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Gizmo Chicken posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmQm76wFfKk I wonder who that lovely Highlady is at 2:30.
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May 16, 2017 16:25
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Here's a poll to see how much interest there is in a mass migration for EU players. You don't have to answer straight away of course, the servers aren't up yet.
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May 16, 2017 16:26
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Get hosed east coast
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May 16, 2017 16:26
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slev posted:Get hosed east coast East Coast here and my ping is roughly the same, about 10% lower overall. The hopeful side is that the packet loss never rears its ugly head like it did when routing through Level3.
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May 16, 2017 16:32
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LOCUST FART HELL posted:Here's a poll to see how much interest there is in a mass migration for EU players. You don't have to answer straight away of course, the servers aren't up yet. Can I vote yes if i'm all ready there?
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May 16, 2017 16:41
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Skaw posted:East Coast here and my ping is roughly the same, about 10% lower overall. The hopeful side is that the packet loss never rears its ugly head like it did when routing through Level3. Packet loss was my huge problem as well. 70ms vs 40ms is only slightly noticeable, but packet loss is a big deal.
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May 16, 2017 16:42
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Stormgale posted:Can I vote yes if i'm all ready there? I should have added a "I'm already on the EU servers you clown" option, so just vote yes in that case, seeing as the intention is to see if there's enough people to make this worthwhile.
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May 16, 2017 16:46
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Mr. Nice! posted:For new 60s, don't forget to post in Fister's FFGoons thread, hit us up in game, and/or hit us up in the discord. Is there a reason to join the discord if I am on a different server? I am on Midgardsormr to play with friends. Any other goons on Midgard?
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May 16, 2017 17:03
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slev posted:Get hosed east coast Why, IP routing doesn't necessarily follow any kind of geographic logic. Do you think all your packets fly in a direct line to their destination?
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May 16, 2017 17:14
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LOCUST FART HELL posted:Here's a poll to see how much interest there is in a mass migration for EU players. You don't have to answer straight away of course, the servers aren't up yet. I had forgotten about your gil going bye bye and all that on a transfer which changed my "probably never" on transferring to a hard no.
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May 16, 2017 17:15
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Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:Why, IP routing doesn't necessarily follow any kind of geographic logic. Do you think all your packets fly in a direct line to their destination? It still has to travel the distance between the two points, so at the very least that part of geography applies.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:I had forgotten about your gil going bye bye and all that on a transfer which changed my "probably never" on transferring to a hard no. You could just convert the Gil into assets, probably best to do it after strm hits and the markets stabilise
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May 16, 2017 17:20
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Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:Why, IP routing doesn't necessarily follow any kind of geographic logic. Do you think all your packets fly in a direct line to their destination? About that: https://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html  Also I will never understand the Level 3 hate when it's probably your ISP that is poo poo. I never had problems with WoW, EVE, or this but I've been blessed with fiber connections that aren't run by the big poo poo tier US ISPs.
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May 16, 2017 17:27
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Xeras posted:Is there a reason to join the discord if I am on a different server? I am on Midgardsormr to play with friends. Any other goons on Midgard? Probably not. It's excalibur-centric.
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May 16, 2017 17:33
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LethalGeek posted:About that: My ISP is poo poo, but my only other option in this city is AT&T w/ a 1 TB limit per month with less bandwidth for more money, and I never had issues at all with WoW or SWTOR.
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May 16, 2017 17:34
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Feel the suffering of west coast players who have been bearing this burden for 4 years you east coast nerds.
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https://www.cnet.com/news/level-3-accuses-six-broadband-providers-of-degrading-network-traffic/ Had to go find it cause the original post isn't around apparently, but to clarify the hell I'm talking about.
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May 16, 2017 17:39
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Leal posted:Feel the suffering of west coast players who have been bearing this burden for 4 years you east coast nerds. They could have put it in the middle of the country somewhere, rather than just flipping which coast gets hosed. Sadly, planning and Square don't exactly go together.
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Is there much infrastructure for data centres that are centrally located? Leal posted:Feel the suffering of west coast players who have been bearing this burden for 4 years you east coast nerds. As an east coaster I have to suffer with nine out of ten game companies operating and releasing things based on PST. We don't need to suffer more. 
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May 16, 2017 17:47
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LethalGeek posted:About that: When you trace your traffic to the servers after having problems and the trace dies every single trying to get to the last Level 3 hop, you know there's a problem with whatever link is up there, not with people's ISPs (especially when this has been happening to a large amount of people off and on). Level 3 is a big ISP - don't trust a single word they say; they've been caught out for awful business practices in the past anyway. They probably get a bit more hate than they deserve, but there was definitely something wrong that they didn't care to investigate.
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Zaodai posted:They could have put it in the middle of the country somewhere, rather than just flipping which coast gets hosed. Sadly, planning and Square don't exactly go together. Except the east coast isn't really getting hosed? I'm in Florida and level 3 hosed me up hard enough that I had to use a VPN to get the game. Pinging the server this morning I got basically the same ping as before. If there isn't any packet loss it'll be better for east coast people as well. The only east coast people that might be significantly impacted is parts of new england, and even then I'm dubious that they'll be greatly affected.
