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fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:

Bombadilillo posted:

Then you cant read. Dudes at end of A and asking about B.

You spouting "30 hours is too long" multiple times is stupid and wrong, and you claiming to know better has me confused to why you are parroting crap.

drat do not get on this guys bad side when discussing his favourite anime softcore porn game. Watch out!

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Fuzz
Jun 2, 2003

Avatar brought to you by the TG Sanity fund

PenguinKnight posted:

90% of those were on the computer, and when i was a kid i spent more of my time on ms comic chat than playing games on it. the rest of my time as a kid were awful N64 games like Superman 64

Standing by my "young" statement.

Shame about Telltale games streamlining everything... I played Tales of Monkey Island and it was pretty good, thought all of them were like that.

A True Jar Jar Fan
Nov 3, 2003

Primadonna

Nier is good, you can ride a moose and a big pig and Emil's song rules.

Bombadilillo
Feb 28, 2009

The dock really fucks a case or nerfing it.

fridge corn posted:

drat do not get on this guys bad side when discussing his favourite anime softcore robot porn game. Watch out!

Don't forget that part.

coolskull
Nov 11, 2007

breaking in here to clarify my previous statement: I really, really like ladies' butts.

spudsbuckley
Aug 29, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

(and can't post for 5 years!)

DrNutt posted:

Any amount of time spent playing a game you don't enjoy is a waste. gently caress, go read a book, go play outside, or play any of the literally thousands upon thousands of other games out there, some of which you may actually enjoy.

I've tried having this argument here before but there are an awful lot of folks that will do dumb poo poo like grind poo poo for 10s of hours or do multiple playthroughs of stuff with their own hosed up self imposed restrictions and then complain about how annoying it is.

Miss Mowcher
Jul 24, 2007

Ribbit
So... I got Bloodborne+DLC thanks for the suggestions thread! I'll but the others later (Last of Us I think I can borrow from a friend, also, after years of steam/gog only gaming... borrowing games feels so nostalgic).

Btw: Nier:A owns

Bombadilillo
Feb 28, 2009

The dock really fucks a case or nerfing it.

spudsbuckley posted:

I've tried having this argument here before but there are an awful lot of folks that will do dumb poo poo like grind poo poo for 10s of hours or do multiple playthroughs of stuff with their own hosed up self imposed restrictions and then complain about how annoying it is.

That sentence doesn't equate "Any amount of time spent playing a game you don't enjoy is a waste."

I'll suffer through a tramride start, or a bad boss to get to better content. I wont grind for 10 hours. Everyone has that threshold and I am not surprised you found goons with a hilarious threshold for self punishment.

But, ANY amount of time, is so absurd to be meaningless.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

Bombadilillo posted:

Also its very worth getting past slow starts or bad parts of some games. That's just absolutist and silly. "Crafting this quiver is boring, guess Ill stop playing Horizon"

Thanks for the passive aggressive dig.

I got to the parts you mentioned before I stopped playing. They didn't do much for me, and I had Nier in front of me.

I also really wasn't thinking of quiver crafting, more or less the ammo crafting system and obsessively picking up red plants for health instead of a sane system where health autorecover in safe zones or at checkpoints.

The quiver crafting was pretty high level bullshit to be honest. I had blocked it out of my mind. I did in fact stop trying to make quivers eventually.

Bombadilillo
Feb 28, 2009

The dock really fucks a case or nerfing it.

ZZZorcerer posted:

So... I got Bloodborne+DLC thanks for the suggestions thread! I'll but the others later (Last of Us I think I can borrow from a friend, also, after years of steam/gog only gaming... borrowing games feels so nostalgic).

Btw: Nier:A owns

Awesome, enjoy Bloodborne!

Note there are some good weapons in the DLC, you can start it and leave it as you please after you are able to access it, so it might be worth it to take some trips in earlier to see what you can find. (or lookup how to do suicide runs to early juicy loot if you like)

acksplode
May 17, 2004



Yeah even Horizon has its slow opening hours. Different people are going to have different tolerance thresholds for stuff they don't enjoy and feel differently about the rewards for enduring it. I had to drag myself through Nier:A at times but I'm really glad I did. And I'm glad there are people who are willing to evangelize for it because otherwise people who might've enjoyed it wouldn't try it at all.

Bombadilillo
Feb 28, 2009

The dock really fucks a case or nerfing it.

exploded mummy posted:

Thanks for the passive aggressive dig.

I got to the parts you mentioned before I stopped playing. They didn't do much for me, and I had Nier in front of me.

