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Obligatum VII posted:You seem to be assuming I had dropped packets before. A latency increase with no packet loss before or after is still a shittier scenario. That being said, I know full well that 89 ms isn't actually that terrible, I wasn't being serious about the NIN comment. there are enough people being really loving stupid about this today and cancelling their accounts because of a loving 40ms ping increase that no comment is too out there
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How bad NA people can have it anyway? I didn't see anyone mentioning 100+, which isn't just playable but actually good.
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Shy posted:How bad NA people can have it anyway? I didn't see anyone mentioning 100+, which isn't just playable but actually good. I don't know what the old Excalibur IP was to compare my ping to.
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There's not really much meaningful difference for me in Australia. Plus I'd already chosen to play with friends on Cactuar rather than move to the unofficial Australian server as it was. Given I normally play with +300ms ping it's amusing to see everyone freak out over small latency Increases.
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Have you checked it? I think the move should benefit Australians somewhat.
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Attorney at Funk posted:I don't know what the old Excalibur IP was to compare my ping to. 204.2.229.41
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Office Surprise Store posted:there are enough people being really loving stupid about this today and cancelling their accounts because of a loving 40ms ping increase that no comment is too out there Tanaka wouldn't have allowed this to happen.
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i'm impressed that the ffxiv forums arent as bad as i was expecting if this was wow i think the entire dev team would have been murdered by now
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Office Surprise Store posted:oh my god i am getting so loving sick of people who know literally nothing about how network architecture works
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Well, looks like i'm up to 202ms now (though i can't remember my original ping in the first place) What's the most lag-friendly class that i can level so i won't have to pay for a server transfer
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Office Surprise Store posted:there are enough people being really loving stupid about this today and cancelling their accounts because of a loving 40ms ping increase that no comment is too out there You're really upset about some poo poo that didn't happen, do you need someone to talk to?
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Looks like I'm at 96 now on Time Warner in SC, but I can't remember what it was before.
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Office Surprise Store posted:that is a route right now, east coast, to the old server area. notice the * * * - that's a completely hosed up non-response. this is the new area. That's not packet loss, that's a hop configured not to respond to tracert.
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I'm curious as to why they moved it clear across the country from florida to california, why wouldn't putting it in like texas or something be the best idea? That way it's in the middle.
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Obligatum VII posted:You seem to be assuming I had dropped packets before. A latency increase with no packet loss before or after is still a shittier scenario. That being said, I know full well that 89 ms isn't actually that terrible, I wasn't being serious about the NIN comment. i wanted to let you know that i think people are being unfair to you, and i greatly appreciate all those times you stepped up and went to bat for people on the west coast who had way worse connections than that for the past four years. your self-sacrifice is humbling.
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oh wait, you didn't give a single poo poo.
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Thumbtacks posted:I'm curious as to why they moved it clear across the country from florida to california, why wouldn't putting it in like texas or something be the best idea? That way it's in the middle. They moved it from Montreal to Sacramento where they have a direct connection to a pipe between japan and the USA that they own. The server was likely in Montreal as a compromise location for the combined NA/EU datacenter because they had no idea that the game would actually succeed or not. Since there's an actual EU server now, no reason to not just park it in basically their backyard. IIRC Sacramento was also the location for FFXI.
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on the note of routing: i'm the retarded level3 connection that loops from philly to nyc before hitching a ride across the country with ntt
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Mr. Nice! posted:They moved it from Montreal to Sacramento where they have a direct connection to a pipe between japan and the USA that they own. The server was likely in Montreal as a compromise location for the combined NA/EU datacenter because they had no idea that the game would actually succeed or not. Since there's an actual EU server now, no reason to not just park it in basically their backyard. IIRC Sacramento was also the location for FFXI. oh that makes way more sense i have no idea where i heard that it was in florida
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Reiterpallasch posted:oh wait, you didn't give a single poo poo. We didn't have any more say in it than you guys did in getting them to put the servers somewhere not retarded now. Enjoy your 8ms ping while you tell us all to check our privilege or whatever it is that drives your rage against the East Coast.
