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Hoops posted:Metal, anime, student politics, monty python and blackadder, Jeremy Corbyn, computer games, Robot wars, Doctor Who, Star Wars expanded universe You rang?
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Hoops posted:Levy on firms hiring foreign workers that goes to pay for skills training for UK nationals So you have: - Scummy companies bringing foreign nationals over and paying them peanuts, in this case they should do a lot more than just levy honestly, but ok, sure. - Companies like coffee shops that pay minimum wage lol prepare for a massive national barista training program? I don't even know. Maybe it will work with factories but good luck keeping those after hard brexit. - Companies that need highly skilled, highly experienced foreign workers to survive because jesus gently caress the supply is extremely low and they can barely even cope while hiring an enormous amount of foreign workers already, and you want to make it worse? I mean you may hate tech companies, but there's also the NHS. You can't just throw money at this problem and "skill train" some replacements, it's not how it works Don't see this fixing anything, and even in the most optimistic of cases, they're going to pocket the money anyway, so...
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I'm shocked no one is talking about BoJo ramming his foot into his mouth repeatedly over that Sikh temple gaffe.
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May 17, 2017 23:00
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I've been moderately interested to see Theresa May proposing a raft of worker's rights, new types of leave etc. and other policies supposedly appealing to the working class. I wonder what the calculation was at Conservative HQ and whether they would have felt the need to do this if Labour had presented a more centrist manifesto under Cooper or whoever. Alternatively, of course, it could be a consequence of feeling bold enough to target areas they wouldn't otherwise be targeting if Labour were polling better.Firos posted:I'm shocked no one is talking about BoJo ramming his foot into his mouth repeatedly over that Sikh temple gaffe. That was pretty painful to watch. He seemed completely unaware of the Sikh position on alcohol, then kept digging each time he didn't give a proper apology and completely missed the fact that she was making a wider point about religious offence: "I understand your family circumstances" and "I understand your point of view". Party Boat posted:For those who are interested, the Secret Barrister has done an informative post on the Oxford medical student and similarities with the Bashir assault case earlier this year: https://thesecretbarrister.com/2017...oing-to-prison/ Thanks for posting this Party Boat, mega interesting. Also good to follow the link on to the Bashir case sentencing remarks as well.
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May 17, 2017 23:10
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Charging firms to bring in migrant workers and re-investing the money in skills is not that bad a policy really. Shame it's coupled with charging them to use the NHS rather than relaxing draconian immigration rules elsewhere. And that it applies to non-EU workers only rather than treating everyone equally. Means-testing the winter fuel allowance is another relatively OK policy that has the benefit of playing terribly with the right-wing press. Taking children's lunches away pretty terrible, maybe she's just trying to channel Thatcher more completely? Prince John posted:I've been moderately interested to see Theresa May proposing a raft of worker's rights, new types of leave etc. and other policies supposedly appealing to the working class. I wonder what the calculation was at Conservative HQ and whether they would have felt the need to do this if Labour had presented a more centrist manifesto under Cooper or whoever. Alternatively, of course, it could be a consequence of feeling bold enough to target areas they wouldn't otherwise be targeting if Labour were polling better. I've never felt that argument makes much sense. Labour are doing badly, so the Tories feel like they can make a pitch to tempt away Labour voters? What would they be doing if Labour were doing well, not trying to go after their voters?
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The Tories are aiming to take seats they wouldn't have dreamt were possible just two years ago. They're trying to lay down new voting behaviours in the electorate in traditional labour heartlands that will last for years.
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jabby posted:I've never felt that argument makes much sense. Labour are doing badly, so the Tories feel like they can make a pitch to tempt away Labour voters? What would they be doing if Labour were doing well, not trying to go after their voters? Going after swing voters, aka the middle class, which is traditionally more in line with Conservative policies anyway.
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Looke posted:i just got freakin owned and apologise to Pissflaps This along with her generous offer allowing people "time off" to look after elderly relatives really lays this all out. If you're poor, you're going to be poor and have no free time  Expect the elderly to be left in cold houses to die off "accidentally". MikeCrotch posted:slugthrowers are only in the Star Wars EU and therefore haraam Tuskens mate! Tuskens! Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 23:27 on May 17, 2017 |
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Firos posted:I'm shocked no one is talking about BoJo ramming his foot into his mouth repeatedly over that Sikh temple gaffe. As much as I want to attack him for it, I'd be a massive hypocrite because I had no idea that Sikhs didn't drink. Mind you, I'm not hanging out in Sikh Temples for political purposes.
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Prince John posted:Going after swing voters, aka the middle class, which is traditionally more in line with Conservative policies anyway. Traditional voting behaviour is out anyway. It's no longer divided based on class lines, it's divided based on age and to a lesser extent education. In any case you can hardly complain about the country moving further and further to the right and then whinge if Tory policy starts to drift left.
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Party Boat posted:For those who are interested, the Secret Barrister has done an informative post on the Oxford medical student and similarities with the Bashir assault case earlier this year: https://thesecretbarrister.com/2017...oing-to-prison/ Is being a middle class white woman attending Oxford the easy mode of life? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Is being a middle class white woman attending Oxford the easy mode of life? what do you think the three most important attributes in that sentence are
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Angepain posted:what do you think the three most important attributes in that sentence are middle class Oxford woman
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forkboy84 posted:As much as I want to attack him for it, I'd be a massive hypocrite because I had no idea that Sikhs didn't drink. Okay there's one guy who doesn't drink but he smokes a lot of weed and I'm not sure what the Gurus' position on that is, I've been told they were pro-pot but I'm p. sure that's in relation to spiritual use and not pub car park use.
