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Julio Cruz posted:I'm still skeptical about this conclusion. For one thing, pitches Bonds sees at 0-2 are not going to have the same ball-strike ratio as pitches he sees at 3-0. You may be overthinking this internet comedian's scenario of Barry Bonds playing baseball without a bat
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Intruder posted:You may be overthinking this internet comedian's scenario of Barry Bonds playing baseball without a bat Have you actually watched the video? Because there's no way Jon Bois is just making a joke. He says himself he's trying to be as accurate as possible.
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I think it was first written in one of BP's books that you could split Barrold's career roughly into thirds (86-93, 94-00, 01-07), and each third would be a borderline Hall of Fame LF by JAWS. I forget whether they mentioned that on the EW episode I linked.
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May 16, 2017 19:22
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R.D. Mangles posted:It is 2017 and we're getting a lackey vs arroyo game Darkest Timeline. Edit: Although Len Kasper always seems to have fun calling Arroyo games, for whatever reason.
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R.D. Mangles posted:It is 2017 and we're getting a lackey vs arroyo game It's actually the second Lackey vs. Arroyo game of 2017 
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Inspector_666 posted:So I just got into a discussion about classifying the various balls in play with Ice Fist and I could have sworn there was a recent FanGraphs article about this very issue, specifically the difference between a fly ball, line drive, and pop-up. Anybody know which one I'm talking about? So I found the article, but I think the responses to the Tweet Jeff sent when he published it are actually better. https://twitter.com/jeffwzimmerman/status/860222343288934401
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Inspector_666 posted:So I found the article, but I think the responses to the Tweet Jeff sent when he published it are actually better. That graph is a big Melo fan.
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Inspector_666 posted:So I found the article, but I think the responses to the Tweet Jeff sent when he published it are actually better. During aforementioned discussion I said that if a computer would try to classify a batted ball that was around 65mph exit velocity at 35 degrees said computer would literally explode during the attempt.
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Kalenn Istarion posted:No, what I said was he was a known user who was found guilty of lying to court. And that verdict got overturned, so no. It was a stupid irrelevant witch hunt and meanwhile McGwire continues to work in baseball, because he only used 'steroids for health reasons'.
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IcePhoenix posted:This doesn't even do it justice. It was the bottom of the ninth and walking him made it a one run game I just want to note that there's an overlay in that clip listing "Mark McGwife" with 7 IBB and I had a good chuckle from it.
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Oh also here's a Q&A between Jeff Passan and Adam Jones. Definitely check it out.
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Ice Fist posted:During aforementioned discussion I said that if a computer would try to classify a batted ball that was around 65mph exit velocity at 35 degrees said computer would literally explode during the attempt. I dunno anything at 0 degrees seems to defy logic.
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So i haven't followed baseball in any serious matter for years, but i've gotten back into it this season. Any goon-approved baseball podcasts I should check out?
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IcePhoenix posted:This doesn't even do it justice. It was the bottom of the ninth and walking him made it a one run game
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Pancakes posted:Just quickly, career defensive WAR: In related news, Andruw Jones should go into the Hall of Fame sooner rather than later.
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Earth Table posted:So i haven't followed baseball in any serious matter for years, but i've gotten back into it this season. Any goon-approved baseball podcasts I should check out? Try Effectively Wild. Done by the Baseball Prospectus guys.
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elentar posted:In related news, Andruw Jones should go into the Hall of Fame sooner rather than later. In theory I'd be on board but I feel vindictive for the Jim Edmonds snub. No justice, no peace?
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Pancakes posted:In theory I'd be on board but I feel vindictive for the Jim Edmonds snub. No justice, no peace? Especially since Edmonds was a better hitter than Jones, by a fair bit. Although Jones seems like the better fielder, which is saying something.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:I dunno anything at 0 degrees seems to defy logic. There's a bunch of balls at exactly 0 degrees with random classifications, most likely data entry errors.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Especially since Edmonds was a better hitter than Jones, by a fair bit. Although Jones seems like the better fielder, which is saying something. Edmonds was probably closer to an average fielder than anything, he just made a lot of highlight reel plays because he positioned himself like an idiot. But still, even an average fielding CF with a bat like that not being in the hall is sad.
