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Fartbox posted:yeah what the hell are they thinking No, dummy. While I disagree with him that this arc is boring (though the agonizing wait time between chapters is not helping), he's saying that the literal definition of filler is a story inserted between the pre-existing story that can't have any lasting impact on the plot because it wasn't part of original story. This tournament arc is whatever you think it is in terms of quality, but it is inherently filler.
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Who decided this will have no lasting impact? This is clearly an extension of the story not a random isolated piece of fluff
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Fartbox posted:Who decided this will have no lasting impact? This is clearly an extension of the story not a random isolated piece of fluff The fact that Suiryu is not in the webcomic version by ONE, nor has any of this tournament stuff come up in any capacity. The Murata version, and by extension the anime, are all beholden to the webcomic version which is at least two arcs ahead of this.
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May 16, 2017 14:01
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Bisse posted:I think a valid complaint is "this arc is boring". Regardless of if it's filler or written by ONE or whatever. It's not filler when it's fully authored by the original author to help explain the upcoming arc and its events.
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May 16, 2017 14:02
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That's kinda dumb tho, filler's always been used to describe stuff like the endless padding in DBZ/OP, and without going into details, everything besides the tournament (and only the tournament, not even the parts afterwards) that's gone down is relevant to some degree regarding what goes down next so I don't know how it's padding.
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May 16, 2017 14:03
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Yeah, isn't filler usually used to describe arcs made up for anime adaptations that have run through the preexisting material? It's not like there's nothing for him to draw from, and as far as I know, One has a hand in writing it still.
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Yeah, like, as much as I love ONE's version it very much seems to be a literal rough draft for the Murata version. It's also worth noting that, as minor of a character she is, Lily first showed up in the redraw and was later introduced in the ONE version. So if anything there's evidence to the contrary of the tournament arc not mattering.
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May 16, 2017 15:09
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Suiryu show up in a cameo in the webcomic down the line. What would be more surprising would be to see a page of the OPM webcomic go up while MP100 approaches its 100th chapter.
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While I haven't read the ONE version, it seems like the arc kind of lost its focus during the initial attack by the monster association. Reminds me a bit of the plot of Spider-Man 3. Individually, the premises of each arc make sense. It's just when they'e combined that they turn into a cluttered, unexciting mess. Similarly, a tournament arc could be cool, Garou could be cool, and monsters organising themselves and attacking the city while Saitama is gone could be cool. Instead, Garou's arc gets interrupted because of the monsters and the tournament, the tournament gets disrupted by the monsters, and the monsters are really boring.
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May 16, 2017 15:34
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The definition of filler is: "I don't like this episode/arc and I want to sound objective and smart when i say i think it's doodoo and wanna see main character win the thing"
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May 16, 2017 15:36
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it's worse when manga readers, myself included, can drop in and say "the next part is really fuckin good guys" when it's been due to begin for a good couple of years by this point and no closer.
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May 16, 2017 15:37
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filler is a word that referred to when they would air test patterns or pottery videos between TV broadcasts. it doesn't mean anything anymore and I'll dropkick it out of everyone's mouth
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May 16, 2017 15:40
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I guess filler means different things to different people. I hope we get a new sliver of a chapter soon so we can get a respite from filler chat, however brief.
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And More posted:While I haven't read the ONE version, it seems like the arc kind of lost its focus during the initial attack by the monster association. Reminds me a bit of the plot of Spider-Man 3. Individually, the premises of each arc make sense. It's just when they'e combined that they turn into a cluttered, unexciting mess. Yeah this is about how I would feel. This would work better if there wasn't three stories kind of overlapping themselves at the same time. It doesn't feel like an A-plot and two B-plots, it feels like three A-plots fighting each other for panel space and the least interesting one keeps winning.
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May 16, 2017 15:49
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No, filler has a strict definition.
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I could have sworn it was universally understood to mean "new content that was not I the original work being adapted" but the lines are blurred a bit when the same author is there writing it. I'm not concerned about whether or not it's filler, I'm just bored of it 
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The most damning fact about the tournament arc is that it's thematically quite similar to the Sea King arc, only the pacing is worse and there's less at stake. It's nothing we haven't seen before, and haven't seen done better.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Serious thread series : serious continous shitpost
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I guess one specific thing that's kind of lame is that the monster that's about to get onepunchmanned has existed for one and a half chapter and all he's really done is talk and rip a guy's hair off. Chapter could still be amazing but doesn't feel like much of a payoff.
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I'm going to be laughing if the next arc deviates from the comic material. (I haven't read the comic)
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Darth TNT posted:I'm going to be laughing if the next arc deviates from the comic material. (I haven't read the comic) This is kind of what I was expecting after hearing that this arc is 'filler.' I haven't read the comic either but it would be neat to see happen.
