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bewbies posted:I've wondered this since I was like 7 and a big kid hit me with a pitch but I've never actually asked it: why don't baseballers wear hockey style pads on their lead arm and hand? It costs between 2-10 thousand dollars each and they tend to only last for one game (though sometimes they break down during the game).
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I googled the arm pad thing and came across this gem http://www.editorandpublisher.com/news/barry-bonds-hr-record-tainted-by-elbow-armor/ "This is unfortunate, because by my estimate, Bonds? front arm ?armor? may have contributed no fewer than 75 to 100 home runs to his already steroid-questionable total. Bonds tied Henry Aaron?s home run record of 755 on Saturday night and will go for the new standard this week back at home in San Francisco. " "2) The apparatus locks at the elbow when the lead arm is fully elongated because of a small flap at the top of the bottom section that fits into a groove in the bottom of the top section. The locked arm forms a rigid front arm fulcrum that allows extraordinary, maximally efficient explosion of the levers of Bonds’ wrists. Bonds hands are quicker than those of average hitters because of his mechanical “assistant.”" "4) Bonds has performed less well in Home Run Derbies than one might expect because he has no excuse to wear a “protector” facing a batting practice pitcher. As he tires, his front arm elbow tends to lift and he swings under the ball, producing towering pop flies or topspin liners that stay in the park. When the apparatus is worn, its weight keeps his elbow down and he drives the ball with backspin." welp question answered
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UZR IS BULLSHIT posted:Can we stop giving Curt Schilling attention in this thread And also everywhere that is not this thread too.
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May 18, 2017 14:48
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Pancakes posted:Jason Motte is a very nice man who used to throw FASTBALLS but then had TJS so now he's just a nice guy with less facial hair for whom I want good things. In short, gently caress Kevin Pillar both for yelling homophobic slurs and for yelling them at a Cool Dude. Motte was also a really good cheerleader for the Cubs.
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bewbies posted:I googled the arm pad thing and came across this gem This whole controversy spawned a great av/fantasy team logo: 
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May 18, 2017 15:24
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YeahTubaMike posted:I don't know how old your son is but if Jorge Posada (my favorite player growing up) said some hosed up poo poo and I found out that my mom knew but didn't tell me and let me go on thinking the world of him, I'd feel a little betrayed. Yeah, that's part of the dilemma Pillar before now has generally been seen as a pretty good guy too, he does lots for kids charities in Toronto.  bewbies posted:I've wondered this since I was like 7 and a big kid hit me with a pitch but I've never actually asked it: why don't baseballers wear hockey style pads on their lead arm and hand? Several do now
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May 18, 2017 15:26
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Joey Freshwater posted:I don't know anything about Motte so I googled to see if he was actually gay or not and he's apparently married to a nice lady that helps him with cancer charities for kids. To my knowledge there are no active openly gay players at the Major League level. I was going to talk about David Denson being the only active openly gay player in an organization, but he retired during spring training.  quote:In a surprise to no one, I did find some other boards talking about this and a lot of people brushing it off as locker room talk and not seeing what the big deal was. "Those guys teammates probably call each other fags all the time, it doesn't mean anything. You probably only cross the line if you use the n-word" This is sad and hosed up. edit: Kalenn Istarion posted:Yeah, that's part of the dilemma Where is the dilemma? Tell him. Make it a teachable moment or something.
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May 18, 2017 15:26
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May 18, 2017 15:27
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Suspend and trade Kevin Pillar.
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May 18, 2017 15:29
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will_colorado posted:you and your lovely weather, Minneapolis. Yeah this is not a very cool week.
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May 18, 2017 15:32
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So what's the contract situation for Kang and the Buccos? Because I imagine they'd prefer to not have to pay him if he's going to jail....
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El Gallinero Gros posted:So what's the contract situation for Kang and the Buccos? Because I imagine they'd prefer to not have to pay him if he's going to jail.... I saw that the sentence is suspended for like, 6 years or something. I would imagine his being unable to re-enter the US must be covered by a clause in the contract though, right?
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May 18, 2017 15:41
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I feel like the Astros may lose the Cleveland series. It just feels like we eventually have to lose one after so many in a row.
