenomorphs resorting to the facehugger pie to the face technique seen at the one minute mark of this AvP: Evolution trailer to keep up the pace. Yeah that facehugger dunk was awesome
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