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Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

Veritek83 posted:

How is Coldest Winter? It was lying around my father's bookshelf last time I was visiting so I borrowed it and figure I'll start it at some point in the next couple of weeks.

Really good. Read ASAP

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Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

bewbies posted:

Also it was Buchanan.


...possibly grant

I have to suggest Johnson (the first) to displace Grant, or maybe Taylor (or is it Tyler, always get those names confused.) Harrison's VP and subsequently President who's views on states rights caused him to constantly veto legeslation from his own party? If I remember correctly at one point his entire cabinet came into his office and quit?

Franklin Pierce also really bad, but he meant well and was mostly hapless - when your son dies right in front of you during a train crash in your ride to your inauguration and it breaks your beloved wife's mind, and your cabinet is filled with stumblefuck idiots for political reasons and they blow the legitimate chance Cuba had at becoming states in the USA, when your attempts to democratically solve the issue of Kansas and it leads to a mini civil war between Slavers and abolitionists, it might be time to start drinking 19th century style.

Alaan
May 24, 2005

If you don't dislike MacArthur before Coldest Winter you will afterwards.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.


Note: depressing is because it's an accurate representation of the material being covered.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

xthetenth posted:

Note: depressing is because it's an accurate representation of the material being covered.
The entire first half of the Korean War is just repetitions of "No Doug, don't do it. Ah poo poo he did it."

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Mortabis posted:

He put Japanese people in camps. Also he didn't much respect the limits of his own authority.

Truman was cool.

Overall Trump is looking to be on par with FDR in terms of respecting the limits of presidential authority and loving over minorities, with the added bonus of not doing nearly as much good for the country as FDR's administration did.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

chitoryu12 posted:

Overall Trump is looking to be on par with FDR in terms of respecting the limits of presidential authority and loving over minorities, with the added bonus of not doing nearly as much good for the country as FDR's administration did.

Stop this. If you want to talk about Trump and the impact he will have on this nation go to the politics thread, D&D, or pretty much anyplace that isn't the cold war / miltiary gear thread.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
Also, please stop discussing 19th century, I get lost thinking this is the Milhist thread.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
But I must let everyone know I'm on the Right Side of History™, regardless of time and place.

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
I wonder if the Thunderbirds did their bombing missions complete with their show music and drill and ceremony.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
Well, I know I'm on the right side, but that doesn't guarantee my survival and talking about Trump on a dead gay comedy forum increases my input in making the world a better place as much as petting my cat does.

Oh, I have a Question.

So, ugh, T-55s. Are they less armored/protected than some APCs, IFVs and MRAPs these days? Because if I'm reading Force on Force rulebook right, it has worse armor values than a lot of lighter vehicles. Is that true, or are the authors just hatin' on Soviets?

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

Mack Malone is rubbing himself raw to this pic.

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

mlmp08 posted:

I wonder if the Thunderbirds did their bombing missions complete with their show music and drill and ceremony.

And announcer. Don't forget the announcer.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

mlmp08 posted:

I wonder if the Thunderbirds did their bombing missions complete with their show music and drill and ceremony.

Rock you like a hurricaaaaaaaane

PhotoKirk
Jul 2, 2007

insert witty text here

priznat posted:

Rock you like a hurricaaaaaaaane

Nah... Gotta use the Gap Band.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
I cringe when I hear the snippet of Limp Bizkit's Rolling when the solo pilot flies by doing continuous aileron rolls.

NightGyr
Mar 7, 2005
I � Unicode
The rest of the Warbird photos are great too:
http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12487&p=153612

Mazz
Dec 12, 2012

Orion, this is Sperglord Actual.
Come on home.

JcDent posted:

Well, I know I'm on the right side, but that doesn't guarantee my survival and talking about Trump on a dead gay comedy forum increases my input in making the world a better place as much as petting my cat does.

Oh, I have a Question.

