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Did anyone see this btw? http://nbcsportsgrouppressbox.com/2...ay-17-on-nbcsn/quote:STAMFORD, Conn. May 15, 2017 NBCSN will debut NHL Game Changers | All-Time Greats, a 30-minute roundtable discussion featuring Stanley Cup champions and NHL legends Wayne Gretzky, Bobby Orr, Mario Lemieux, Sidney Crosby and Jonathan Toews, this Wednesday, May 17, at midnight ET. NHL legend Jonathan Toews.
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May 16, 2017 16:27
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Ginette Reno posted:Did anyone see this btw? http://nbcsportsgrouppressbox.com/2...ay-17-on-nbcsn/ quote:Toews: Im pinching myself right now. Its incredible to just be sitting here at this table. At least he gets it.
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May 16, 2017 16:28
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myron cope posted:Mears is boring but a light post is an upgrade over Steigerwald so cool. i feel you, either they don't actually realize he leads the playoffs in scoring or they actually do know but still think he just doesn't look like he's trying hard enough out there. Ginette Reno posted:Did anyone see this btw? http://nbcsportsgrouppressbox.com/2...ay-17-on-nbcsn/ pretty clever to include toews imo, makes sid look more like he belongs with the rest of that group by comparison 
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May 16, 2017 17:16
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Pornographic Memory posted:i feel you, either they don't actually realize he leads the playoffs in scoring or they actually do know but still think he just doesn't look like he's trying hard enough out there. Sometimes I get infuriated when I watch Malkin because the guy isn't afraid to try barreling through four guys by himself to try to get some offense going. Usually this results in a turnover but he has the offensive skill to occasionally turn it into a real scoring chance. I think Pens fans got used to his gaudy offensive play and think he's being lazy because his contributions have been more subtle as his game has matured. Neitherman fucked around with this message at 17:28 on May 16, 2017 |
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May 16, 2017 17:26
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Ginette Reno posted:He's not exactly brimming with personality but he won't be an obnoxious homer at least and he seems knowledgeable. That's because they were the only two guys on the team who were good enough shooters to occasionally score from deep along the side boards, which was the only place Mike Johnston allowed his team to shoot from Besides Crosby that is, who it is now clear just quit giving a gently caress early on in the Johnston era
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May 16, 2017 17:29
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Pornographic Memory posted:i feel you, either they don't actually realize he leads the playoffs in scoring or they actually do know but still think he just doesn't look like he's trying hard enough out there. He's been turning the puck over a lot, so bitching about him has a little merit
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May 16, 2017 17:31
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Malkin and Kessel are both floaty players, dumb hockey fans hate floaty players because it doesn't fit their preconception of effort and grit, the world keeps spinnin' Re: Kunitz chat, pretty funny how much he's declined in the past ~2 years. There's basically a threshold for middling players -- are they good enough for superstars like Crosby to make them look deadly, or do they drag the superstar down? Just a few years ago, Kunitz was still on the right side of that threshold, but not so much any more. I still think he's a fine middle/bottom 6 player, and he's at least earning his time with Malkin & Kessel for now. Ideally I'd like to see Rust in that spot, but we'll see what happens with his injury
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May 16, 2017 18:48
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May 16, 2017 18:57
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I just saw this quote, but  . Joey the pest is someone you laugh with and is fun to watch. Joey the pissy is somebody you laugh at. I'm curious to see how his new contract plays out.
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When the Leafs acquired Kessel there was an endless stream of talk about how he was a cherry-picking all-offense lazy player whose production was all Marc Savard, from Bruins fans on this very forum too. People had been writing about his attitude and work ethic since before he was drafted, it wasn't just a Toronto thing.
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May 16, 2017 19:42
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Pornographic Memory posted:i feel you, either they don't actually realize he leads the playoffs in scoring or they actually do know but still think he just doesn't look like he's trying hard enough out there. One argument would be, how amazing would he be if he wasn't out of shape, put effort into forechecking and backchecking and wasn't relying only on his raw talent to make the puck move fast and be sometimes weirdly ignored by defenders
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May 16, 2017 20:03
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I'd love to be as out of shape as Phil Kessel.
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May 16, 2017 20:24
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This "Kessel is out of shape" meme is really stupid.
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May 16, 2017 20:39
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It's just the fat steroid head that throws off his overall look and makes him look fat.
