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Kalenn Istarion posted:Hey guys let's put this guy who definitely doped and 1) having absolutely no testing policy whatsoever 2) promoting the gently caress out of the guys who are obviously using and hitting lots of dingers 3) turning a blind eye to it all from top to bottom, from the commissioner to owners to managers to trainers and even fans But then let's get super self-righteous about it all of a sudden (when Congress gets involved for some reason?) and pillory the guys we used to bring the sport back from the dead!
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I've been drinking a ton of this HGH milk and I haven't hit a single home run. This is bull poo poo.
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Anyone who gets mad about an athlete using PEDs is incredibly naive about how many athletes from high school through to the masters games are doping.
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May 16, 2017 06:50
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Anyone who gets mad about an athlete using PEDs is incredibly naive about how many athletes from high school through to the masters games are doping. This ridiculous statement can be used to turn a blind eye to every lovely thing in sports including domestic abuse, petty crimes, and worse. Its a dumb argument and you shouldn't abandon an ideal to defend millionaire retired sports personalities.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Your favorite player from the 80s or 90s probably did all kinds of illegal poo poo to play baseball better. I honestly can't remember whether any of the early 90s Jays got caught doping. Since the new regime only Colabello and two minor leaguers in the Jays org
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The hall is filled with racists, assholes, cheaters, and fuckers who basically tried to kill each other. Barry Bonds is an rear end in a top hat but he was great at baseball and he's no worse than a good portion of the guys in there already. I mean, gently caress, Juan Marichal beat a fucker over the head with a baseball bat and went cock fighting with Pedro Martinez. Half the guys in there probably think Bonds shouldn't be let in because of the color of his skin. Gaylord Perry walked into the Hall spitting on his hands. That ain't the Hall of Role Models and Fair Players and never was. Admittedly I'm still weirdly stubborn about Pete Rose but I'm willing to let it go if he admits Ichiro is Baseball's Hits King.
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Kalenn Istarion posted:I honestly can't remember whether any of the early 90s Jays got caught doping. Since the new regime only Colabello and two minor leaguers in the Jays org
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STAC Goat posted:Admittedly I'm still weirdly stubborn about Pete Rose but I'm willing to let it go if he admits Ichiro is Baseball's Hits King. What a weird hangup. I mean I get not liking Pete Rose but he very clearly has the most hits, it's really not debatable. It's the same as not counting minor league hits.
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I am a Dodgers fan who spent ages 8 to 22 booing Barry Bonds like he was the second coming of Hitler, and even I think he should have been in on the first ballot. But Pete Rose should be on the outside looking in for a century at least. bawfuls fucked around with this message at 07:08 on May 16, 2017 |
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Anyone who gets mad about an athlete using PEDs is incredibly naive about how many athletes from high school through to the masters games are doping. They're also getting played like a fiddle because Bud rode the PED-induced dinger wave into saving baseball after the strike, then he threw them all under the bus.
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Popete posted:What a weird hangup. I mean I get not liking Pete Rose but he very clearly has the most hits, it's really not debatable. It's the same as not counting minor league hits.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Anyone who gets mad about an athlete using PEDs is incredibly naive about how many athletes from high school through to the masters games are doping. No, what I said was he was a known user who was found guilty of lying to court. What I definitely didn't say was that he was unique in baseball, but everything he ever did has a very public asterisk next to it and he is a lovely hof candidate because of it. That plus his unlikeable personality make him hard to recommend. I'm well aware of the culture of "supplements" in pro and competitive amateur sports. I was reffing at a junior hockey showcase tourney this past weekend and the lobby of the rink was full of people peddling ground bull testicles or whatever garbage they thought the kids would choke down to be a step faster than the next guy, at a table next to "how to apply for NCAA scholarships" and "Johnny Skatefast Real Good Hockey School For Kids From Rich Families" Being aware of it and accepting it are different things and if that means dropping hot takes about Barry Bonds then so be it
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bawfuls posted:It's more about Pete Rose having to check his ego than anything else. This is a much more legitimate reason.
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bawfuls posted:It's more about Pete Rose having to check his ego than anything else. Pretty much. I fully admit I'm being stubbornly hypocritical about Rose but it's just because he's been such an arrogant prick my entire life and I'm dug in. Intellectually I know I should probably let it go, but I can't get there without seeing him humbled a little. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 07:21 on May 16, 2017 |
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I genuinely think what Pete Rose did is much more dangerous to the long term health of MLB than what Bonds et all did. Furthermore, Rose accepted a lifetime ban from the game and placement on the permanent ineligibility list in exchange for MLB dropping it's active investigation into his transgressions.
