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 I, Didi of the Ulema, support this. It seems like that might help our current and future situation out the best. Is there any way to make pious tech advances, though? I think every time we invited people of learning or technical expertise in an event we lost piety/favor with the Ulema/us?
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 I propose that we disinherit our current heir as soon as we are at 0 prestige. The single most important thing in the game is keeping up in mil tech, so far we've had a 0 and a 1 mil ruler, another 1 mil ruler will ensure we fall behind even further.
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I, Lutfi al-Uthman of the New Taifas, will openly admit that I was wrong about the Celts. I will stand by that it would've been a dumb decision to prematurely end the alliance, but I will say the Ulema turned out to have been right about them. Lord Cyrahzax posted:I agree with the sentiment here, but we must go further: Following that I will support this decision! If we are ever to stand a chance against the French we need to strengthen our position, which means expanding our military and ensuring our arms are at the innovative forefront.
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everydayfalls posted:A question. Do we need to specify that you need to keep exploring and colonizing or will you keep utilizing those resources? While I am sure we could specify a specific location at this point you would probably only have one or two options so it may not matter. No, you just had to specify whether we would go east or west last time. The Merchants decided on west, so that'll be our focus. Well there you go, then. Looks like Wallachia's missing one or two Hungarian provinces. hashashash fucked around with this message at 13:01 on May 16, 2017 |
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Policies:catlord posted:I propose that we massively increase our military research. If we can't trust anybody else, then we'll have to do this poo poo ourselves and we'll need a well trained and technologically advanced military to do so. catlord. Lord Cyrahzax posted:I, Ismail al-Cyrahzax, propose that we use the wealth that will surely be coming to us on a comprehensive program of military expansion and reform. We should build a barracks in the capital and in other population centers if possible, while also expanding the size of the standing army, recruiting better officers to lead it, drastically increasing our research into military technology, and maintaining a minimum amount of wealth for hiring auxiliary forces in times of crisis. Lord Cyrahzax, Viola the Mad, Rodyle, Sampatrick, Luhood. sheep-dodger posted:I propose that we disinherit our current heir as soon as we are at 0 prestige. sheep-dodger. Ralepozozaxe posted:I, Ralepozozaxe, The Dalai Ullama, propose that we increase our stability to +3 and keep it that high for at least ten years. Ralepozozaxe, Snipee, Erwin the German. Mountaineer posted:The hated French may have captured Andalusian land, but have they captured the hearts of the Andalusian people who live there? I think not, and our brothers in the occupied lands must already be plotting rebellion. Let us devote some resources to supporting rebels in France. Mountaineer, Slaan. AJ_Impy posted:I, Al-rusim khataan taht-Impy of the Ulama, propose a focus on Koranic study, general thorough education and upon investigating the entirety of the world as Allah would will us to do. Become the most scientifically and technologically advanced nation in Europe! AJ_Impy, devildragon777.  GunnerJ posted:Proposing the Grand Alliance policy: cultivate at least two military alliances, at least one of which must be with a Muslim power. the JJ, Dick Trauma, Ikasuhito, Frionnel, ShootaBoy. Mikl posted:I, Mi-al-kl of the Merchants, hereby propose the Any Port In A Storm policy. We must open our arms to our brothers belonging to the other People of the Book, who will be granted all the rights that belong to true-blooded Muslims... provided they pay a fee. Preferably a steep one. Mikl, paragon1, Soup du Jour. Crazycryodude posted:I, Crazycrodude of the League of Merchants, propose the Make Al-Andalus avante-Garde Again Policy. Crazycryodude, GunnerJ, Talas, RZApublican, Lynneth, Technowolf, HiHo ChiRho, Rubix Squid, WilliamAnderson. Hitlers Gay Secret posted:I'm dropping my previous policy for a new one: The Emerald Jihad Hitlers Gay Secret.
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devildragon777 posted:
I urge you to reconsider this vote since the Merchants League are already proposing this.
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:I agree with the sentiment here, but we must go further: Most of this isn't something that can really be done easily. Building barracks can of course be done, but is at odds with keeping a solid cash reserve. Expanding the army is useless if we're behind in mil tech (especially if it's a tactics tech, like we currently are), all we're going to do is feed more men into the meat grinder and accumulate more war exhaustion. Recruiting better officers is luck of the draw and costs mil points and as such is directly at odds with investing more into tech. And it didn't seem like our wise sultan wasn't already investing all our mil points into tech and generals, so in the end this proposal would not actually do that much towards making us competitive with France again. Instead we need to increase the amount of mil points we get monthly, so I ask the taifas to reconsider their votes and vote in favor of disinheriting our 1 mil heir.
