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Ugh, choice paralysis. Anyone have some links to optimized skill builds yet?
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May 17, 2017 01:57
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Skippy McPants posted:Ugh, choice paralysis. Anyone have some links to optimized skill builds yet? This one's my go-to
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May 17, 2017 01:59
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Wouldn't be so bad if I knew I could reconfigure stuff, but the price tag on respec's makes me not want to touch anything until someone with more resources has mapped everything out.
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May 17, 2017 02:03
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Skippy McPants posted:Wouldn't be so bad if I knew I could reconfigure stuff, but the price tag on respec's makes me not want to touch anything until someone with more resources has mapped everything out. and therein lies the crux of the issue
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May 17, 2017 02:05
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Oh wow the Spirit Bear is just trash now. Even with MASC. They completely gutted its acceleration, probably in the same pass that they hit the KDK-3 with. THe 3 doesn't suffer as bad because it still has enough to peek and poke with, but the SB just dies. You need to burst the MASC for about 5 seconds to get up to full speed. Looking at the speed curves a un-quirked Dire Wolf accelerates about a third faster than a mobility-quirked SB.
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May 17, 2017 02:08
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Cyrano4747 posted:Oh wow the Spirit Bear is just trash now. Even with MASC. They completely gutted its acceleration, probably in the same pass that they hit the KDK-3 with. THe 3 doesn't suffer as bad because it still has enough to peek and poke with, but the SB just dies. You need to burst the MASC for about 5 seconds to get up to full speed. Wait, how does that work?
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May 17, 2017 02:10
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Artificer posted:Wait, how does that work? There's a defined accel/decel stat for each mech now. I forget the exact details, but the long and the short of it is you need to look at the acceleration and deceleration curves in the detailed info for the mech. The SB has one of the most anemic curves in the game, worse even than a Dire Wolf.
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May 17, 2017 02:12
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Artificer posted:and therein lies the crux of the issue I had one quick look before work and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DttFomlDRd4&t=0m52s
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May 17, 2017 02:17
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OK, never mind,  strikes again. The y-axis isn't the same on all the graphs. The SB accelerates 1 m/s faster than the DW. Why they would make the graphs have a different scale is totally beyond me. Either way, the SB just got gutted by the acceleration changes. edit: to put things in perspective, an Awesome accelerates at about 15m/s
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May 17, 2017 02:20
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Cyrano4747 posted:There's a defined accel/decel stat for each mech now. I forget the exact details, but the long and the short of it is you need to look at the acceleration and deceleration curves in the detailed info for the mech. The SB has one of the most anemic curves in the game, worse even than a Dire Wolf. Yeah, it definitely looks like their way of nerfing stronger meta chassis. The Night Gyr has like half the baseline accel/decel of other heavies and only turns/yaws 2/3rds as fast. I.E. top speed and engine be damned, this mech has half the mobility of this other mech of the same weight because reasons!  
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May 17, 2017 02:21
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Seriously, though, look at these graphs. I feel like this belongs in the lovely graph forum. Here's the SB. Note the Y axis.  Here's the DW.  Why on earth would you shrink the Y axis by half for one? Jesus christ is even bad at graphs. Either way, the SB does not move light a nimble brawler now. Even MASC isn't enough to save it from that pitiful acceleration.
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May 17, 2017 02:25
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Skoll posted:This entire skill tree bullshit is dumb and I'll just play
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May 17, 2017 02:43
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I've been using the consumable tree to pretty good effect. Just run down one branch. On my urbie I have two artillery strikes, on my top dog I have two coolshots. The cool shots are good enough that I can do my 91 point alpha, coolshot, 91 point alpha again, then coolshot, and 91 point alpha again, then 91 point alpha again and finally overheat. I can hammer out 364 damage as quickly as my weapons cool down  Cyrano4747 posted:Seriously, though, look at these graphs. I feel like this belongs in the lovely graph forum. Yeah, 190% of 6 is still just 20ish acceleration after masc. Slow as gently caress.
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May 17, 2017 02:44
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Freakazoid_ posted:I don't expect firestarters to ever recover again. They committed the ultimate crime: At one point in the game's history, they were very good. Mechs that have been good at one point are never allowed to be relevant ever again even long after the circumstances that made them good have been changed. See: Jenner, Catapult, Cataphract, Victor, Highlander, etc. PGI is so afraid to buff these mechs because they didn't understand what made them good in the first place, so after the game changed and left the mechs behind, they're overcautious about buffing them again, even years later.
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May 17, 2017 03:33
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There's no reason not to just transfer a mech's historic XP into regular XP right?
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May 17, 2017 03:45
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Historic can be used on any instance of a variant, whereas the new XP is mech specific. So, like, even if you own two separate KDK-3s, they both have their own XP and skill points, but you can use your HXP pool for either one. So it only matters if you ever plan to own more than one of a given variant. Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 03:56 on May 17, 2017 |
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May 17, 2017 03:49
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spent 10 min futzing with a warham, got to the skills, 2 min later altf4. good luck people. 