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The best part about Selig using steroids to resurrect baseball was he's the rear end in a top hat that was colluding against players that caused the work stoppage to begin with. And it gets better, once baseball is saved and Bonds is Public Enemy No. 1 what does Ol' Allan Huber Selig do? He colludes against Bonds to get him out of the league. Also I love how people rip into Bonds's stats as being inflated from PEDs when I'd wager half of the pitchers he hit home runs off of were taking steroids.
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Kalenn Istarion posted:Hey guys let's put this guy who definitely doped and Yeah Rafael Palmeiro probably should be in the hall.
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May 16, 2017 07:38
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The Hall of Fame makes fans stupid.
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I remember when Barry Bonds invented drugs, cheating in sports and Not Being A Role Model
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Luckily in 2002 david eckstein played the right way and saved us from barry's mandatory-steroid mlb
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I brought him up jokingly but since I believe Barry and Clemens will eventually make it will Palmiero be the biggest steroids snub left out of the hall? 3000 hits and 500 home runs.
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May 16, 2017 07:46
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But really, who the gently caress puts ketchup on their hot dog sandwich?
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Spoeank posted:Luckily in 2002 david eckstein played the right way and saved us from barry's mandatory-steroid mlb all players should have tubes in their skull and a button they can press to get super buff, like Bane. imo
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I have in my hand a letter from Paul Lo Duca that says thanks for the steroids
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Goodpancakes posted:This ridiculous statement can be used to turn a blind eye to every lovely thing in sports including domestic abuse, petty crimes, and worse. Its a dumb argument and you shouldn't abandon an ideal to defend millionaire retired sports personalities. Wow this is dumb. If you cant see the huge moral differences between domestic violence and doping you might be the biggest autist ever. Saying doping is like beating your wife, is like saying stealing signs is the same as throwing at a guys head.
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Kalenn Istarion posted:Bonds was a doping cheater (and continued to be one after they started actually enforcing it, idiot) and should never get in Barry Bonds was a hall of famer before he even starting doping.
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Gosh I hope I'm not intruding on roidchat but yesterday ALTUVE HIT THE loving DINGER MACHINE. The internets is fine and all but I wish there was some kind of universe where I woke up in the morning to retrieve the morning paper newspaper, opened it up, and that was the headlines.
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Senf posted:But really, who the gently caress puts ketchup on their hot dog sandwich? Bud Selig.
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I don't put ketchup on hot dog sandwiches but I do put ketchup on hot dogs because if you use actual good ingredients you're wasting them on a freaking hot dog.
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Goodpancakes posted:This ridiculous statement can be used to turn a blind eye to every lovely thing in sports including domestic abuse, petty crimes, and worse. Its a dumb argument and you shouldn't abandon an ideal to defend millionaire retired sports personalities. Yes my argument is the dumb one says the guy who compares injecting testosterone into ones butt with terrorizing a loved one...
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Kalenn Istarion posted:I honestly can't remember whether any of the early 90s Jays got caught doping. Since the new regime only Colabello and two minor leaguers in the Jays org Guess what. Barry Bonds never tested positive, unlike members of The core 4 that helped Jeter win a bunch of titles...
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Doping is rad and all players should do it and not getting caught is the game within the game. And if Jeter is so great, how come he never won an MVP? Checkmate Yankees 
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Guess what. Speaking of steroids, Braun is on the DL. I hope we can unload him this year for some decent pitching prospects, but I doubt it.
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I wanted the Jays to trade for Ryan Braun in the offseason but instead they signed Steve Pearce and every pitching prospect has turned into a pumpkin. I miss AA
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:I wanted the Jays to trade for Ryan Braun in the offseason but instead they signed Steve Pearce and every pitching prospect has turned into a pumpkin. Okay but now that the pitching prospects are pumpkinized the Jays will have a lot of very cost-effective pumpkins. This is how you build a winner.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Guess what. I'm not advocating for Jeter, I was just pointing out that he had more hits than Bonds. BB admitted to using the stuff, so testing positive is kind of irrelevant.
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