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I'd like to point out for the council that no one has actually proposed dissolving the alliance with the Celts this time.
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I want to switch my vote to this as I agree with the necessity of removing our current heir, and I am assuming that the pro-stability policy would interfere with that goal. I didn't realize how behind we were. We must become more scientifically advanced in order to safeguard Islam.
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AJ_Impy posted:
Supported. Greed and a lust for glory are no substitute for knowledge.
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My fellow Ulama, why are you wasting your votes on a proposal of scientific advancement when the leading Merchants proposal does exactly the same thing? Hitlers Gay Secret posted:I'd like to point out for the council that no one has actually proposed dissolving the alliance with the Celts this time. Can't dissolve an alliance that no longer exists. The Celts broke it when they dishonored our call to arms against France.
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Brothers, fellow members of the Majlis. I, Dansar rabb al'Ustul Alttijari, am a man of the world and so I have seen many things and have visited many places. It pains me to state this, but al-Andalus has become a backwater. The Christian nations move away from the old feudal system into a centralized government, to great effect. Civil servants are now required to be trained for their job and their armies are led by a professional officer corps. Their armies have adapted pike and shot formations and cannons. Their battleships are much more capable than ours, and their merchant fleets employ a new, faster ship design called the caravel. We are behind the times. Meanwhile, the French wolf and its Iberian cubs look at us with hungry stares. The legacy of the Andalusian conquest and the resentment still fresh on their memories. Our celtic "allies" have proven traitorous, the Moroccans have proven incapable. Our primary concern must be to defend ourselves from this scourge. After all, there is only debt to be found in defeat. We must acquire at least military parity with the Christians, if we are to survive. Therefore, I, Dansar rabb al'Ustul Alttijari, of the League of Merchants, blessed may they be, propose that from now on, we prioritize military technology over all others, and hire a military advisor to further speed up the process of military modernization
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my friend would you trust the merchants for the advancement? All they will do is line their pockets while the faithful suffer!
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Mountaineer posted:Can't dissolve an alliance that no longer exists. The Celts broke it when they dishonored our call to arms against France. I forgot about that. Kind of a stupid mechanic; since the AI will call you in any battle.
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Mostly because I don't see how it makes sense to spend money funding rebels in France when they are still at the height of their power. We should fund rebels in their territory when their country is getting close to collapse, not when they just successfully defeated both us and Morocco in a single war. I mean, we are currently in the position where other great powers should be contemplating funding rebels in our territory, not vice versa. Also, we're broke. I rather we spend the money on technology, mosques, or barracks than on some moonshot against France. If we are to have any hopes of weakening France, we are going to have to improve our domestic situation before banking on expensive foreign projects.
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The session has closed, by the way, and it looks like the Grand Alliance policy, the Make Al-Andalus avante-Garde Again policy, AJ_Impy and Lord Cyrahzax's proposals have all passed. Barring another invasion, it looks like the next fifteen years will be spent in peace. I'll get an update out tomorrow.