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May 17, 2017 04:10
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On the bright side, its not just us making GBS threads on MWO for once. Even the Reddit hugbox hates it.
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May 17, 2017 04:38
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so did PGI kill their game yet?
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May 17, 2017 05:31
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Skippy McPants posted:Ugh, choice paralysis. Anyone have some links to optimized skill builds yet? for scaredy-cats that don't want to commit, I did find this : https://nbarnes.github.io/mwo_skill_tree_planner/ Still in alpha, but does give an idea about the progression needed for desired skill trees. Good god, they truly done hosed up with the skill trees though.
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May 17, 2017 05:51
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the skill tree is too big but fine tbh, just go down weapons tree to max it out then do some kind of mix of consumable, mobility (light and med without structure/armor quirks) or defense for anyone else.
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May 17, 2017 05:58
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 As the one guy who got no legs day fat man leaning back, it is a good SRM bomber and the quirks + skill tree makes it feel like you're getting free artemis. There's a comedy option 153+ kmh build but with agility decoupling it really just results in you slamming into walls everywhere on the city maps. I mean don't spend money on it but when it's out for cbills it'll be at least decent for light players and whoever's still playing this game. Hi There! is neat with spls but I'm not really sure how I feel about it yet.
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May 17, 2017 06:09
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Is this game worth coming back too? I haven't played since the first 3 months. I manged to get a C Atlas during that time.
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May 17, 2017 08:08
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uhhh who are you with just playing a lovely game with drunk goons?
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May 17, 2017 08:31
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Gonna wait until the one true build stuff gets worked out. I just wanted to shoot robot and can't be bothered 🤡
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May 17, 2017 08:37
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This is my quick observations that may change over time, but: 1. Seismic and Radar Dep are still very good, especially because most people now don't have seismic. The sensor tree isn't absolutely necessary, but it does actually give you a big edge to at least grab one bubble of seismic. 2. You should prioritize the tree that most favors your mech chassis's strongest points- Mechs with quirk armor bonuses like the urbanmech, vindicator, or cataphract should take the survivability tree, mechs with huge mobility (almost anything with MASC) should focus on all the leg stuff in the mobility tree, mechs that are totally dedicated to shooting (like my idiot top dog build) should hit everything in the firepower tree. Doing this gives you more bang for your buck. Your secondary tree should be used to shore up whatever weakness your mech has in those departments (heavies and assaults will almost always need mobility, lights and mediums may need firepower to help them shoot better, etc.) 3. Almost every mech should hit every single cool run bubble in the operations tree. If you shut down frequently get all of the quick power-up nodes. Heat containment isn't that useful in my opinion, but go for it if you want absolutely optimal heat efficiency. 4. Consumables are pretty powerful, and I am still on the edge as to whether it is worth cutting out some firepower bubbles for the sake of getting 2x coolshots or 2x artillery/air strikes with full nodes. I don't know if the jump jet tree is placebo or if it actually does anything. No goddamn idea at all. Overall, I think that operations and agility are the two trees that I'm using for everything. I will then mostly prioritize firepower over survivability, unless the mech has huge armor quirks already, because those fuckers stack are added into your armor before % armor boost from the skill tree is applied. Commoners fucked around with this message at 09:08 on May 17, 2017 |
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May 17, 2017 09:06
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Hmm hunch bunch should be pretty fun now. Did the griffin 2n escape unscathed? At work cant play this train wreck
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May 17, 2017 09:10
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Commoners posted:This is my quick observations that may change over time, but: Did you put many points into survivability on the TOP DOG? I noticed it has lots of internal structure bonuses to begin with but I'm not sure if it's worth it to spends points.
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May 17, 2017 09:37
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I don't think I put in any. I don't think structure is worth it, because it melts when it gets hit by crits. Having more structure is definitely better than having less, but I personally think that only armor quirks are worth buffing with the survivability tree.
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May 17, 2017 10:06
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Commoners posted:I don't know if the jump jet tree is placebo or if it actually does anything. No goddamn idea at all. Heat shielding is largely worthless but all the rest of them work pretty well. Vectoring makes the biggest difference when you're jumping from stationary or against a wall, and it makes it much easier to get on ledges without a running start or exposing yourself since it keeps pushing you forward. Lift speed isn't worth anything if you only have one or two JJs but if you're in something like a PHX, Javelin, Spider, or Arctic Cheetah then you can just hurtle yourself over buildings and cross the map really easily. If you're JJ heavy it feels worth it to spend the 16 skill points for everything except shielding since it improves your escapeability so much.