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May 16, 2017 20:47
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Yeah anyone saying the stuff so far is "filler" hasn't really read or understood the next arc in the original series, since there's been some fairly dramatic expansions and changes already. I'd elaborate more but, you know, spoilers. But it's obvious that Murata's version is pretty much a parallel remastered director's cut sort of thing rather than just a direct port of the webcomic. There's a lot of people here who conflate being impatient over a slow release with the actual media itself being bad, apparently.
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Asimo posted:There's a lot of people here who conflate being impatient over a slow release with the actual media itself being bad, apparently. That's always been the case for serialized media. The claim of "badly paced" being the most common one after "filler!". There's been countless series where I got into it very late (or after it ended even) and it would be great all the way to the latest chapter, then I'd look at some recent comments and it's invariably "badly paced" according to the self-styled narrative experts. ChronoReverse fucked around with this message at 21:14 on May 16, 2017 |
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May 16, 2017 21:11
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ChronoReverse posted:That's always been the case for serialized media. The claim of "badly paced" being the most common one after "filler!". There's been countless series where I got into it very late (or after it ended even) and it would be great all the way to the latest chapter, then I'd look at some recent comments and it's invariably "badly paced" according to the self-styled narrative experts. I don't disagree but on the other hand the nature of the medium is to be weekly and it's not unreasonable to want an author to take that into account rather than "ah sure it'll be grand when it's finished, lads".
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Asimo posted:There's a lot of people here who conflate being impatient over a slow release with the actual media itself being bad, apparently. The tournament arc isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination, but OPM has been so consistently great that it's still probably the weakest arc that's come out so far.
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ChronoReverse posted:That's always been the case for serialized media. The claim of "badly paced" being the most common one after "filler!". There's been countless series where I got into it very late (or after it ended even) and it would be great all the way to the latest chapter, then I'd look at some recent comments and it's invariably "badly paced" according to the self-styled narrative experts. So, am I not allowed to criticise the awful pacing of the comic because it's also being released at a snail's pace? Surely, one thing doesn't exclude the other.
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It's a hard road, but I consistently feel affirmed that Never Read/Watch Anything That Isn't Done Or Has A Massive Backlog is a pretty alright way to consume media. Not excusing poor pacing on a writer's part and being part of the current wave can be fun, but I've found a lot of enjoyment in just consuming at my own pace.
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And More posted:So, am I not allowed to criticise the awful pacing of the comic because it's also being released at a snail's pace? Surely, one thing doesn't exclude the other. You can. It is just difficult to discern the two when the discussion is for an ongoing arc. Be specific on how the pacing is bad that doesn't just conflate with slow chapter releases.
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Its just that the stuff over the horizon is really fuckin good. And the pacing, both of the manga itself (as compared to original) and the release schedule is just glacial. Weve already seen rehashes of things, namely character moments, that were one and done in the original. I keep saying 'yeah arc over lets git er dun' and then another arc appears.
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It's definitely the best way to do it though there is some appeal in week-to-week. Unexpected developments, payoff of mounting tension or mystery, or the impact of tragic events are all dampened when you can read through an entire arc on a Sunday afternoon. I can't speak for others of course but I find it nearly impossible to tell if something's pacing is good or bad until it's finished, the release schedule obfuscates it too much imo.
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And More posted:So, am I not allowed to criticise the awful pacing of the comic because it's also being released at a snail's pace? Surely, one thing doesn't exclude the other. Complaining that content is trickling out slowly (bad pacing of releases) is a different complaint from "bad pacing of story" except to those who are unable to differentiate. But too often, the story's pacing is being criticized along with the slow release rate in the same breathe. If you aren't doing that then good for you. (Also, it's entirely fair to criticize story pacing but my point is that very few of the more vocal people seem to be able to do that objectively). ChronoReverse fucked around with this message at 22:09 on May 16, 2017 |
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ChronoReverse posted:Well sure you can, if that's what you really mean. You be the judge: And More posted:Fine, let's not discuss this. It just seems like we could actually discuss what works and what doesn't work in this arc, but instead we're bickering about the definition of "filler". And More fucked around with this message at 22:32 on May 16, 2017 |
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May 16, 2017 22:21
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I don't like the filler arc of this thread and I hope we can get past it soon enough
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And More posted:You be the judge I don't see why I should judge? I wasn't even quoting you when I wrote that as a general comment. Personally I agree that this arc seems to be a side-story but am keeping in mind that by the nature of a serialized story, I can't see the forest for the trees so I will at some point in the future read through it as a whole.
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AnonSpore posted:I don't like the filler arc of this thread and I hope we can get past it soon enough Do what I occasionally do when I'm jonesing for more awesomeness but the awesomeness is slow in coming: go back and re-read everything from the start. It's a nice refresher and can shed light on some things now that you know what's already happened. Don't do it with the actual thread though. That way lies madness.
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the pacing of this thing has gone to poo poo
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I'm filler. Sorry everyone
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Bongo Bill posted:I'm filler. Sorry everyone Hi filler, im dad.
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May 17, 2017 02:39
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Filler? I don't even know her!
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And More posted:You be the judge: I thought we agreed Jotaro would be the judge.
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