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Chapter 5 – The Grand Alliance of the South – 1490 to 1506 The last decade of the fifteenth century begins with tragedy. Ayyub, Sultan Akkad’s eldest son and heir, passed away after a bout of illness, sending the palace into mourning. Akkad copes with it by distracting himself with the pleasures of his harem, and before long, he fathers another son.  As the grief-stricken Sultan Akkad withdraws himself from public life, the reigns of governance pass to the Majlis. Blame for the humiliating loss to the French had fallen squarely on the shoulders of the Merchants, so they began a program of reform and modernisation, appointing a prominent nobleman by the name of Rasiq Bilalid to drill the army.  At the same time, the Majlis also initiated the construction of barracks in all the most populous cities of Andalusia, most notably Qadis and Tulaytullah.   And slowly but surely, Al Andalus began to recover from the war and recuperate its losses. Prospects began to look up as manpower steadily recovered, new levies were recruited and drilled, and Rasiq personally trained the next generation of Andalusi officers. By early 1495, the last of the ill-advised war loans were finally paid off, making the crown solvent once more.  With the Sultanate no longer in debt, money could be invested into other avenues of interest, especially that of the military. Prominent members of the League of Merchants invited German contacts to do business in Qadis, and in return for hefty donations, these contacts brought technology and innovation with them.  More specifically, they brought mortars with them. These were the same weapons the French had used to barrage and blow apart the walls of Balansiyyah and Tulaytullah in the recent war, devastating and destructive. Five mortar regiments were quickly ordered, with foreign officers training the men who would operate them.  This was all well and good, but the fact of the matter was that France simply could not be matched on the battlefield, not whilst their alliance with Castille held fast. So at the behest of the Majlis, envoys were dispatched to increase relations with nearby kingdoms, seeking alliances and defensive pacts wherever possible. This bore fruit early in 1496, when the Emirate of Palermo reached out to Qadis for an alliance. Palermo was small and weak, its glory days far behind, but Al Andalus was in desperate need of allies, so the offer was accepted and an alliance forged.  Shortly afterwards, however, a surprise arrived in the form of Aragonese diplomats. Stretching back to their founding father in Cyneric the Bastard, the Kings of Aragon had always been staunch enemies to Al Andalus - until now. Overshadowed and threatened by the French and the Castilians, they were determined to negotiate an alliance with Al Andalus, and they offered to marry a young princess to the Sultan's brother to cement their newfound pact. Despite loud protests from the Taifas and Ulema, the Merchants recognised that a greater enemy now threatened both Al Andalus and Aragon, and decided that it would be useful to have an ally on the Iberian peninsula.  Meanwhile, in North Africa, the Sultanate of Morocco had been facing considerable internal problems. Precipitated by the French invasion, Tunisian nobles had rallied behind a local emir and rose up in a massive revolt, defeating the weakened Moroccan army in a string of battles.  The newly-independent Emir of Tunis was very hostile to both Morocco and Egypt, understandably. The Majlis sent an embassy to open relations with the emirate, and despite protests from the Almoravid Sultan, an alliance was signed between the two powers shortly afterwards.  Thus, by early 1497, Al Andalus had managed to form pacts uniting Palermo, Tunis, Morocco and Aragon into a grand alliance - an alliance that would later be dubbed the "Alliance of the South". Most of these states were small and weak, however, and the danger of it being unraveled was all too real. The greatest danger to Tunis, for example, was Crusader Egypt. The king in Alexandria had led several campaigns into the Levant, pushing beyond Jerusalem and conquering vast tracts of land from the Fatimid Caliphate. Its only real rivals were in Nicaea and Persia, both of whom were embroiled in wars of their own.  Back in Iberia, however, attention gradually began shifting back to the west. The nascent Andalusi colony in the Azores had blossomed over the past few years, with a stable population and heavy tolls exacted on shipping enabling it to become self-sufficient.  The Merchants didn’t stop there, however. The vast continents in the west were still beyond reach, but the Majlis was also eager to trade with the countries of West Africa, where countless tales of riches originated. To that end, a small trading post was constructed along the edge of the El Djouf desert.  The locals proved to be much more of a nuisance than the natives of the Azores, however, with the tribesmen carrying out several deadly raids, massacring hundreds of colonists as they did so.  Nevertheless, the trading post quickly proved to be a commercial success, attracting merchants and traders from the Jolof Sultanate. Maps of sea routes and coastlines were purchased from these merchants, making it significantly easier and safer for Andalusi explorers to make their way to the New World.  Further north, meanwhile, a tense peace between France and the Celtic Empire erupted into chaos as thousands of Frenchmen flooded into Brittany.  