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May 18, 2017 15:43
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That was my first impression of what Pillar said on the replay last night but nobody made a thing of it at the time so I figured it was "what the gently caress" or something.
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May 18, 2017 15:46
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ComposerGuy posted:I feel like the Astros may lose the Cleveland series. It just feels like we eventually have to lose one after so many in a row. I hope so!
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ComposerGuy posted:I feel like the Astros may lose the Cleveland series. It just feels like we eventually have to lose one after so many in a row. We've already lost one series to them (one of the two series losses we have this season, the other being to the Royals) No game today, looking forward to hopefully a strong weekend series Astros status: still flying high like Gurriel's hair
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May 18, 2017 16:00
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Intruder posted:Astros status: still flying high like Gurriel's hair It's like a separate team member all on its own. I wonder if it can field at 1st base.
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May 18, 2017 16:04
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BasicFunk posted:So the Pillar/Motte dust up just got messy... As a gay jays fan this whole this is getting way overblown and fast. Its all over the radio this morning. I hear that phrase all the time at pro and amateur sporting events.I hear it on my softball team that is half filled with gays, lesbians, EMTs and cops. It doesn't have to mean "lets round up the gays". It was a stupid and hateful thing to say, and I am sure he regrets saying it, but he wasn't saying it with the intention to insult gay people in general. If I remember correctly, Pillar was one of the vocal Jays when they were interviewed a year or two ago about the leafs "everyone can play" initiative supporting gay athletes in pro and amateur sports. He isn't John Rocker. He just said a stupid phrase. I really dont see it any different then if he called the pitcher a little bitch.
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May 18, 2017 16:07
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ComposerGuy posted:It's like a separate team member all on its own. As much as I love Gurriel's hair, OPSing .700ish at first base while being a butcher in the field isn't going to cut it Trade for Freddie Freeman immediately
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May 18, 2017 16:13
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Intruder posted:Trade for Freddie Freeman immediately He died 
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May 18, 2017 16:21
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patonthebach posted:As a gay jays fan this whole this is getting way overblown and fast. Its all over the radio this morning. I hear that phrase all the time at pro and amateur sporting events.I hear it on my softball team that is half filled with gays, lesbians, EMTs and cops. It doesn't have to mean "lets round up the gays". It was a stupid and hateful thing to say, and I am sure he regrets saying it, but he wasn't saying it with the intention to insult gay people in general. If I remember correctly, Pillar was one of the vocal Jays when they were interviewed a year or two ago about the leafs "everyone can play" initiative supporting gay athletes in pro and amateur sports. He isn't John Rocker. He just said a stupid phrase. I really dont see it any different then if he called the pitcher a little bitch. It was the last thing my ex heard before he was knocked unconscious after he came out in high school, so the word definitely has a lot more weight to some people than others. I try to at least call people out on it every time I hear it. It's a slur that's way too commonly heard, especially when sports are involved.
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May 18, 2017 16:22
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Ya there's a reason that we need to have right to play and similar organizations just to allow people to play sports and there's a reason there aren't openly gay athletes in most major male sports.
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May 18, 2017 16:23
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kensei posted:He died Oh right
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:It was the last thing my ex heard before he was knocked unconscious after he came out in high school, so the word definitely has a lot more weight to some people than others. I try to at least call people out on it every time I hear it. It's a slur that's way too commonly heard, especially when sports are involved. Thats absolutely horrible. I am thankful I live in Canada and basically haven't had any real threats of violence because of my sexuality in my life. I still want to make a distinction using a mean word does not neccesarily make an athlete a homophobe. Yes, he needed to apologize and I am sure he feels terrible. I don't think he actually hates gay people based on his other interviews. He is not Curt Schilling or John Rocker though.
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May 18, 2017 16:30
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If he apologized and is sincere I see no reason to lambaste him. If anything, it draws attention to how using the word was wrong and how even he recognizes he made a mistake Hopefully the apology isn't "I'm sorry if anyone was offended" pee pee doo doo
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May 18, 2017 16:31
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In the locker rooms etc that Pillar grew up in you heard gay slurs constantly. That sort of thing takes a long, long time to work itself out of your vernacular, especially when you're emotional about something. That doesn't make it ok, but it also doesn't mean that Pillar is MLB's Fred Phelps.
