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Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

Brigadier Sockface posted:

French cabinet announced: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39948523

Conservative Bruno Le Maire as economy minister... fluent in German...

it's a poo poo gov but plenty of people are fluent in German in France, it's not a bad thing to be fluent in when your main economic partner is on your doorstep

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Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
German is better than English

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Brigadier Sockface posted:

French cabinet announced: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39948523

Conservative Bruno Le Maire as economy minister... fluent in German...

Macron has made it clear that he's going to bring France closer to Germany and strengthen the EU. His first stop after becoming President was Germany.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/13/macron-germany-eurozone-french-president
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-france-leaders-idUSKCN18B13A

Corek
May 11, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Vox Nihili posted:

Macron has made it clear that he's going to bring France closer to Germany and strengthen the EU. His first stop after becoming President was Germany.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/13/macron-germany-eurozone-french-president
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-france-leaders-idUSKCN18B13A

is there a crying petain emoji

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
im not defending macron but what country should he visit first as president, spain?

You guys don't know about the couple franco-allemand

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
wrong thread

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Kurtofan posted:

im not defending macron but what country should he visit first as president, spain?

You guys don't know about the couple franco-allemand

I don't know why you're so defensive on this--his policy preference is openly for closer relations with Germany. It's not some sort of secret.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
i'm not being defensive, relationship with germany being close has been a policy since the post-war years

Pinch Me Im Meming
Jun 26, 2005
Well he could have visited a more relevant country like the United KingHahahaha oH jesus let's take back the channel islands.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

Pinch Me Im Meming posted:

Well he could have visited a more relevant country like the United KingHahahaha oH jesus let's take back the channel islands.

could be a brexit deal

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer
*in extremely sceptical southern + northern European voice*

Valéry Giscard d'Estaing was a mistake.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Kurtofan posted:

German is better than English

better for losing wars in lol

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/18/secret-plans-protect-le-pen-french-republic-emerge

'we have to be ready in case le pen wins the election. how will we be able to violently repress leftist protesters if we don't have a plan?'

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

hakimashou posted:

If affluent people were more likely to vote for Macron and poor people more likely to vote for Le Pen, doesn't that mean affluent people tend to be better than poor people?

Generally speaking, poor people are less educated (for obvious reasons) while wealthy people are usually more educated but do not have the well being of the non-wealthy in mind (or at least don't consider others' well being a high priority). So it's basically a choice between ignorance (which can go in different directions depending upon the specific politician and their message) and malice (or at least callousness).

Liberals who praise Macron just because he was the opponent of Le Pen are almost as cringeworthy as leftists who wanted Le Pen to win. It's like if you had an election between Donald Trump and John McCain; obviously you would want McCain to win, but it would be patently absurd to say "yay McCain, McCain is awesome!!" if he won. Like, the two candidates certainly aren't equally bad, but they're definitely still bad. This kinda ties into a common trend I've noticed where liberals tend to define the virtue of politicians not by what they support, but by how aggressively they oppose Republicans (or in this case fascists). I.e. Macron is good not because of his own policies or ideology, but merely because he is the opponent to Le Pen.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Ytlaya posted:

It's like if you had an election between Donald Trump and John McCain
That's one comparison, sure.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

Ytlaya posted:

Generally speaking, poor people are less educated (for obvious reasons) while wealthy people are usually more educated but do not have the well being of the non-wealthy in mind (or at least don't consider others' well being a high priority). So it's basically a choice between ignorance (which can go in different directions depending upon the specific politician and their message) and malice (or at least callousness).

Liberals who praise Macron just because he was the opponent of Le Pen are almost as cringeworthy as leftists who wanted Le Pen to win. It's like if you had an election between Donald Trump and John McCain; obviously you would want McCain to win, but it would be patently absurd to say "yay McCain, McCain is awesome!!" if he won. Like, the two candidates certainly aren't equally bad, but they're definitely still bad. This kinda ties into a common trend I've noticed where liberals tend to define the virtue of politicians not by what they support, but by how aggressively they oppose Republicans (or in this case fascists). I.e. Macron is good not because of his own policies or ideology, but merely because he is the opponent to Le Pen.

ah the darn liberals saying dastardly wrong things again

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

R. Mute posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/18/secret-plans-protect-le-pen-french-republic-emerge

'we have to be ready in case le pen wins the election. how will we be able to violently repress leftist protesters if we don't have a plan?'

Jesus Christ, gently caress France

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We
france is good actually

Agnosticnixie
Jan 6, 2015
Yes, I'm absolutely going to believe groups that have a history of spying on the left were totally going to stop violent right wing protests rather than the most likely event in a Le Pen victorious scenario, which is justified antifascist riots.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We
hey guys i just got an anonymous confession from macron that he was gonna personally go out with his buddies to smash socialist skulls if le pen won, whatddayaknow

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We
i mean it's not like france has a history of crazies hurling petrol bombs at police for not great reasons lol http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0YA10T

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

i mean it's not like france has a history of crazies hurling petrol bombs at police for not great reasons lol http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0YA10T
Labour reforms enforced by wartime emergency legislation are in fact, Bad.

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


so what's melenchon gonna be doing post-election? is the left movement behind him going to grow?

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

jBrereton posted:

Labour reforms enforced by wartime emergency legislation are in fact, Bad.

lol the french constitution and particularly article 49.3 is not wartime emergency legislation

but yeah sure hollande should have not acted and let the union rip a big one in the french economy for another decade so that france could get its own thatcher elected lmao

oliwan
Jul 20, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo
macroni and cheese lol

Comrade Cheggorsky
Aug 20, 2011


strike on lads, strike on

Pinch Me Im Meming
Jun 26, 2005
lol just lol caring about the police in a french thread.

Fiction
Apr 28, 2011

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

so that france could get its own thatcher elected lmao

I have bad news for you. You should probably sit down.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We
lol yeah I'm about to get told just how much more right wing france is compared to the uk

poty
Jun 21, 2008

虹はどこで終わるのですか? あなたの魂の中で、または地平線で?

Kurtofan posted:

im not defending macron but what country should he visit first as president, spain?

You guys don't know about the couple franco-allemand

I know who Franco was, was Allemand the maiden name of his wife?

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011



nice.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

I'm sure his children will vote for a leftist when they grow up

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

I'm sure his children will vote for a leftist when they grow up


what about their children?

Pinch Me Im Meming
Jun 26, 2005

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

I'm sure his children will vote for a leftist when they grow up

The crucial "children of cops" demographics.

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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Aren't like 60% of reek police golden dawn voters? burn em good and tasty imho. I'm peckish

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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oh i thought that was from greece. eh, kill all cops

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

I'm sure his children will vote for a leftist when they grow up

depends on how much they like their parents

The Puppet Master
Apr 9, 2005

Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me. I'd fuck me hard.



Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

I'm sure his children will vote for a leftist when they grow up

just lol if you grow up to be like your cop dad

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

melenchon 2022: kill your cop parents

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Agnosticnixie
Jan 6, 2015

lollontee posted:

Aren't like 60% of reek police golden dawn voters? burn em good and tasty imho. I'm peckish

It's less than 60 in France but still pretty drat high, FN's biggest demographics are cops and career military.

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