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May 16, 2017 20:54
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Short and stocky is the ideal sports build. All the great baseball players are short fat men and same with soccer. Phil isn't really short at 6 feet though but he's definitely got the stocky part down.
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May 16, 2017 20:58
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Aphrodite posted:It's just the fat steroid head that throws off his overall look and makes him look fat. I dunno https://www.instagram.com/p/BGqEDdbgRLY/
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May 16, 2017 20:58
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Kessel plays a lazy game, he is not the first winger to do to this and he won't be the last and several of them are in the hall of fame
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May 16, 2017 21:01
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Kalenn Istarion posted:One argument would be, how amazing would he be if he wasn't out of shape, put effort into forechecking and backchecking and wasn't relying only on his raw talent to make the puck move fast and be sometimes weirdly ignored by defenders Who even cares about his body type or fitness level when he has that shot? It isn't calculus that he isn't suited to being a 200', 2-way player, and any time he attempts something defensively is just gravy. Who even has a prettier shot than Fat Hotdog Guy? Ovie?
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Is there some reason Root won't bring back Mike Lange for the TV broadcast too or does he just not want to be bothered for it.
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:Who even cares about his body type or fitness level when he has that shot? It isn't calculus that he isn't suited to being a 200', 2-way player, and any time he attempts something defensively is just gravy. Who even has a prettier shot than Fat Hotdog Guy? Ovie? tarasenko semin if he's still playing somewhere (now that was a lazy fucker) joe sakic did before he stuck his hand in a lawn mower
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May 16, 2017 21:06
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bewbies posted:Kessel plays a lazy game, he is not the first winger to do to this and he won't be the last and several of them are in the hall of fame I don't know if lazy is the right word. He back checks. What irritates some people about Kessel is he's soft as hell in the corners. If he gets a puck and is about to get hit, that puck is being thrown away. If it's a 50/50 battle he's frequently going to bail out and let the other guy get it if there's a threat of contact. I don't think it's laziness though so much as self preservation. He doesn't like to get hit at all. It's a weird mentality since obviously 99% of NHLers are not that way, so it stands out a bit. Thing is he's so good with the puck on his stick and his style of play also means he almost never misses games. You just need to have him with the right linemates to maximize his talents. The reason he almost never plays with Crosby is Sid expects his linemates to cycle and that's the antithesis of Kessel's game. Malkin is just as happy playing a rush game as a cycle game so Kessel works much better with him. Getting mad at Kessel for not winning board battles though is just misplaced anger. It's not his game. Sullivan thankfully understands Kessel and is willing to let him do his thing.
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Ginette Reno posted:I don't know if lazy is the right word. He back checks. I'm going to try paying more attention to this next game.
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Schremp Howard posted:Is there some reason Root won't bring back Mike Lange for the TV broadcast too or does he just not want to be bothered for it.
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I miss The Thrill... Also the Phil is out of shape meme is so stupid.
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Kessel isn't lazy at all, not even in the defensive end. He just plays hockey like it's a non-contact sport. It gets him a "soft" rep but it also has a lot to do with his not having missed a game in like 47 years Which let me tell you is a loving breath of fresh air for the Penguins
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Eric the Mauve posted:Kessel isn't lazy at all, not even in the defensive end. He just plays hockey like it's a non-contact sport. It gets him a "soft" rep but it also has a lot to do with his not having missed a game in like 47 years Wasn't that kinda the way Chris Chelios played too? He was never a very physical guy but was able to play basically forever?
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Crosby and Letang get hurt a lot in part because some opponents go out of their way to hurt them, that's true, but it also has a lot to do with the fact those guys just HAVE to go after every puck, they just can't help themselves, and sometimes they put themselves in positions to get hurt. Like Jultz's probably season/possibly Penguins tenure ending injury last night, Kessel would 100% have skated around that puck and tried to deflect it when the opponent tried to move it around the boards. It's just what he does. Sometimes it's annoying and you don't really want more than a couple guys on your team who play that way (though actually it's impressive how often Kessel succeeds at preventing the opponent from gaining clean possession even after allowing the opponent to get to the puck first) but it DOES have a lot to do with Kessel never missing a game.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrgYmRBnjg Also funny IIRC Clarkson had just signed that great contract to save the leafs and got slapped with 20 games for leaving the bench during that brawl. Simpler times.