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YeahTubaMike posted:To my knowledge there are no active openly gay players at the Major League level. I was going to talk about David Denson being the only active openly gay player in an organization, but he retired during spring training. I am absolutely sure that there are gay dudes that play baseball, just like there are ones that play NFL. They just know what would happen if they were to come out and it's probably not worth it for them and it's sad as hell. Look what happened with Michael Sam in the NFL - there was SO much attention thrown his way. Granted, he turned out to be not very good but everyone was so focused on him being gay that it had to mess with him a little bit.
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It's more a reflection on the culture that still exists in baseball dugouts/locker rooms and I'm sure it's even worse in the minors. You would think by now people would have deleted it from their vocabulary as you mentioned you still hear it from time to time. I've heard it on occasion in my rec league once or twice. It's something that should be called out regardless if the player specifically meant to be homophobic or not. It's the only way the whole locker room culture will change, if guys feel they will be scrutinized for saying that kinda stuff.
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Michael Sam's combine was historically bad it's not hard to see why teams passed on him
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May 18, 2017 16:38
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Pillar's apology was a joke.
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Joey Freshwater posted:I am absolutely sure that there are gay dudes that play baseball, just like there are ones that play NFL. They just know what would happen if they were to come out and it's probably not worth it for them and it's sad as hell. Look what happened with Michael Sam in the NFL - there was SO much attention thrown his way. Granted, he turned out to be not very good but everyone was so focused on him being gay that it had to mess with him a little bit. Something similar happened with that one basketball player. I don't remember his name (maybe Jason something?), I don't follow basketball.
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Jason Collins was 35 when he came out and also not very good He was 7 years removed from averaging more than 3 points a game or 3 rebounds a game as a center
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bewbies posted:In the locker rooms etc that Pillar grew up in you heard gay slurs constantly. That sort of thing takes a long, long time to work itself out of your vernacular, especially when you're emotional about something. That doesn't make it ok, but it also doesn't mean that Pillar is MLB's Fred Phelps. Is anyone calling him MLB's Fred Phelps though? I like Pillar, but he hosed up badly here and needs to be held accountable.
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If any of you yelled a gay slur audibly after you hosed up doing your job you'd be in HRs office so fast your head would spin. Don't pretend that because these guys play sports that they need to be held to a different standard.
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Joey Freshwater posted:I am absolutely sure that there are gay dudes that play baseball, just like there are ones that play NFL. They just know what would happen if they were to come out and it's probably not worth it for them and it's sad as hell. Look what happened with Michael Sam in the NFL - there was SO much attention thrown his way. Granted, he turned out to be not very good but everyone was so focused on him being gay that it had to mess with him a little bit. Michael Sam was a fringe NFL prospect at best and all the attention he got from coming out is probably the reason he got drafted at all so I think it worked out pretty well for him.
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IcePhoenix posted:Michael Sam was a fringe NFL prospect at best and all the attention he got from coming out is probably the reason he got drafted at all so I think it worked out pretty well for him. Yeah I'm sure all the negative attention he got was just washed away by the money he made, you're right.
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Intruder posted:Jason Collins was 35 when he came out and also not very good John Amaechi similarly. There's obviously better gay players in major sports leagues who have gotten the message to keep their mouths shut till long after retirement, or take it with them to the grave. In conclusion, gently caress sports.
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Joey Freshwater posted:Yeah I'm sure all the negative attention he got was just washed away by the money he made, you're right. He got a lot of positive attention too. Also he probably didn't make much money since he didn't even make the final roster.
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Patrick Spens posted:Is anyone calling him MLB's Fred Phelps though? I like Pillar, but he hosed up badly here and needs to be held accountable. People are saying he should be run out of town, so kind of? He should definitely be suspended/donate his salary for the missed games. I think what Escobar did when he was in Toronto is worse, but his punishment should be the minimum for Pillar (Escobar got off light.) elentar posted:John Amaechi similarly. Look at the poo poo that gets said about Odell Beckham Jr. It's nauseating.
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