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Crumpet posted:When you trace your traffic to the servers after having problems and the trace dies every single trying to get to the last Level 3 hop, you know there's a problem with whatever link is up there, not with people's ISPs (especially when this has been happening to a large amount of people off and on). Level 3 is a big ISP - don't trust a single word they say; they've been caught out for awful business practices in the past anyway. They probably get a bit more hate than they deserve, but there was definitely something wrong that they didn't care to investigate. This 100%. The game was completely different playing via standard connection (which routed through level 3) and via mudfish or wtfast that bypassed it. It was night and day.
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LethalGeek posted:About that: Level 3 has an decently well deserved bad reputation. Of the tier 1 backbone companies, I'd say they're the worst, both from a wider perspective, and previously being a client of theirs. Most of the issues stemmed I think for the Level 3 peering facility in Montreal, or really, the apparent lack of peering bandwidth there. I remember reading somewhere that during times of great congestion, there was a chance your traffic could end up getting routed though microwave backhaul across the US/CA border. Speaking of backbone, I don't know what network the EU servers are on, but it looks like all the Japanese and US infrastructure are all now on NTT's tier 1 backbone. At least for me, the traffic moves right into NTT's network almost immediately.
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There's sufficient infrastructure in say Omaha or Chicago for a data center the size they would need in order to operate, but I'm guessing nobody in SE even remembers either of those places exist, let alone other somewhat tech savvy cities in the Midwest.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Except the east coast isn't really getting hosed? I'm in Florida and level 3 hosed me up hard enough that I had to use a VPN to get the game. Pinging the server this morning I got basically the same ping as before. If there isn't any packet loss it'll be better for east coast people as well. I'll certainly give it a shot here in a few days and see how gameplay feels, but it still feels like a stupid decision. There's not really a good reason to put your big multiplayer game servers on either coast in NA. League moved theirs to Chicago for a reason.
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Zaodai posted:I'll certainly give it a shot here in a few days and see how gameplay feels, but it still feels like a stupid decision. There's not really a good reason to put your big multiplayer game servers on either coast in NA. League moved theirs to Chicago for a reason. Riot is big enough to run their own datacenter instead of buying capacity from someone else.
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Zaodai posted:I'll certainly give it a shot here in a few days and see how gameplay feels, but it still feels like a stupid decision. There's not really a good reason to put your big multiplayer game servers on either coast in NA. League moved theirs to Chicago for a reason. November 7th I paid 2.99 to mudfish (1.43 balance remaining). I play this dumb game a lot. Since that time I've sent less than 12gb of data total. This game uses very little actual bandwidth. So long as the packet loss issues that people dealt with from level 3 are resolved, I don't really think a move to a major internet hub anywhere in the US is going to have a significant difference.
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Reiterpallasch posted:Riot is big enough to run their own datacenter instead of buying capacity from someone else. As opposed to noted two man garage operation SquareEnix? 
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Leofish posted:"People called Garlanes they go the house?" drat it i came here to post this exact joke
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Zaodai posted:As opposed to noted two man garage operation SquareEnix? a real modern ~web-scale~ datacenter contains thousands of computers. the big players build their datacenters out of literal shipping containers full of computers like they were loving lego blocks and throw away entire containers when the computers inside start to break. you could fit every ffxiv server inside a single one of those shipping containers and rattle them around.
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Kuvo posted:drat it i came here to post this exact joke Insomnia wins again!  
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maybe a second one for the instance servers, idk how they're architected behind their load balancer
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Reiterpallasch posted:a real modern ~web-scale~ datacenter contains thousands of computers. the big players build their datacenters out of literal shipping containers full of computers like they were loving lego blocks and throw away entire containers when the computers inside start to break. you could fit every ffxiv server inside a single one of those shipping containers and rattle them around. Then it sounds like they wouldn't have needed to rent that much space in a datacenter somewhere in the middle of the country. Or indeed, in a different datacenter from the company they're already getting space from.
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If mudfish is connecting already to the new server locations (which it should be based on the updated IP routing) then I'm still able to get sub 50ms ping from Florida.
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Zaodai posted:Then it sounds like they wouldn't have needed to rent that much space in a datacenter somewhere in the middle of the country. Or indeed, in a different datacenter from the company they're already getting space from. Getting a bigass datacenter in the middle of nowhere is mostly tricky because nobody actually wants to live in council bluffs, iowa or whatever when they could be making easy six figures on the coasts. Google, facebook, amazon et al can do it because, well, they can afford to buy out an entire town out there and reshape it to their will. If you're buying datacenter space from someone with a real SLO (and you really, really want someone with a real SLO) and you're not willing to move into the ~cloud~, your options don't actually look that great out there. The SoftLayer datacenter in Dallas would probably be my best guess, and I'm not convinced Dallas would be overall better than Sacramento for the playerbase.
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Assuming that IP is right, my ping is set to more than double. Also this: https://twitter.com/ff_xiv_en/status/864511717941837824
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May 16, 2017 18:16
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Xenoveritas posted:Assuming that IP is right, my ping is set to more than double. Where are you playing from? I get a slightly higher ping without VPN down here in florida (60ms before and 70ms after) but the same sub 50ms when using mudfish.
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quote:PING 204.2.229.41 (204.2.229.41) 56(84) bytes of data. That seems fine to me. I don't remember what my ping was for the Montreal servers, though they were geographically much closer.
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network latency shouldn't really affect your ability to get into a final coil party though
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