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yall need god and to get a drat grip
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Big east coast player here, my ping doubled and I don't care
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My ping went up 7 ms and I am outraged.
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My ping to old Excal was around 260ms (220 now) and could do Titan Ex fine when it was relevant, so this whole discussion is moot.
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strong bird posted:yall need god and to get a drat grip
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Big Ping, Big Life
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Zaodai posted:We didn't have any more say in it than you guys did in getting them to put the servers somewhere not retarded now. I don't recall getting snippy about any of this until people came in and took out their frustrations on other posters in this thread. I don't recall ever making any comments, insulting or not insulting, about people from the east coast. I'm pretty sure my first reaction was "huh, that's weird, I wonder why they did it that way, there must've been a reason," and I did my limited best to contribute to the discussion. I suspect that, regardless of the displayed ping numbers, the majority of people on the east coast will see a subjective improvement in their play experience, since online gaming is about your worst-case packet performance and the worst-case routing from most places on the east coast to Montreal is still loving dire. I didn't have a weirdass hostile hangup where I treated people who lived in Quebec as personally responsible for ruining my life, and I'd be happy to give up my 8ms ping if there was a viable alternative that served more people. and if you didn't have any say in where the serveres were placed, you definitely had the option to read what all the network people were saying in here and maybe trust us a little bit instead of deciding that you For Sure This Time are the expert on what counts as retarded and what doesn't in datacenter architecture
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for god's sake, i grew up in new england and i loved it there
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gently caress, i've been trolled, haven't i
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Reiterpallasch posted:gently caress, i've been trolled, haven't i it's really hard to tell at this point
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When we get AI dungeon party members, I hope I can fill it out not with my squadies, but with my beastie besties, including the black mage crew.
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i mean screaming about packet loss at a dude who wasn't having packet loss issues makes your whole 'i've been nothing but calm and reasonable' defense fall a bit flat
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bad routing isn't equivalent to packet loss, though of course that's one of the symptoms. you'd rather have a steady 80ms ping than a 60ms ping that sometimes spikes to 150 for online gaming.
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Reiterpallasch posted:bad routing isn't equivalent to packet loss, though of course that's one of the symptoms. you'd rather have a steady 80ms ping than a 60ms ping that sometimes spikes to 150 for online gaming. that's what i get from speaking from personal experience whenever level3 decides i don't get to play tonight and sure *** might mean that it doesn't respond but when i get a shitload of * 120ms * or * 990ms 30ms that's the routing loving up
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i'm literally looking at mtr to montreal on an amazon us-east-1 instance right now and even with no packet loss the latency is spiking around like a methhead's heart rate. that manifests as annoying inexplicable rubberbanding and client/server disagreement in a game.
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but what's ur ping
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Skaw posted:When we get AI dungeon party members, I hope I can fill it out not with my squadies, but with my beastie besties, including the black mage crew. he's finally here casting flare at you he's the first member of the black mage crew
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Reiterpallasch posted:i wanted to let you know that i think people are being unfair to you, and i greatly appreciate all those times you stepped up and went to bat for people on the west coast who had way worse connections than that for the past four years. your self-sacrifice is humbling. I never once actively was a snide rear end in a top hat to west coasters either. The server location was what it was and I absolutely would have been nothing but positive in reaction to the server going to a central location. My only solace is that the plight of australians may be lessened somewhat; they are the true gaming pariahs. Skaw posted:When we get AI dungeon party members, I hope I can fill it out not with my squadies, but with my beastie besties, including the black mage crew. I always felt it was a crime that we couldn't get beast tribe squaddies. Obligatum VII fucked around with this message at 01:05 on May 17, 2017 |
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all of the australia-us cables terminate in the pacific northwest, sadly, though generally the hop from the pnw to california isn't too bad. probably better than trying to hoof it out across the desolate canadian heartland, anyway.
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Obligatum VII posted:I always felt it was a crime that we couldn't get beast tribe squaddies.
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