So, ugh, T-55s. Are they less armored/protected than some APCs, IFVs and MRAPs these days? Because if I'm reading Force on Force rulebook right, it has worse armor values than a lot of lighter vehicles. Is that true, or are the authors just hatin' on Soviets?

Highly depends on the vehicle and armor package, including the the T-55 itself. A basic T-55 though is just 100mm of hardened steel on the front, 200 around the turret, and 50-60mm on the side. The APDS of modern 30mm cannons can get through the sides. Any AT weapon from like 1965 forward can deal with a T-55 with a good hit.

But most APCs are only armored to withstand 12.7/14.5mm armor and shrapnel from artillery. There are armor kits that can increase this protection up to over 30mm fire but most do not come standard. At the same time they've modernized 55s with ERA and such.

The tl;dr though is that the T-55 is probably better protected than your average APC for direct fire, but they would all die all the same to a proper AT weapon, a decent caliber cannon firing modern AP, or a reasonably sized IED that the differences in actual protection are negligible in most cases. IEDs are a it of a grey area since positioning and shaping can matter so much.

Also the T-55s you see in Africa or wherever are generally base model so like 70 years old, which doesn't help their survivability at all.

Mazz fucked around with this message at 19:08 on May 16, 2017

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.


The Blue Angels have a better color scheme on their planes, I think.



(Disclaimer: I grew up as a Navy brat, so I'm physiologically incapable of ranking the Thunderbirds above the Blue Angels, in any aspect.)

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Blue Angels have prettier paint jobs. Thunderbirds put on a better show.

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?
The Thunderbirds looked a lot better the paint scheme was red, white, and blue over a bare metal aircraft.

They had to apply a white base coat starting with the F-4, though.

Mortabis
Jul 8, 2010

I am stupid
Sadly I have never seen a thunderbirds show. Apparently they'll be in Hampton Roads this weekend but I have an orienteering competition; no way I'll be able to make the 4 hour drive. :(

e: what is different between them and the blue angels? Other than the jets obviously.

Mortabis fucked around with this message at 19:32 on May 16, 2017

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon

Mazz posted:

Highly depends on the vehicle and armor package, including the the T-55 itself. A basic T-55 though is just 100mm of hardened steel on the front, 200 around the turret, and 50-60mm on the side. The APDS of modern 30mm cannons can get through the sides. Any AT weapon from like 1965 forward can deal with a T-55 with a good hit.

It always amazes me how much we've improved the penetration (especially in comparison to modern armor upgrades) of even small auto cannons. Compared to the 1940s where a 30mm would bounce straight off. The unthinking assumption would be that even back then we would have been getting close to ideal muzzle velocity, but nope, turns out metallurgy and chemistry bring us even further along.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Mortabis posted:

Sadly I have never seen a thunderbirds show. Apparently they'll be in Hampton Roads this weekend but I have an orienteering competition; no way I'll be able to make the 4 hour drive. :(

e: what is different between them and the blue angels? Other than the jets obviously.

The Thunderbirds' pilots wear G-Suits because the F-16 has a HOTAS setup, allowing them to do "sick tricks, bro." The Blues' pilots don't wear them because the stick's between their knees and they're concerned that during the diamonds and whatnot that an air bladder in the leg might inflate at the wrong time and nudge the stick. This is why you get that "if you've seen 'em once you've seen pretty much everything" feeling about a Blues show.

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?

BIG HEADLINE posted:

The Thunderbirds' pilots wear G-Suits because the F-16 has a HOTAS setup, allowing them to do "sick tricks, bro." The Blues' pilots don't wear them because the stick's between their knees and they're concerned that during the diamonds and whatnot that an air bladder in the leg might inflate at the wrong time and nudge the stick. This is why you get that "if you've seen 'em once you've seen pretty much everything" feeling about a Blues show.

Ehh. HOTAS just means that all the controls they need to work the weapons systems are on the stick and throttle. Hornets have that too.