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May 17, 2017 23:36
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MikeCrotch posted:slugthrowers are only in the Star Wars EU and therefore haraam Wrong, Aurra Sing, Tusken raiders, and Czerka Corp are all confirmed canon.
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It's gonna be loving funny watching the right wing press try and spin middle/upper class pensioners losing their benefits and not being able to pass on their homes as a good thing. Funnily enough Labour promised to means-test the winter fuel allowance in 2015, another Miliband policy stolen.
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May 17, 2017 23:44
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:middle class So, just to clarify here, you believe a person gets enough advantages from society by being a woman to outweigh those that person would get from being white? Is misandry more damaging to a person than racism?
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Means testing for anything is a stupid policy given that we already have mechanisms for taxing income and wealth and could easily make universal benefits like school meals revenue neutral without any of the extra overhead.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Is being a middle class white woman attending Oxford the easy mode of life? I take it back - non-voters are in a dead heat with this guy for worst in the thread.
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forkboy84 posted:As much as I want to attack him for it, I'd be a massive hypocrite because I had no idea that Sikhs didn't drink. Mind you, I'm not hanging out in Sikh Temples for political purposes. All of my Sikh mates get trollied to gently caress, daily.
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jabby posted:It's gonna be loving funny watching the right wing press try and spin middle/upper class pensioners losing their benefits and not being able to pass on their homes as a good thing. Houses over 100K is 87% of houses in the UK. It's an attack on most people who can't afford to pay to opt out of having their home sold from under them to balance the national budget.
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Prince John posted:I've been moderately interested to see Theresa May proposing a raft of worker's rights, new types of leave etc. and other policies supposedly appealing to the working class.
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Angepain posted:So, just to clarify here, you believe a person gets enough advantages from society by being a woman to outweigh those that person would get from being white? You're talking to someone who posts 4chan poo poo unironically
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Means testing for anything is a stupid policy given that we already have mechanisms for taxing income and wealth and could easily make universal benefits like school meals revenue neutral without any of the extra overhead. No but you see, means testing is important because I heard that those lazy bastards on benefits buy Aston Martin cars and Louis Vuitton purses! People should only get benefits as long as they're in a perpetual state of starving to death, and have no TVs, no refrigerators, no clothes, no entertainment
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forkboy84 posted:As much as I want to attack him for it, I'd be a massive hypocrite because I had no idea that Sikhs didn't drink. Mind you, I'm not hanging out in Sikh Temples for political purposes. Generally the rule of thumb I use is that if you wear something on your head for religious reasons you're probably not supposed to drink. This goes for religions which don't have a technical proscription against drinking too.
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Angepain posted:So, just to clarify here, you believe a person gets enough advantages from society by being a woman to outweigh those that person would get from being white? Well this is potentially the worst post I'll make in a while (not to defend whatever probably awful point they were making): The reason that violence by women is treated as inconsequential (often as inconsequential as violence against women) is that it ascribes agency to the woman.
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/864982110058270720 UKIP fightback
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Hoops posted:Metal, anime, student politics, monty python and blackadder, Jeremy Corbyn, computer games, Robot wars, Doctor Who, Star Wars expanded universe we didn't start the fire...
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OwlFancier posted:Generally the rule of thumb I use is that if you wear something on your head for religious reasons you're probably not supposed to drink. Jews are allowed to drink though, and there are some non-hatted Christians who don't.
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I think you'll find that the Lib Dems are the real opposition. 
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OwlFancier posted:Generally the rule of thumb I use is that if you wear something on your head for religious reasons you're probably not supposed to drink.  Aptly enough the Sikh guy I know who doesn't drink is the only one who is fully beard and turban. Ton of  tho.Blue Star Error posted:we didn't start the fire...
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Having known firm drinkers and non-drinkers I'm pretty confident in saying that everyone who does drink shouldn't and everyone who doesn't drink should.
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Meanwhile in Northern Ireland.quote:A DUP election candidate's false claim in promotional literature that he visited soldiers in Afghanistan has been blamed on a printing error. Darn those printers!!   But wait, there's more! quote:Mr Simpson was due to be accompanied on the 2010 Afghanistan trip to visit soldiers of the Royal Irish Regiment and Irish Guards by the former Ulster Unionist peer Lord Maginnis but he was also unable to fit into an armoured jacket.
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number one pta fan posted:Houses over 100K is 87% of houses in the UK. It's an attack on most people who can't afford to pay to opt out of having their home sold from under them to balance the national budget. The houses won't be sold while the owner or their partner are still living, and any kids will still inherit an estate worth at least 100k to help them get a new place for themselves. Admittedly a lot of people with money will just find a way around it, but there's nothing bad about preventing people inheriting houses.
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jabby posted:The houses won't be sold while the owner or their partner are still living, and any kids will still inherit an estate worth at least 100k to help them get a new place for themselves. Admittedly a lot of people with money will just find a way around it, but there's nothing bad about preventing people inheriting houses. You will end up with people gaming the system by signing over their houses before they die so it doesn't get gobbled up by the goverment
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:You will end up with people gaming the system by signing over their houses before they die so it doesn't get gobbled up by the goverment People already do, since they need to sell their home if they go into residential care. At worst this will end up costing the government more as they have to foot a bigger social care bill, but it will have the advantage of removing the disincentive on older people to go into residential care because 'i'll lose my house'.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:You will end up with people gaming the system by signing over their houses before they die so it doesn't get gobbled up by the goverment What is "inheritance taper relief", Bob?
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Not that I'm complaining, but UKIP have done literally nothing noteworthy recently. If they have any sense they'll immediately campaign hard against the changes to winter fuel payments/the 'death tax'. Try and win back some of the angry pensioner vote.
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jabby posted:Not that I'm complaining, but UKIP have done literally nothing noteworthy recently. Far age has been saying things lately Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:middle class Don't post here
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