Allies were quickly called in on both sides, with Castille and Provence joining the French, and Lorraine and Gwynned rushing to the defense of the Celts. France would quickly occupy the rest of Brittany, but the British Isles would be off-bounds, with its fleet sunk by the Celts within days of the war breaking out.  In Al Andalus, spectators observed the war with interest, but no intention of intervening. No, resources would be channeled into colonies and trade, war simply wasn’t good for business. Whilst the Majlis solidified its hold on the government, Sultan Akkad focused on more artistic pursuits, becoming remarkably libertine as he became older.  He took a great interest in the arts, inviting painters from France, sculptors from Italy, philosophers from Germany, poets from Palermo and writers from Tunis to his courts.  Not only did he invite all manner of peoples, however, but he also commissioned outlandish and unprecedented architectural feats, such as the construction of entire palace in Tulaytullah solely for the women of his harem.  In fact, the Sultan gradually came to favour the pristine landscapes and vibrant culture of Tullaytullah over Qadis, which was crowded and chaotic by comparison. He became something of a patron to the city, ordering the construction of magnificent palaces and mosques, establishing airy gardens and public baths, and opening up new schools and universities.  Whilst the Sultan busied himself with his city, the attention of the Majlis was fixed to the east, where war had broken out yet again between Italy and Palermo. And this time, Pericles - styling himself as the great restorer of the Western Roman Empire - boasted of his intention to finally conquer all of Palermo.  As was expected, Emir Abdul-Rahman quickly dispatched envoys to Qadis, begging for aid to at the very least repel the Italians. Ordinarily, the Merchants would have adamantly refused to involve themselves in war. The Alliance of the South was still very young, but Al Andalus was on the rise again, and it needed to prove itself on the world stage, to showcase its modernised military, to reassert its influence abroad. After all, what’s the use of cannons if they’re never to be fired?  The call to arms were promptly accepted, and preparations for war were quickly underway. It took a couple months to ship over the expeditionary force, consisting of 24,000 trained and drilled levies, but a powerful fortress at Messina had kept the Italians at bay until then.  The Andalusi navy was quickly sent to patrol the coasts of Messina, to prevent reinforcements from pouring across the strait, whilst the Andalusi army marched across the width of the island to engage the Italians.  Ibn Sa’d led the Andalusi, and despite employing novel tactics and gaining the upper hand early on, the Italians managed to rally around their commander and launch several devastating counterattacks. The Andalusi retreated after three hours of heavy fighting, but despite losing the battle, they managed to inflict severe damage onto the Italian army, which lost 12,000 seasoned troops.  Towards the end of 1501, Ibn Sa’d felt confident enough to launch another attack, engaging the Italians in the second battle of Messina.  The battle opened with early victories for the Italians, but their firepower was outmatched by the Andalusi’s and their mortar divisions were quickly destroyed. The battle shifted in favour of the Muslims after that, with the enemy infantry routed after a couple hours of heavy fighting, before being thrown across the straits and back into Italy proper.   At the same time, the Andalusi navy had been pinned down by the smaller Papal fleet, though it easily gained the upper hand and forced the enemy to withdraw to Rome.   Back on the mainland, meanwhile, the Emir of Palermo launched an invasion into Italy, only to be brought short by a large Papal army. Ibn Sa’d rushed to reinforce the battle, scoring another impressive victory and sending the Pope’s forces running.   Another naval battle had broken out along the coasts of Messina shortly afterwards, this time between the Andalusi fleet and a large Italian navy. Once again, however, the Italians failed to overcome their numerical inferiority and were broken, with seven ships destroyed or lost to the enemy.   At the same time, news arrived in Qadis about the possible outbreak of a revolt in Portugal. That could not be allowed to happen whilst the army was engaged overseas, so a small but brutal police force was sent to deal with any dissidents, massacring hundreds of civilians in Porto and al-Adna.  Back on the war front, meanwhile, the Andalusi army had pushed further into Italy and besieged Lucania, with the war fleet patrolling the Gulf of Taranto and blockading the city.  And with cannons blowing apart the walls of Lucania, the fortress finally succumbed a few weeks later.  The Andalusi navy, which was doing everything it could to keep the Papal and Italian navies separated, engaged the Papal fleet along the coasts of Rome. The battle was very short, but when it ended the Andalusi victory streak on the seas numbered one more.   As news of yet another defeat reached Rome, an enraged Pope Innocentius ordered his army to engage the smaller Andalusi force at Lucania. Nearby Muslim armies quickly poured into Lucania to reinforce the battle, and with Papal forces outnumbered and outclassed, it could only end one way.   A couple days later, however, the Italian army arrived and rushed to engage the Andalusi. Despite the numbers being roughly equal, Ibn Sa’d managed to utterly annihilate the Italian army through a sweeping barrage of attacks, with almost four times the number of Italians falling as Andalusi.   