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The Walrus posted:Either PEDs are allowed or their use excludes you from the HOF, I'm not sure there's a middle ground. OR you punish ped use when players play and not have it matter for the HOF because everyone in baseball ever loving cheats at something.
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The Walrus posted:how do you know how good of a player he would have been if he didn't cheat? you can have a pretty good idea, but you can never be sure. *cooperstown vanishes suddenly*
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IcePhoenix posted:Edmonds was probably closer to an average fielder than anything, he just made a lot of highlight reel plays because he positioned himself like an idiot. On the other hand edmonds.swf
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Citizen Tayne posted:*cooperstown vanishes suddenly* Having been to Cooperstown before I'm not 100% sure this is a bad thing, though I'd feel bad for basically the entire town losing their jobs.
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The Walrus posted:how do you know how good of a player he would have been if he didn't cheat? you can have a pretty good idea, but you can never be sure. Because you take the player's results in the context of the environment he played in. Unless you want to start booting guys based on factor like pre-integration, the height of the mound, spitballs, etc Also I can't believe we're having the "This HOFer wouldn't have been good without PEDs" discussion in 2017
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Inspector_666 posted:Also You get a .600 OBP without the bat because pitchers are afraid of your 'roid-enhanced arms
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Kalenn Istarion posted:You get a .600 OBP without the bat because pitchers are afraid of your 'roid-enhanced arms I know you're mostly just trying to stir poo poo, but you do realize that most of those pitchers were throwing with 'roid-enhanced arms...right?
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Ambassador of Funk posted:I know you're mostly just trying to stir poo poo At least somebody noticed
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RC and Moon Pie posted:Luke Maile is hitting .030 for the season. Pretty darn good behind the plate in the absence of Russ Martin.
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I went to today's Jays game, that's the second time in history I've seen them lose live. Estrada couldn't settle down and Osuna goofed it real bad. My friend works for the Jays and she said Dickey came around saying hi to everyone who works there, giving hugs and handshakes, because Dickey is a good good man. She wanted to make him cookies but her boss wouldn't let her because he isn't a Blue Jay anymore. She had to make whatever dessert Morales and Estrada asked for, it was their turn apparently. 
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RC and Moon Pie posted:Luke Maile is hitting .030 for the season. Because the Jays don't even have a literal garbage pail to stick behind the plate while Martin is injured. He's pretty good defensively and he hasn't had a huge number of PAs so even one hit will bump that up but he is sucking with the bat Punting Salty is looking like one of Gibby's dumber moves imo
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The Berzerker posted:My friend works for the Jays and she said Dickey came around saying hi to everyone who works there, giving hugs and handshakes, because Dickey is a good good man. She wanted to make him cookies but her boss wouldn't let her because he isn't a Blue Jay anymore. I wonder if this is an actual baseball rule? Like you can't make baked goods if you're employed with a team for a member of another team just in case.
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Grittybeard posted:I wonder if this is an actual baseball rule? Like you can't make baked goods if you're employed with a team for a member of another team just in case. I would assume they lump it in with tampering rules. Few future free agents can resist delicious fresh made cookies.
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Grittybeard posted:I wonder if this is an actual baseball rule? Like you can't make baked goods if you're employed with a team for a member of another team just in case. Obviously that's how the drugs got in Colabello's system, he got a tainted cannoli from the Yankees kitchen staff
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The Walrus posted:Couple pages back but lol at people thinking Bonds should be in the HoF. Sorry, cheaters don't get in. He was a very very good cheater, yes. If he hadn't cheated he would have still been better than 99.999% of players. It's too bad but there's no 'oh you were this good so cheating is ok' threshold Should Willie Mays be in the hall?
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