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May 17, 2017 10:23
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Commoners posted:I don't think I put in any. I don't think structure is worth it, because it melts when it gets hit by crits. Having more structure is definitely better than having less, but I personally think that only armor quirks are worth buffing with the survivability tree. Yeah, the number of points you have to invest vs. the added HP it provides doesn't seem like a great value on all but a handful of edge cases. And the Ops tree might be too good. Cool Run and Heat Containment have some of my hotter laser boats are running cooler than they did pre-patch which maybe seems like it's not what they intended? Edit: ~20/10/1 in Op/Sensors/Aux feels mandatory for the heat management, radar dep, and consumable slot. Although I guess you could get away with not running rador dep in some setting, but I wouldn't want to be without it in QM. Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 10:30 on May 17, 2017 |
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May 17, 2017 10:24
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Skippy McPants posted:Yeah, the number of points you have to invest vs. the added HP it provides doesn't seem like a great value on all but a handful of edge cases. They were net nerfed from what they used to have when a mech was elited out. Basic skills got doubled in the old system when you had full elite stuff, so heat containment and cool run gave 15% and 10% respectively (I think, I'm probably slightly off.) If you didn't have mechs elited out then you'll see a pretty big difference. e: Just tried it out, the quickdraw IV4 is pretty monstrous. They gave quickdraws really good agility stats, so you undersize the engine and throw the two AC10s onto its arms and it is a baby atlas. You still have a 32% cooldown on its AC10s, and it ends up with 76ST and 112CT front armor. You have the option between running a STD200 and going abysmally slow, or you can run an XL250 and go pretty drat fast. It used to be ammo starved, but with the ammo quirk it is pretty drat well off. I wish I had some nonhero mechs that make for oddball builds, but there aren't too many that I see that don't have some weird outstanding potential. Commoners fucked around with this message at 10:42 on May 17, 2017 |
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May 17, 2017 10:30
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Commoners posted:They were net nerfed from what they used to have when a mech was elited out. Basic skills got doubled in the old system when you had full elite stuff, so heat containment and cool run gave 15% and 10% respectively (I think, I'm probably slightly off.) If you didn't have mechs elited out then you'll see a pretty big difference. They are lower, 10/15 now vs 15/20 before, but we also have the new Heat Gen nodes in the Firepower which you'll get up to 5-10% depending on how much you invest. All of it stacked together has me running noticeably cooler than before. Pre-patch my laser TBR spiked to 64% on an alpha vs. 54% post patch. Edit: Also, wtf is up with the skill tabs and skill trees having different labels? The tabs are called: Firepower, Survival, Mobility, Jump Jets, Operations, Sensors, and Auxillary. But the actual trees are: Weapons, Armor Structure, Agility, Jump Capabilities, Mech Operations, Sensor Systems, and Miscellaneous. Did someone just forget to make sure the labeling matched up between different builds? Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 10:48 on May 17, 2017 |
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May 17, 2017 10:42
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How's the Catapult in mobility? Under the new system I'm thinking I might be able to build a pretty mean Splatapult. Also, do +Velocity quirks affect missiles, or are they ballistics only?
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May 17, 2017 12:03
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Some mechs are crazy mobile now. Summoner has like 55 kph accel. Moves like a fast medium.
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May 17, 2017 12:13
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This is mostly where I'm at. I'm a little less convinced of the utility of the armor quirks, mostly because they are so small. Even if you have a hefty bonus it's not the biggest bump. I think it maxes at 10%? Your +25 armor bonus on the CT of something like the lovely Atlas only yields an extra +2. I dunno, maybe, on mechs with truly nutso armor bonuses but I'm still on the edge about this one. Skippy McPants posted:They are lower, 10/15 now vs 15/20 before, but we also have the new Heat Gen nodes in the Firepower which you'll get up to 5-10% depending on how much you invest. All of it stacked together has me running noticeably cooler than before. Pre-patch my laser TBR spiked to 64% on an alpha vs. 54% post patch. Yeah, he's right. If you stack the heat bonuses in the firepower tree and cool run / heat containment you become a monster. I'm pulling heat sinks off all my old energy boat builds.
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May 17, 2017 13:06
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Man I guess I will patch up if only to see my refund ledger. Reading up on the thread it still seems like hunch bunch could be fun. Has anyone played around with cents?
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May 17, 2017 16:02
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Thaumaturge here, going to let the dust settle and let the pros figure out the optimal builds before I get my hands dirty. Last night I was drunk and transferred all my HSP on my old mechs to SP. Was that a mistake or what you should do? This patch confuses the hell out of me with the different currencies.
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May 17, 2017 16:19
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Skippy McPants posted:Yeah, the number of points you have to invest vs. the added HP it provides doesn't seem like a great value on all but a handful of edge cases. Oh man is the 6 lpl mauler deathstar at all viable
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May 17, 2017 16:30
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Surprise Giraffe posted:Oh man is the 6 lpl mauler deathstar at all viable A 6LPL BLR-1G totally works.
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May 17, 2017 16:34
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