F-16s have a control stick mounted on the side, that's what you mean.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

McNally posted:

Ehh. HOTAS just means that all the controls they need to work the weapons systems are on the stick and throttle. Hornets have that too.

F-16s have a control stick mounted on the side, that's what you mean.

Yeah, that's what I meant.

brakeless
Apr 11, 2011

Mazz posted:

Highly depends on the vehicle and armor package, including the the T-55 itself. A basic T-55 though is just 100mm of hardened steel on the front, 200 around the turret, and 50-60mm on the side. The APDS of modern 30mm cannons can get through the sides. Any AT weapon from like 1965 forward can deal with a T-55 with a good hit.

Here's some 30 mm holes in a T-55 turret where the armor is I believe 130 - 160 mm thick. It takes a good angle of impact, though.

Veritek83
Jul 7, 2008

The Irish can't drink. What you always have to remember with the Irish is they get mean. Virtually every Irish I've known gets mean when he drinks.
Not airpower, but this video on military etiquette for women in the army from 1970 is quite entertaining. https://boingboing.net/2017/05/16/1970-film-military-etiquett.html

Kemper Boyd
Aug 6, 2007

no kings, no gods, no masters but a comfy chair and no socks

Collateral Damage posted:

For content, I only today learned about the term Finlandization, meaning to bully a smaller country into accepting a larger country's foreign policy. So named because of how much influence the soviet union had over Finnish foreign politics during the cold war. For instance a lot of literature critical of Soviet was made unavailable in Finland under pressure from Soviet diplomats, and newspapers had to self-censor articles that might have angered the bear in the east.

The Wiki is sort of lacking in many regard (then again, so is the Finnish-language version of the article), because when talking about politics, it's centers around the Moscow faithful communists into defending the interests of the Soviet Union in Finland. SKDL, the umbrella party of the socialist left, condemned the Soviet Union's intervention in Prague in 1968, when no right-wing party did that.

There was a significant element of pro-Soviet thought in the Finnish right wing parties and their supporting organizations, on account of business interests, since bilateral trade between the Soviet Union was essentially a license to print money for Finnish industrialists.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006
No one likes me, but by god I will hold posting grudges for years to get into the cool kids club. I've won title as a most ignored user! Please unignore me uWu
Smellrose

bewbies posted:

Also it was Buchanan.

Yes.

quote:

...possibly grant

Oh gently caress no.

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

evil_bunnY posted:

Also the brits didn't want it, then spent a billion pounds on the nimrod 4 and got nothing.

Alas some in this country are so pig-headed that they would still prefer that outcome to buying a French aircraft.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

TTerrible posted:

As much as the fall of North Korea would be an absolute humanitarian shitshow for decades, I really want to find out whats going on in there. What have they built and done. :stare:

My guess: Rice paddies, mostly.

Doctor Grape Ape
Aug 26, 2005

Dammit Doc, I just bought this for you 3 months ago. Try and keep it around for a bit longer this time.

Kesper North posted:

My guess: Rice paddies, mostly.

This. Look at a satellite view, outside of Pyongyang the place looks like 1940s rural China, only more lovely.

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK
Slippery Tilde
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a26028/f-16-drone-have-raider-ii/

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Hey guys I thought "who's the worst president" was fun so I made a thread

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3820660

Please post there otherwise the socialists will all come in and be "an elected leader as the head of a state? There's your first mistake :smuggo:

And then with no incentives for gain they inevitably do nothing and mutter ideology

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK
Slippery Tilde
http://warisboring.com/u-s-air-force-sends-robotic-f-16s-into-mock-combat/

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK
Slippery Tilde
http://www.airforcesmonthly.com/2009/12/07/frankenhornet-flies/

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK
Slippery Tilde
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/israel-built-a-fighter-jet-so-strange-that-boeing-thoug-1795259564

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Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

"Today an aircraft like this would cost 40 million".

No the 40 million is for a plane that won't fall apart during combat maneuvering.

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