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surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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heyo pagancow, i need a consult on the following products:
http://www.dell.com/ed/business/p/dell-u3417w-monitor/pd
http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/dell-canvas-kv2718d/pd

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madeupfred
Oct 10, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

pagancow posted:

hmm subtitles out of safe frame,
subtitles that color that shows up good on NTSC, but somehow is projected on an HDTV image
arial font rendering
no dropshadow/box


madeupfred
Oct 10, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
Rebuild font cache m'lady???

hifi
Jul 25, 2012

i've never had to rebuild my font cache

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

i unironically really like this thread

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

pagancow posted:

most monitors decay past calibratibility after 4 years. CCFL backlights die in 5 years, so have fun.

i've never seen a dead ccfl that wasn't just a bad cap

my apple cinema displays are still going strong.

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?
you can replace the ccfl backlight with LED, xiphmont sourced some for refurbishing ThinkPad displays

cowboy beepboop
Feb 24, 2001

when my u2711 dies i will probably get a "5k" dell or whatever is available

Doom Mathematic
Sep 2, 2008

Bloody posted:

doesnt have 4000 pixels on either side, it is not 4k

Did you know? The ray in a Blu-ray player isn't blue.

Seamonster
Apr 30, 2007

IMMER SIEGREICH

~Coxy posted:

i've never seen a dead ccfl that wasn't just a bad cap

my apple cinema displays are still going strong.

You got that 30 incher? 2560x1600 loving proest resolution for such a long time.

I'm looking to go UHD but can't find anything in the 34-36 inch size that would be "deskable" for me with no scaling. Watching alot of 1080p content and I want to be able to snap it to a corner and leave the other 75% for work.

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie


Wide displays are bad, I had to use one unironically for a week straight, and they are just never tall enough, and the extra wideness doesn't really help at all. Most games don't support the extra pixels, and you're throwing away extra GPU time on it since you never look at them.

The Drawing tablet seems iffy at best. There's no hardware LUT and they list absolutely no specs, so lets hope a thing you are supposed to draw on can create a gamma correct greyscale at least otherwise the whole thing is trash.

The drawable Centiques from a few years ago could barely do a proper grey scale, and the gap between screen and drawing was super bad.

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

before yall go "pagancow help me with this gimmick trash monitor is it gud?"

1) Search model number + tftcentral. If there is no review, it's either not out yet or not even worth buying
2) If it doesn't have a hardware LUT it's gamer trash stuff you can't rely on.

ShinsoBEAM!
Nov 6, 2008

"Even if this body of mine is turned to dust, I will defend my country."

pagancow posted:

There are cheaper gamer trash monitors than this if you really think your game is somehow being hampered by response time instead of your ability to git gud

fraud spotted, input lag is what gamers care about not response time

RISCy Business
Jun 17, 2015

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Fun Shoe

ShinsoBEAM! posted:

fraud spotted, input lag is what gamers care about not response time

and refresh rate, BITCH!!!!

ShinsoBEAM!
Nov 6, 2008

"Even if this body of mine is turned to dust, I will defend my country."

my goth gf posted:

and refresh rate, BITCH!!!!

*busts out 144Hz CRT

git apologist
Jun 4, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 8 hours!
I have a Dell U2515H hooked up with DP to my MBP OP. I have another one the same waiting for me when I get to my new house on the otehr side of the world so I can have a more advanced spergstation

Does this make me a monitor sub or dom

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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pagancow posted:

Wide displays are bad, I had to use one unironically for a week straight, and they are just never tall enough, and the extra wideness doesn't really help at all. Most games don't support the extra pixels, and you're throwing away extra GPU time on it since you never look at them.

The Drawing tablet seems iffy at best. There's no hardware LUT and they list absolutely no specs, so lets hope a thing you are supposed to draw on can create a gamma correct greyscale at least otherwise the whole thing is trash.

The drawable Centiques from a few years ago could barely do a proper grey scale, and the gap between screen and drawing was super bad.