I also really wasn't thinking of quiver crafting, more or less the ammo crafting system and obsessively picking up red plants for health instead of a sane system where health autorecover in safe zones or at checkpoints.

The quiver crafting was pretty high level bullshit to be honest. I had blocked it out of my mind. I did in fact stop trying to make quivers eventually.

I was thinking of me, not you, I found the crafting and hunting with drop chances bad, but I'm glad I pushed through because I really liked the rest of the game even though there was an amount of time I wasn't having fun. Just the first example that came to mind.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost
Now I feel like a heel.

Bombadilillo
Feb 28, 2009

The dock really fucks a case or nerfing it.

exploded mummy posted:

Now I feel like a heel.

To be fair, I should eat all my words, because I should have given up on Prey because that never paid off. gently caress that game.

Horizon is good though just to the main quest.

ashpanash
Apr 9, 2008

I can see when you are lying.

acksplode posted:

Yeah even Horizon has its slow opening hours. Different people are going to have different tolerance thresholds for stuff they don't enjoy and feel differently about the rewards for enduring it. I had to drag myself through Nier:A at times but I'm really glad I did. And I'm glad there are people who are willing to evangelize for it because otherwise people who might've enjoyed it wouldn't try it at all.

I can understand that interpretation. To my mind, it seemed a little small at first, but everything it set up paid off, especially when the story opens up and you see how deep the rabbit hole actually goes. I also appreciated that the story gets larger in concert with the available map getting larger. Nice touch.

It really helped that I find the core gameplay mechanics incredibly fun. I haven't played the new Zelda, because why the hell would I buy a switch to play one game, but the controls and some of the combat from Horizon reminded me of the smoothness and feel that I remember from playing Zeldas of the past, with awesome extra additions. I believe everyone who tells me that the new Zelda is fantastic, but I doubt its story is anywhere as good as Horizon's, because Zelda never really cared that much about the narrative in the first place.

I mean, Horizon found a way to justify "hunting robot dinosaurs" in the story that wasn't completely absurd. Only very absurd. That's an achievement all in itself.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

I'd argue the backstory to the world of Horizon is a little too on the nose that it's incredibly depressing.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Jimbot posted:

I'd argue the backstory to the world of Horizon is a little too on the nose that it's incredibly depressing.

John Gonzalez started writing the story 4-5 years ago so he definitely saw which way the wind was blowing.

Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

"Ah," Ratz had said, at last, "the artiste."
While we're discussing why you should or shouldn't hate Nier, is Divinity II worth $15 on PS4? It just went on sale this week and playing XCom 2 this weekend renewed my love of turn-based combat.

Bombadilillo
Feb 28, 2009

The dock really fucks a case or nerfing it.

ashpanash posted:

I can understand that interpretation. To my mind, it seemed a little small at first, but everything it set up paid off, especially when the story opens up and you see how deep the rabbit hole actually goes. I also appreciated that the story gets larger in concert with the available map getting larger. Nice touch.

It really helped that I find the core gameplay mechanics incredibly fun. I haven't played the new Zelda, because why the hell would I buy a switch to play one game, but the controls and some of the combat from Horizon reminded me of the smoothness and feel that I remember from playing Zeldas of the past, with awesome extra additions. I believe everyone who tells me that the new Zelda is fantastic, but I doubt its story is anywhere as good as Horizon's, because Zelda never really cared that much about the narrative in the first place.

I mean, Horizon found a way to justify "hunting robot dinosaurs" in the story that wasn't completely absurd. Only very absurd. That's an achievement all in itself.

Zeldas story is 20 minutes of main plot in a possibly 100 hour game (30 minutes if you do Tarry Town). So yeah, not a better story. The open world IS amazing however. So much so that it man every minute of open world in Horizon feel terrible.

Renoistic
Jul 27, 2007

Everyone has a
guardian angel.
I was hooked on the first Nier from the intro until the last ending.

It took me a lot longer to warm up to Nier A. The story is actually pretty interesting and some of the areas and bosses are really neat, and the music is good, but I didn't really feel any of the characters or their dialogue. If it weren't for the fantastic final ending I would have been pretty disappointed, to be honest. Stuff like that ending is a big part of why I still play games, and it made up for a lot of my problems with the game. That, and the fact that you can buy trophies with in game currency was enough to get me to Platinum it. Much easier than getting a Platinum for the first game!

I AM THE TOILET
Jul 11, 2016
but are videogames art

is the anime titty

art?

Bombadilillo
Feb 28, 2009

The dock really fucks a case or nerfing it.

I AM THE TOILET posted:

but are videogames art

is the anime titty

art?