Back in Iberia, meanwhile, the Majlis’ troubles were compounded with the rebellion of a Jizrunid noble named Ismail, a younger half-brother of Sultan Akkad, who demanded greater powers and authority. Another loan had to be taken out to pay him off, the only alternative to a civil war.  Meanwhile, back on the Italian peninsula, the Andalusi-Palermo armies continued the march northward. They besieged Papal Napoli, though the Pope’s forces launched another attack before the city could surrender, only for it to be decisively defeated once more.   The military situation relaxed as the winter of 1504 arrived, both sides content with capturing cities and sieging fortresses until the campaigning season returned.  Napoli finally surrendered to the Andalusi half a year later, disease-ridden and starving.  And finally, in the summer of 1505, Ibn Sa’d led the army to besiege the holy city of Rome itself.  Despite being surrounded on land and blockaded at sea, Rome managed to hold out for more than half a year in the hope of being relieved. No relief arrived, however, and when the walls were finally breached, the epicentre of Catholicism was subjected to another bloody sacking.  Lucania fell to Palermo not long later, and with that, the Christians were finally forced onto the negotiating table. Only tribute was demanded from Pope Innocent, but King Pericles was forced to cede a vast stretch of land in the south, from Calabria to Lucania.  And with that, the Andalusi fell back and withdrew their forces to Iberia, leaving an enlarged Emirate of Palermo in their wake.  Whilst the Andalusi had been embroiled in battles and sieges, the rest of the world had been warring as well. In the Near East, Nicaea had somehow lost a series of wars to the Armenian Sultanate, forced to surrender vast tracts of land. Crusader Egypt, on the other hand, had solidified its hold on the Levant by conquering the scattered Syrian emirates.  In the north, meanwhile, the French-Celtic War had devolved into a stalemate, with the Celts unable to retake Brittany and the French unable to cross into Britain. To make matters worse, a punitive war had broken out between the expansionistic Archbishopric of Liege and a number of German states, with Liege dragging France into the conflict.  Whilst all this was going on, however, the Merchants had continued their obligations in the west so that by 1506, the numerous sea routes linking the New World and the old had been sailed through and mapped.  And even better, a chain of large islands had been discovered and charted over the past decade, islands said to be laden with sugar, gems, gold and other riches.  Before the Merchants could expand their interests to the Juzur al-Qarbiya, however, they were determined to solidify their hold on the islands linking the two worlds. So efforts to colonise the newly-discovered Cape Verde along the coast of Africa began, with several groups of settlers dispatched from Iberia over the course of the past year.  All of this had fueled stories throughout Europe and North Africa, where peasants, courtiers and nobles all gossiped about the vast continents to the west, eating up any rumours about its peoples and their strange customs, speculating about the extent its fabled riches, obsessed with the pamphlets and books published by its explorers and conquistadors. Apart from Al Andalus, only the Celtic Empire had begun to take an interest in the new world, but only the Andalusi had made efforts to actually claim these vast lands, turning Qadis into the undisputed centre of colonialism.  All of this was made possible through the League of Merchants, who realise that the end of their mandate is nearing as Sultan Akkad approaches his seventieth birthday. Over the past half-century, however, the Majlis as a whole has come to wield considerable power, power that only an exceptional sultan would be able to face.  Speaking of Sultan Akkad, the old man spent his days strolling through his vast gardens, enjoying fine wines, advising his sons and playing with his grandchildren. He still resides in Tulaytullah, a city which has grown to become the cultural capital of Al Andalus over the course of his long reign.  And it is in his city of beauty that Sultan Akkad dies, passing away in his sleep late in 1506. Akkad had hand-picked one of his sons as his heir, but chaos erupts in the hours following his death, and when the smoke finally clears it is one of his many half-brothers who is crowned instead...  As is tradition, Hakam prepares to address the Majlis shortly after his coronation, ready to wield the powers of Sultan. World map: 
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Things are looking up for Al-Andalus! Though, oh crap, since we're allied to Aragon Colonialism will spread to them. Still, this gives us a golden opportunity to catch up on tech.
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Italy and the pope beaten, France and Britain devouring each other, Nicea collapsing, Allah smiles on us! Our work is hardly complete, though, but it looks like our new Sultan knows that. Long live Hakam!
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Excellent update, Hashim. What can we reach with our colonial range?
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Sweet, Palermo is bouncing back. And with France in two wars this might allow us to invade one of the Iberian Christians without France getting involved.
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Talas posted:Excellent update, Hashim. What can we reach with our colonial range? Most of the islands in the Atlantic and probably the Brazilian coast.
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We all know what must be done. The Time has Come, the Walrus Said Conquer and absorb the minor powers of Iberia.