:tipshat:

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

ShinsoBEAM! posted:

fraud spotted, input lag is what gamers care about not response time

There is not a professional monitor shipping with more than 25ms "input lag" right now Part of that calculation is the screen refresh time.

pro monitors have even lower input lag times because they dont have to process the image to make it look good

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




pagancow posted:

There is not a professional monitor shipping with more than 25ms "input lag" right now Part of that calculation is the screen refresh time.

pro monitors have even lower input lag times because they dont have to process the image to make it look good

25 is awful tho

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

mine is 16ms. which is one frame. You can't get any faster than rendering one frame to the screen after input.

buying a monitor for input delay is dumb because it's always the refresh rate of the display, Input delay is only a thing for consumer trash tvs because they shove modes into it

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

lol if u think some chip from samsung or sony can render the video better than the guys hand mastering each frame at ILM.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




pagancow posted:

mine is 16ms. which is one frame. You can't get any faster than rendering one frame to the screen after input.

buying a monitor for input delay is dumb because it's always the refresh rate of the display, Input delay is only a thing for consumer trash tvs because they shove modes into it

16 is dece for 99% cases ya

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

pagancow posted:

mine is 16ms. which is one frame. You can't get any faster than rendering one frame to the screen after input.

buying a monitor for input delay is dumb because it's always the refresh rate of the display, Input delay is only a thing for consumer trash tvs because they shove modes into it

1 frame at....60hz lol

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Jun 17, 2015

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Fun Shoe
https://www.amazon.com/BenQ-Console-eSports-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B01H5KKRLY

my friend has one of these, we played fighting games on it and its good

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

pagancow posted:

lol if u think some chip from samsung or sony can render the video better than the guys hand mastering each frame at ILM.

i bet you think manual transmissions are more fuel efficient than modern automatics too :smug:

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

Salt Fish posted:

1 frame at....60hz lol

didn't have any problems winning at quake and doom with it

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Fun Shoe
[extremely pagancow voice] my artisanal, hand-mastered frames

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

mishaq posted:

i bet you think manual transmissions are more fuel efficient than modern automatics too :smug:

this is a false equivalency since the hand tweaking is like the modern automatic where an engineer hand placed the gear ratios and synchro timings for a specific performance requirement.

now someone color grading a live feed might be a better equivalency but lol who does that except sports?

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

RISCy Business posted:

[extremely pagancow voice] my artisanal, hand-mastered frames

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

pagancow posted:

this is a false equivalency since the hand tweaking is like the modern automatic where an engineer hand placed the gear ratios and synchro timings for a specific performance requirement.

now someone color grading a live feed might be a better equivalency but lol who does that except sports?

i definitely think a computer chip designed by korean/japanese engineers can more accurately do a task over some dumb human on a consistent basis

especially some flabby schulb at ILM, what have they done decent since the 80s anyway :smug:

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮
what's a halfway decent 4K TV for under 1 grand

I would like 55" but could go smaller I guess

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

Silver Alicorn posted:

what's a halfway decent 4K TV for under 1 grand

I would like 55" but could go smaller I guess

maybe the vizio M55-E0 [make sure you get this years model or else you get an android tablet instead of a remote]

if you could go smaller the sony 49x900e is like $1100 and pretty good

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Silver Alicorn posted:

what's a halfway decent 4K TV for under 1 grand

I would like 55" but could go smaller I guess

theres no point in 4k tellys

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

Silver Alicorn posted:

what's a halfway decent 4K TV for under 1 grand

I would like 55" but could go smaller I guess

lemme just check the wire cutter for you

not!!!

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

cinci zoo sniper posted:

theres no point in 4k tellys

hdr

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




whichever misuse or misconception of the elusive hdr this is, the reality is such that there is barely any 4k content that isn't upscaled

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

simple fact is that if you want a good tv in tyool 2017 you have to buy a 4k one there's a few decent 1080p models left but they have worse brightness, contrast and processing than 4k models

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

TVs are another bag of fuckery but

Theres 2 models out there with brightness levels over 1,000 nits for an average scene due to heat dissipation and other EU regulatory stuff like power consumption

http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/picture-quality/peak-brightness

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

Just keep in mind anything under 1000 nits is not considered HDR, and anything under 650 is not HDR for oled because special reasons

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qirex
Feb 15, 2001

pagancow posted:

Just keep in mind anything under 1000 nits is not considered HDR, and anything under 650 is not HDR for oled because special reasons
you seem to be confusing branded hdr standard dolby vision with the entire concept of increased dynamic range, it's a common mistake

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