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Martytoof posted:Makes sense, thanks. But then the bouts with no envelopes just didn't get any interest from sponsors? AFAIK, that is correct.
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Also they can only sponsor the match itself, not any particular outcome. So, often when there's be a popular young guy going up against a yokozuna for the first time there'll be a poo poo-ton of sponsor money, almost all of it meant as an incentive for the up-and-comer. But when the yokozuna hands him his rear end anyway, he gets to keep all the money as well.
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Thanks guys. The stuff surrounding sumo is super interesting too, it turns out 
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Partial Day 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDY8_T70jrc Endo beating Kisenosato was surprising - winning by tsuppari doubly so.
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Interesting result in the Tochinoshin-Ura match. Can anyone clarify why the outcome was decided like that? Tochinoshin's hand clearly touched outside first, but they gave the match to him regardless because Ura's body was 'dead'
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You can put a hand down to protect yourself from injury and the move was such an obvious one sided attack.
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Yeah, it's one of those grey areas where they try to decide on a case by case basis, but in this match Ura was flipping through the air with no control of his movements as a result of Tochinoshin's move, so it was ok for T to put his hand out. If Ura had been falling in a way where he had enough control to pull his arms back, or some other thing to try and arrest his fall, and Tochinoshin still put his hand out first they'd probably have given it to Ura or called a redo.
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Apraxin posted:Also they can only sponsor the match itself, not any particular outcome. So, often when there's be a popular young guy going up against a yokozuna for the first time there'll be a poo poo-ton of sponsor money, almost all of it meant as an incentive for the up-and-comer. But when the yokozuna hands him his rear end anyway, he gets to keep all the money as well. The technical name for that is kensho, and that's all correct. Half the kensho goes to the Sumo association and the other half goes to the winner of the bout. There's always an uber-detailed thread on kensho for each basho on our favorite sumo site. Baron Fuzzlewhack posted:I think this might have been him. I remember him bouncing back and forth between the top tier and just below that. Thanks! Yup, Asahisho, not to be confused with Asashio - a name that has been held by yokozuna and ozeki in the past. Pretty sure that Kisenosato thought that Endo had put his knee down, and that split second of hesitation was all it took to leave himself wide open. That's the kind of mistake you'd never see Hakuho make.
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Uncle Jam posted:You can put a hand down to protect yourself from injury and the move was such an obvious one sided attack. I think it's more to protect the other guy. Like here, T could have landed on Ura's face and crushed him if he didn't put his hand down. But if somehow his move had caused him to go away from Ura and he still put his hand down, then it could be argued that his attack was bad as he was also out of control, but that gets into the whole realm of ref decision that is controversial in any sport. Another example would be if you dominate so much you can pick the other guy up and carry him, you can just walk out and gently put him down rather than slamming him on his back or even dropping him outside.
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Takayasu delivered an awesome win  Fryhtaning posted:The technical name for that is kensho, and that's all correct. Half the kensho goes to the Sumo association and the other half goes to the winner of the bout. There's always an uber-detailed thread on kensho for each basho on our favorite sumo site. This is great info, thanks! some kinda jackal fucked around with this message at 03:09 on May 18, 2017 |
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Kisenosato definitely hesitated when Endo slipped, that's not the sort of mistake he should be making
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Tsaedje posted:Kisenosato definitely hesitated when Endo slipped, that's not the sort of mistake he should be making Jason made the comment that he looked like he thought Endo hit the mat with his hands, which on replay was completely reasonable, but yeah. "Don't stop until you hear a whistle" is pretty much the first thing every coach has ever taught an athlete. Kisenosato seems like something is distracting him this basho and it's not a good look.
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What are the chances that his arm is still jacked? He seemed to be able to use it well enough but that may not be an indicator of pain or discomfort.
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Martytoof posted:What are the chances that his arm is still jacked? He seemed to be able to use it well enough but that may not be an indicator of pain or discomfort. seems like chances are pretty good. And aside from the injury from last basho, on day 1 of this tournament someone fell on his arm when he fell out of the ring...hakuho I think?
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Hakuho is starting to remind me of NOAH-era Misawa as the slightly over the hill legend who wants to keep proving he's still on top. That forearm/elbow smash he keeps using isn't exactly hurting the comparison either.
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Platypus Farm posted:seems like chances are pretty good. And aside from the injury from last basho, on day 1 of this tournament someone fell on his arm when he fell out of the ring...hakuho I think? 100% that his arm/pec are nowhere near healed. Also, it was his foot that someone fell on, but that didn't seem to affect him too much. He had pretty amazing footwork to survive all those trip attempts in that last match, so I think it's all about not being able to push and pull like he normally can. I think Hakuho is going to wrestle until his body falls apart at this rate. I think his foot is the most nagging injury he has, but until he starts doing worse than say, Kakuryu, I don't think he's going to quit.
