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Grand Fromage posted:Here's the weirdest question I think I've asked here: do any of you know the hieroglyphics for "semen"? The Set/Horus jizz story was a topic of conversation earlier and I couldn't find an answer. Look for this hieroglyoh: 
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May 18, 2017 15:41
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That article talks like you need a reason to dump bodies off a bridge.
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May 18, 2017 15:58
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Grand Fromage posted:Here's the weirdest question I think I've asked here: do any of you know the hieroglyphics for "semen"? The Set/Horus jizz story was a topic of conversation earlier and I couldn't find an answer.  https://archive.org/details/egyptianhierogly01budguoft
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May 18, 2017 17:04
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Super bowl to you.
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May 18, 2017 17:07
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Ask / Tell › Ask us about Roman/Greek/other ancient history: to catch the
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May 18, 2017 17:40
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Kassad posted:Ask / Tell › Ask us about Roman/Greek/other ancient history: to catch the
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May 18, 2017 17:45
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I bet that last glyph is the Egyptian creation, the waters of life and the first bit of land sticking out. That would make sense to have in the word for semen given its cultural significance.
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May 18, 2017 17:50
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Grand Fromage posted:I bet that last glyph is the Egyptian creation, the waters of life and the first bit of land sticking out. That would make sense to have in the word for semen given its cultural significance. Meanwhile I'm just going to tell myself that the first one is turned vertical.edit: does it bother anyone else here that the jizz emote is spelled with a "G"? This is the only place i've ever seen it spelled that way.
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May 18, 2017 17:51
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that's quite a mouthful Grand Fromage posted:I bet that last glyph is the Egyptian creation, the waters of life and the first bit of land sticking out. That would make sense to have in the word for semen given its cultural significance. didn't the pharaoh have to in the nile to keep the fields fertile
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May 18, 2017 18:03
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Hogge Wild posted:didn't the pharaoh have to My understanding is that tradition isn't well attested. Jizz was the creative force in Egyptian culture though. Women are just soil for men to plant the dickbabies in.
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May 18, 2017 18:07
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Grand Fromage posted:Here's the weirdest question I think I've asked here: do any of you know the hieroglyphics for "semen"? The Set/Horus jizz story was a topic of conversation earlier and I couldn't find an answer. Probably in the spells they found in the workers camp.
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May 18, 2017 18:07
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Amazing.
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May 18, 2017 18:07
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What's the hieroglyph for dickbutte?
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May 18, 2017 21:11
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Cyrano4747 posted:Meanwhile I'm just going to tell myself that the first one is On the other hand, the Great Pyramids at Giza.
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May 18, 2017 21:16
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I'm assuming from the fact that it's four characters that hieroglyphics aren't a straight pictographic language as I'd assumed--is it a syllabary, or a pictogram/syllabary hybrid?
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May 18, 2017 21:18
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cheetah7071 posted:pictogram/syllabary hybrid? This iirc
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May 18, 2017 21:21
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Cyrano4747 posted:This iirc Sort of. Logograms + determinatives + an abjad/syllabary type phonetic thing.
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May 18, 2017 21:29
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cheetah7071 posted:I'm assuming from the fact that it's four characters that hieroglyphics aren't a straight pictographic language as I'd assumed--is it a syllabary, or a pictogram/syllabary hybrid? Lots of words have determinatives -- symbols that tell you whether the word in question is an animal or a woman or a bodily discharge. I don't know much about hieroglyphics, but I can tell that the word quoted above is missing its "this is a bodily discharge" determinative. Maybe that's a lexicon thing, though?
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May 18, 2017 21:30
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homullus posted:Lots of words have determinatives -- symbols that tell you whether the word in question is an animal or a woman or a bodily discharge. Are these determinatives part of coptic, or are they unpronounced characters added to the writing? I took enough undergraduate linguistics to be super fascinated by this stuff
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May 18, 2017 21:32
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cheetah7071 posted:I'm assuming from the fact that it's four characters that hieroglyphics aren't a straight pictographic language as I'd assumed--is it a syllabary, or a pictogram/syllabary hybrid? You can see from the surrounding entries that it was more of a hybrid. Per wikipedia, "the same sign can, according to context, be interpreted in diverse ways: as a phonogram (phonetic reading), as a logogram, or as an ideogram (semagram; "determinative") (semantic reading)." 
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May 18, 2017 21:36
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homullus posted:animal or a woman or a bodily discharge. Ancient Egyptian 20 questions was hosed up
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May 18, 2017 21:39
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I want a language like German except instead of Masculine Feminine and Neuter all words are either Animal Woman or Bodily Discharge.
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May 18, 2017 23:55
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OwlFancier posted:I want a language like German except instead of Masculine Feminine and Neuter all words are either Animal Woman or Bodily Discharge. lol
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May 18, 2017 23:57
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OwlFancier posted:I want a language like German except instead of Masculine Feminine and Neuter all words are either Animal Woman or Bodily Discharge. Would the category for women also include fire and dangerous things?
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May 19, 2017 00:15
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OwlFancier posted:I want a language like German except instead of Masculine Feminine and Neuter all words are either Animal Woman or Bodily Discharge. Animals, Women, and Bodily Discharges are the foundation of the internet.