No*

Yes

*yes if it has the anime titty

Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

Pls my anime pedo poo poo is art

SeXTcube
Jan 1, 2009

Bombadilillo posted:

No*

Yes

*yes if it has the anime titty
I thought Nier: A is a game for the rear end man though. Where does it classify?

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:

breaking in here to clarify my previous statement: I really, really like ladies' butts.

Same but butts in general

acksplode
May 17, 2004



Bombadilillo posted:

Zeldas story is 20 minutes of main plot in a possibly 100 hour game (30 minutes if you do Tarry Town). So yeah, not a better story. The open world IS amazing however. So much so that it man every minute of open world in Horizon feel terrible.

Yeah playing Zelda before Horizon was a mistake. It's utterly gorgeous, but it's a more traditional look-but-don't-touch video game environment. Exploration without climbing or hang-gliding feels like I'm missing a drat limb.

8-Bit Scholar
Jan 23, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

ashpanash posted:

I mean, if it takes 30 hours of tedious grinding and an absurd, seemingly meaningless/inscrutable narrative

Aliens invaded, robots fight to save mankind. Not exactly a hard concept to grasp, and "inscrutable" doesn't mean it's bad, it means you didn't understand it.

There's no grinding. The only tedium is that you kind of have to replay large sections of the game, but they do a bunch of stuff to make those sections interesting.

8-Bit Scholar
Jan 23, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Renoistic posted:

I was hooked on the first Nier from the intro until the last ending.

It took me a lot longer to warm up to Nier A. The story is actually pretty interesting and some of the areas and bosses are really neat, and the music is good, but I didn't really feel any of the characters or their dialogue. If it weren't for the fantastic final ending I would have been pretty disappointed, to be honest. Stuff like that ending is a big part of why I still play games, and it made up for a lot of my problems with the game. That, and the fact that you can buy trophies with in game currency was enough to get me to Platinum it. Much easier than getting a Platinum for the first game!

For me, I found that the context I had after beating the game really made all of the characters feel so much more interesting; in a way, I feel like the game is intended to have you see these beings as human by the end, but you begin considering them not. It's that shift in the player's perspective that gives the game's narrative its subtle strength.

Ammanas
Jul 17, 2005

Voltes V: "Laser swooooooooord!"
Like six weeks back I dumped on bloodborne, called it dog poo poo and gently caress FROM and gently caress anyone who likes Souls game

I was wrong.

Bloodborne owns.

It's really loving good.

My bad, dudes.

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:

Ammanas posted:

Like six weeks back I dumped on bloodborne, called it dog poo poo and gently caress FROM and gently caress anyone who likes Souls game

I was wrong.

Bloodborne owns.

It's really loving good.

My bad, dudes.

It just clicked for me too last week. Having so much fun with it now

Bombadilillo
Feb 28, 2009

The dock really fucks a case or nerfing it.

Steve Jorbs posted:

I thought Nier: A is a game for the rear end man though. Where does it classify?

Double art

acksplode posted:

Yeah playing Zelda before Horizon was a mistake. It's utterly gorgeous, but it's a more traditional look-but-don't-touch video game environment. Exploration without climbing or hang-gliding feels like I'm missing a drat limb.

100%.

Thats a great description.

Namnesor
Jun 29, 2005

Dante's allowance - $100

Ammanas posted:

Like six weeks back I dumped on bloodborne, called it dog poo poo and gently caress FROM and gently caress anyone who likes Souls game

I was wrong.

Bloodborne owns.

It's really loving good.

My bad, dudes.

We don't require an apology, you enjoying Bloodborne is more than enough. :unsmith:

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

Ammanas posted:

Like six weeks back I dumped on bloodborne, called it dog poo poo and gently caress FROM and gently caress anyone who likes Souls game

I was wrong.

Bloodborne owns.

It's really loving good.

My bad, dudes.

This happened to me in September and I've been playing Souls games pretty much non stop since then 😳

chocolateTHUNDER
Jul 19, 2008

GIVE ME ALL YOUR FREE AGENTS

ALL OF THEM
Finished Prey today so I'll cross post my thoughts on it from that thread:


quote:

Finished today at just over 20 hours. Really good game - enjoyed it a lot. Shame the patch for ps4 just hit today because I loaded it up with only ~45 minutes of game left to finish this afternoon. The controls seem fixed and sound mixing much better, so that's good.

Definitely will do another run through in a few months probably. The only Typhon powers I took for my playthrough was mimick 1 so I figure I'll delve hard into those next time.