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You can see kisenosatos pec is still collapsed during the HD dohyou iri when he doesn't have the tape holding it together. I don't think he's had the muscle reattached or repaired yet. You could see in the chiyoshoma fight the arm is just laying on chiyoshomas back without doing anything, where normally that's be an instant grab and throw. Uncle Jam fucked around with this message at 21:48 on May 18, 2017 |
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I'm sure there's some macho poo poo or fresh promotion reasons for him not pulling out, but watching Kisenosato wrestle without a left arm just isn't entertaining. Every one of his matches is just kind of painful in one way or another. Dude needs to pull out, get well, and come back ready to compete.
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stabbington posted:I'm sure there's some macho poo poo or fresh promotion reasons for him not pulling out, but watching Kisenosato wrestle without a left arm just isn't entertaining. Every one of his matches is just kind of painful in one way or another. Dude needs to pull out, get well, and come back ready to compete. It isn't just him, either. There are some stunningly bad performances going on this basho in the upper ranks.
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Dang, was hoping Takayasu could keep steamrolling. That bummer aside, Terenofuji's bout was really fun. There's a very distinct thing that the gyoji yells during most/all bouts, repeatedly. Anyone know what that is or what it means? Googling is being surprisingly useless today.
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Its nokotta or 残った which means 'remains' or 'both guys are still in the ring' and basically as long as he is yelling both wrestlers know they haven't stepped out yet. It is kind of like a inverse whistle. I think its done this way instead of a sound when someone steps out because it covers up the grunting noises a bit (no containing Tochinoshin though) The stuff at the beginning of the bout can be: matta nash(i) : no more waiting (i becomes a bit silent) te-o tuite: please put the hands down te: hands!
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Day 7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf41FGniv9k lol @ the flippiotoshi, haven't seen anything quite like that before. Kisenosato is the man for fighting well through his injury, but I wish that he and other wrestlers didn't have to. I get that it's tradition, but it feels wrong that these guys don't have a chance to heal up without plummeting down the rankings. Imagine how much better Terunofuji would be at this point if he healed up properly and didn't fight hurt through all those bashos. Queering Wheel fucked around with this message at 14:00 on May 20, 2017 |
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Queering Wheel posted:Day 7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf41FGniv9k I'm sure it also severely limits their career length, at least as much as carrying all that extra weight. These guys are incredible athletes and I hate seeing them fight hurt.
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Day 8: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdEJAyeWlNA
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Uncle Jam posted:Its nokotta or 残った which means 'remains' or 'both guys are still in the ring' and basically as long as he is yelling both wrestlers know they haven't stepped out yet. It is kind of like a inverse whistle. I think its done this way instead of a sound when someone steps out because it covers up the grunting noises a bit (no containing Tochinoshin though) Also: hakke-yoi, which is roughly "show some spirit". Kimura Yodo, the gyoji on the screen capture for the day 8 video (and objectively the best gyoji) notably uses this during the tachiai.
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Endo beats ozekis and yokos and loses to everyone else in a exact reversal of his typical outing. Bizarre.
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Endo has a really weak schedule left so there is a good chance he'll get his 8+ wins. But, there might not be enough room to promote him into sanyaku which would be funny.
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Uncle Jam posted:Endo has a really weak schedule left so there is a good chance he'll get his 8+ wins. But, there might not be enough room to promote him into sanyaku which would be funny. If Giku gets demoted and Takayasu gets to 10 wins, things might work out for him.
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Takayasu vs Hakuho tomorrow should be a must-see. Oof, I hope Harumafuji's leg is ok - looks like he was walking on it pretty gingerly after his match.
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That was a really dramatic and dynamic day. So far, getting back into sumo now, my favorites are definitely Ishiura, Ura, and Takayasu. Their matches have been really entertaining this basho.
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That was an awesome watch. So many rikishi flying. Bummed that Takayasu lost that but it was an exciting match so I can't be too upset.
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Yeah, Takayasu has nothing to be ashamed about there. Hakuho was in full-on "test the guy who wants a big promotion" mode and held his own quite respectably.
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Kise is out. Considering he barely held his own against the lower ranks, he was probably going to get rocked by the O/Ys and 6-9 or 7-8 would have been likely so it was probably a smart decision if a little late. Sucks that we didn't get to see how a healthy Kise run could have kept going, but hopefully he's healed for next time and these fights don't set him back. Takayasu's been good so far and 2-3 for Ozeki should be doable for him. He's got harumafuji and terunofuji which should be tough but even if he loses both of those, he should be able to take 2/3 against anyone else in the field.
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That withdrawal just might have saved Goeido's rear end, since it means one more lower-ranked
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