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JoelJoel posted:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrgYmRBnjg gently caress Dave Nonis.
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DJExile posted:Wasn't that kinda the way Chris Chelios played too? He was never a very physical guy but was able to play basically forever? This was also Nick Lidstrom, right? I feel like I heard that description before
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It's almost like not grinding their bodies to dust allows great players to play longer. Who knew? -e- Forgot a to Stretch Marx fucked around with this message at 22:58 on May 16, 2017 |
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myron cope posted:This was also Nick Lidstrom, right? I feel like I heard that description before I don't know if I'd group Lidstrom or Chelios with Kessel. Granted I was much younger when I watched Lidstrom and Chelios so I could be totally off base, but I don't remember either of them being unusually physical in either direction. Not throwing big hitz all the time, but definitely not totally contact-averse either. Kessel is kind of a special snowflake in terms of how much he avoids contact. And so long as he can do that while keeping his scoring touch and injury-free streak, I'll take his "soft" play all day every day.
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Eric the Mauve posted:Crosby and Letang get hurt a lot in part because some opponents go out of their way to hurt them, that's true, but it also has a lot to do with the fact those guys just HAVE to go after every puck, they just can't help themselves, and sometimes they put themselves in positions to get hurt. Like Jultz's probably season/possibly Penguins tenure ending injury last night, Kessel would 100% have skated around that puck and tried to deflect it when the opponent tried to move it around the boards. It's just what he does. Sometimes it's annoying and you don't really want more than a couple guys on your team who play that way (though actually it's impressive how often Kessel succeeds at preventing the opponent from gaining clean possession even after allowing the opponent to get to the puck first) but it DOES have a lot to do with Kessel never missing a game. ~*the candle that burns brightest burns the fastest*~ also i had a pretty depressing realization last night about how many penguins have had concussions in this season/playoffs alone - hornqvist x2, crosby x2, hagelin, sheary, jultz, guentzel, rust (probably) last night...seems kind of relevant to a conversation about players burning themselves out early
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Aphrodite posted:It's just the fat steroid head that throws off his overall look and makes him look fat. Honestly I thought this the other day. Not the anabolic kind, but the cortizone / prednisone kind. Possible he's on cortical steroids for some kind of inflammatory condition I guess. Ginette Reno posted:I don't know if lazy is the right word. He back checks. I still think some of it's laziness and he could be even more effective with more effort, but I could also somewhat buy an argument that he's just one of those slippery guys that just dodges getting hit all the loving time. I saw a guy that can't have been more than 5'2" playing in a junior hockey showcase tourney I reffed last weekend and I was expecting him to get loving plastered but nobody got a solid hit on him the entire game. He just found ways to dish the puck (safely, not just panic dumping) or straight up dodge all these 6'+ guys who kept trying to murder him. My opinion of this kid was helped by the fact that he has gold star hockey hair down to mid-back and wears a massively over-sized jersey untucked so it hangs to his loving knees. Literally this, except the guy is in his late teens: 
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DJExile posted:Wasn't that kinda the way Chris Chelios played too? He was never a very physical guy but was able to play basically forever? Chelios was mean as heck. If you tried to hit him he'd just elbow you or get his stick up. He was also really smart though and just never put himself in bad positions.
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DJExile posted:Wasn't that kinda the way Chris Chelios played too? He was never a very physical guy but was able to play basically forever? Chelios definitely didn't shy away from physical play. He was skilled enough to able to use his stick and positioning effectively, so he wasn't a "hit first" kinda guy, but he had a mean streak, too. He'd hit guys for the hell of it, not because he had no other choice. He had almost 3000 PIM and dozens of fights. I recall John Davidson commenting on how he had become less aggressive in the late 90s, and recounting his reputation as a nasty guy in the past. He was always a tough player, he just wasn't one of the oversized intimidators who would hit at every chance, since he was also very skilled. myron cope posted:This was also Nick Lidstrom, right? I feel like I heard that description before Lidstrom was much more effective with some space, so for the last years of his career, Kronwall would always be the one to go back and retrieve the puck on dump-ins, regardless of side. He was so good with his stick and positioning that he didn't need to hit much. That being said, they were both still defensemen who would use their bodies when needed. Kessel is a forward and he's way more effective both at forechecking and backchecking without throwing hits.
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