Definitely recommend the game. The world they build is awesome; how interconnected the space station is and all the little details and secrets and stuff are really cool. The combat starts off kinda meh but gets much better once you start getting upgrades and mixing your weapons and powers together for fun combos and stuff. Story is interesting throughout, though depending on how much you like to explore you can go a loooongggg time without advancing it.

ashpanash
Apr 9, 2008

I can see when you are lying.

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Aliens invaded, robots fight to save mankind. Not exactly a hard concept to grasp, and "inscrutable" doesn't mean it's bad, it means you didn't understand it.

There's no grinding. The only tedium is that you kind of have to replay large sections of the game, but they do a bunch of stuff to make those sections interesting.

Don't give me this bullshit. I am not implying that you are an idiot for liking the story or that the game is bad. That is not my position. I accept that people like the story and that the gameplay is appealing for many people, and I can accept the game's quality. But don't piss all over me and call it rain. You may like the narrative, and for all I know the narrative may get better, but after ten hours and Ending A, this is how I see it: The loving idiot stock anime Adam/Eve characters make no sense, and the motivations of 2B vacillate from one extreme (emotionless, condescending) to another (absolute love and devotion) without any justification.

As for grinding, running through the combat itself is grinding enough for me, as I don't like the mechanics. If you do, that's fine, but I find myself utterly bored as I move from place to place trying to get to the story parts everyone is heralding. Combine that with the asinine gating of fast-travel and it's a grind. For me.

You can defend the game all you want, and I get that you want to defend a game that you like. But calling me an idiot because I have a different opinion isn't an argument, it's being loving obnoxious. Get over yourself.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Art with a capital F

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Ammanas posted:

Like six weeks back I dumped on bloodborne, called it dog poo poo and gently caress FROM and gently caress anyone who likes Souls game

I was wrong.

Bloodborne owns.

It's really loving good.

My bad, dudes.

Heheh, yeah, I think I bagged on you at that time. Glad you like it. I have a thought that might disturb your very foundations: You probably like Souls games now, too, and you haven't even realized it yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC3OuLU5XCw

Bloodsouls happens to be highly contagious, and %100 fatal.



Coughing Hobo posted:

We don't require an apology, you enjoying Bloodborne is more than enough. :unsmith:

:yeah:









Also, last time this thread dissolved into poo poo and everybody hated it...I think I was partly responsible. But it's my turn now. Okay, here goes: This thread is terrible. :ssj:

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

chocolateTHUNDER posted:

Finished Prey today so I'll cross post my thoughts on it from that thread:



Definitely recommend the game. The world they build is awesome; how interconnected the space station is and all the little details and secrets and stuff are really cool. The combat starts off kinda meh but gets much better once you start getting upgrades and mixing your weapons and powers together for fun combos and stuff. Story is interesting throughout, though depending on how much you like to explore you can go a loooongggg time without advancing it.
I'll definitely try it once they fix the awful controls in the PS4 version...or have they already?

blackguy32
Oct 1, 2005

Say, do you know how to do the walk?

Ammanas posted:

Like six weeks back I dumped on bloodborne, called it dog poo poo and gently caress FROM and gently caress anyone who likes Souls game

I was wrong.

Bloodborne owns.

It's really loving good.

My bad, dudes.

I love Bloodborne because it simplifies things. The fact that there aren't hundreds of weapons was a plus in my book. Hell, I used the Hunter's Pistol until the end of the game.

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Bombadilillo
Feb 28, 2009

The dock really fucks a case or nerfing it.

chocolateTHUNDER posted:

Finished Prey today so I'll cross post my thoughts on it from that thread:



Definitely recommend the game. The world they build is awesome; how interconnected the space station is and all the little details and secrets and stuff are really cool. The combat starts off kinda meh but gets much better once you start getting upgrades and mixing your weapons and powers together for fun combos and stuff. Story is interesting throughout, though depending on how much you like to explore you can go a loooongggg time without advancing it.

I have no experience with the patch. But I disagree with all this.

The game before powers was trash combat, only getting better by it being over quicker. The enemy design was trash and unvaried. It never rose to the level of fun.

I did enjoy how the world opened up and connected, but that highlighted the ships ridiculous design. You have to get to the bridge through the arboritum? :crossarms: the exterior shortcuts were terrible.

I enjoyed the story telling around midgame before it collapsed. It got pretty good. But everything was mired in terrible gameplay and I hated every minute of it. I eventually leveled health enough to run through areas to get to the ending. Which...

I never feel the need to play this again. The power variety doesnt intrigue me because I don't want to interact with the trash enemies in any way and the story isn't worth the slog. If the patch suddenly fixed all the controls and gameplay, I still wouldn't care to return.

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