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Third Meeting of the Majlis : Welcome, one and all. I have no taste for speeches, so I’ll keep this short and to the point.: My greatly-revered father has recently passed to Heaven, as you all know full well, and thus the time has come to open the Majlis for a new generation of nobles, imams, and… merchants.: I will not deny that the past two decades have seen Al Andalus flourish, but as with the advent of any new Sultan, circumstances change and our possibilities, our interests and our actions must change with them.: So I will freely admit that I have no taste for the womanly bartering of merchants. As Sultan, my undivided attention will be on the military. Taxes will be channeled into territorial expansion, cannons will be modernized and re-fitted, soldiers will be drilled and trained to obey orders without question, all so that the enemies of Al Andalus can finally be faced down.: And I assure you, her enemies are many in number and great in strength.: Nevertheless, it is tradition to call for a new assembly and take advice upon the succession of every new sultan, so I hereby open the Majlis, and bid you all align yourselves to the interests of Al Andalus.: You would all do well to keep my words in mind, however.--- Okay, so time for another realignment of factions. For now, it’s still just the New Taifas, the Ulema and the League of Merchants: The New Taifas The Taifas advocate for: - Expansion of the standing army, rather than the navy. - Rapid territorial expansion, especially on the Iberian Peninsula. - Constructing Army and Defense buildings. Effects: Bonus to army morale, larger army force limit, significantly smaller naval force limit, greater AE impact. The Ulama The Ulama advocate for: - Religious conversion of non-Muslim provinces. - A focus on increasing development within Al Andalus. - Avoiding war with same-religion countries, and aiding them against Christian powers. - Constructing Taxation and Production buildings. Effects: Higher missionary strength, cheaper buildings, more tolerance of the true faith, less tolerance of heathens. The League of Merchants The Merchants advocate for: - A focus on trade and maximising income above all else. - Avoiding costly wars. - Constructing larger navies, both trade fleets and war navies. - Exploration and overseas expansion. - Constructing Trade and Navy buildings. Effects: Bonus to naval force limit, boost to trade power, significantly smaller army force limit. --- State of Affairs Government: Reformed Taifa System (power split between the Sultan and Majlis) Ruling Faction: n/a Permitted Factions: The New Taifas, the Ulema, the League of Merchants Rivals: France, Castille Alliances: Morocco, Tunis, Palermo, Aragon. Subjects: none Other Pacts: none Diplomatic slots: 4/4 Treasury: 80 gold (170 gold in debt) ---
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My father was a loyal merchant for many years, but it is clear that it is time for a change after their long reign. I, Akkad Al-Soup, join the Ulama. The Ulama have been nothing but religious busybodies for decades, but I believe there is potential for a better vision than complaining about Christian alliances.
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Our time is now. Together we can bring stability to Andalusia and terror to our enemies. I, Mullah Mountainer, remain with the Ulama.
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The time is now, the army is ready, and Iberia yearns for our victory!
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TildeATH posted:We all know what must be done.
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France is embroiled in war and we have already won victories in Italy, now is the time of the Taifas!
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The new Sultan seems like a swell guy, I think we should go along with what he has in mind.
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Switch to the New Taifas. Let's finish up the Deconquista 
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More importantly, the Portuguese rebellions will never end until we show the Christians the light of Islam. I am interested in seeing more Iberian conquests, but only the Ulama can oversee the conversion of our most restless provinces. I, Snipee, remain with the Ulama. E: Wait, is that the Red Turbans that conquered a chuck of Korea? What is going on? 
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That last update was fascinating, even if it didn't end with the Pope driven out into the wilds in his bedclothes. Clearly merchant policies are exactly what's needed. 
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I'm switching to the New Taifas.
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Snipee posted:More importantly, the Portuguese rebellions will never end until we show the Christians the light of Islam. I am interested in seeing more Iberian conquests, but only the Ulama can oversee the conversion of our most restless provinces. I, Snipee, remain with the Ulama. Yep, that's the Red Turbans. It's funny because they tried to do the same thing in real life, but failed horrifically. I didn't even give them missions for it. As for the Christian provinces, yeah, the only way to eventually stop the rebellions (beyond just waiting for separatism to die down) is to convert them (ulama) or accept them (merchants).
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I will remain with the merchants. There seems to be no reason to fix what worked so well so far.
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Hashim posted:Yep, that's the Red Turbans. It's funny because they tried to do the same thing in real life, but failed horrifically. I didn't even give them missions for it. Like hell we are going to accept the Christians. What have we fought all of our wars for? The Merchants are inevitably going to sacrifice our long-term stability and prosperity for short-term profits. We must convert all of our provinces before thinking about more colonial adventures!
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Archaeology Hat posted:
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Snipee posted:Like hell we are going to accept the Christians.  I remain with the Ulama
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Staying with the Merchants because greed is good.
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