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May 19, 2017 00:18
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Squalid posted:On the subject of spurting, if any of you haven't yet subscribed to the British museum's youtube channel do it now, it is a goldmine. On a related note, I just got this new-ish book from the library and it's a pretty fun read: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/a-cabinet-of-ancient-medical-curiosities-9780190610432?cc=us&lang=en& Here's a bit from Hippocrates: quote:If a woman does not conceive, and you wish to ascertain whether she ever will, wrap her in blankets and fumigate her lower body. If it appears that the smoke passes up through her body to her nose and mouth, you may be sure that she is not infertile (Hippocrates, Aphorisms 5.59).
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May 19, 2017 00:24
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SerialKilldeer posted:Would the category for women also include fire and dangerous things? I mean I like those more as Bodily Discharges myself.
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May 19, 2017 00:29
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I came across this quote somewhere else online and I'd like to ask the author(s) to back it up with evidence, but having evidence to the contrary would be great too. Can anyone suggest some sites to dig through?quote:Depictions of Rome and Greece in ancient literature shows other ancient cultures found them quite backwards, and were adverse to mixing with them. By many standards they were very backwards, and it’s only Europe (and, as an extension, America) that revered them to the extent they do. Asia and Africa had no reason to see them as advanced, because they made many more technological advancements than either.
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May 19, 2017 05:05
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Uh. I mean, it was pretty common for empires to view other empires as filthy barbarians. The Persians certainly thought of the Greeks as uncouth barbarians, the Egyptians and Chinese thought of everyone as inferior. But the assertion that was correct because other places were more advanced certainly isn't true. For one, real life isn't a game of Civilization where you can count how many things you've researched on the tech tree. Nobody on Earth was building like the classical Romans and wouldn't be for a thousand years. The Greeks invented forms of warfare so effective that literally everyone who came into contact with them copied it. The Romans were a world-spanning multi-ethnic state and all the evidence is that anyone who could get to the empire in the Old World probably did. Every group in Europe lived there, tons from Africa and the Middle East, and there's evidence of Indians, East Asians, and Japanese living there. People certain'y weren't adverse. This sounds like Black Egypt style desperate attempts to claim heritage by dismissing reality. Which always pisses me off. Yeah there's all sorts of cool stuff in Asia and Africa and the Americas that doesn't get the study it deserves. That doesn't change or diminish what happened in Europe.
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the case could definitely be made that the greek citystates were poor, isolated barbarians compared to the persian empire at the time Herodotus describes tho, and it's just an accident of history that we see their fight as a showdown between greek civilization and persian barbarism / a foretaste of the "clash of civilizations" between "the west" and "the middle east"
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May 19, 2017 05:20
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That statement is so broad that I'm sure it's kinda true for at least some portions of history (like, Carthage is African and I'm sure they thought rome was a backwater at the beginning of the first punic war; I'm sure Ptolemaic Egypt thought the same thing until Rome got too big to ignore). But there's records of China considering Rome (vaguely, since they barely had contact) to be their western counterpart; Parthia and later Sasanid Persia were constant rivals with Rome but were always on the back foot or at best relative equality until like the 6th century. Africa is a bigger head-scratcher because Rome controlled more or less the entirety of those parts of Africa that were "civilized" during the period that Rome existed. I'd need a lot more context for that quote to say more than that though. e: yeah if you limit it to Greece and ignore Rome then it's much more broadly true for a long period; the only real reason we care at all about Greeks before Alexander is because they were so much better at writing things down than their neighbors (or, alternatively, Alexander made it so that it was much more popular to preserve Greek texts) cheetah7071 fucked around with this message at 05:24 on May 19, 2017 |
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May 19, 2017 05:21
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cheetah7071 posted:e: yeah if you limit it to Greece and ignore Rome then it's much more broadly true for a long period; the only real reason we care at all about Greeks before Alexander is because they were so much better at writing things down than their neighbors (or, alternatively, Alexander made it so that it was much more popular to preserve Greek texts) if the civilization that preceded the civilization that preceded the civilization that gave rise to america were in what is now iran, we'd all be talking about darius the great right now
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HEY GAIL posted:the case could definitely be made that the greek citystates were poor, isolated barbarians compared to the persian empire at the time Herodotus describes tho, and it's just an accident of history that we see their fight as a showdown between greek civilization and persian barbarism / a foretaste of the "clash of civilizations" between "the west" and "the middle east" Yeah it's fair that we care about the Greeks because they're our cultural ancestors. Like a lot of these things we need a timeframe. Greeks were isolated mountain people and then they took over the entire classical world. If it's trying to make the argument that non-western cultures don't care much about the Greeks so therefore they weren't important, that's a big can of worms to open up and also dumb.
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HEY GAIL posted:the persians wrote tons of poo poo down dog, it's because the people who lived nearby much later perceived themselves as related to the greeks in a way that they weren't to the persians Um excuse me we'd actually be talking about Cyrus
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May 19, 2017 05:36
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Cambyses conquered Egypt I don't see why he gets the short end of the stick just cuz he was insane.
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HEY GAIL posted:the case could definitely be made that the greek citystates were poor, isolated barbarians compared to the persian empire at the time Herodotus describes tho, and it's just an accident of history that we see their fight as a showdown between greek civilization and persian barbarism / a foretaste of the "clash of civilizations" between "the west" and "the middle east" I don't think this position is actually tennable if you consider cultural contributions Greeks developed in the period in which the interaction between Persia and Greece occured -- it's not just a question of relationship to our civilization. It's more interesting to think about the suggestion in some of the literature that it was that period that was probably the most culturally formative, maybe because of the wars in that period, or that which was being developed during. Disinterested fucked around with this message at 05:56 on May 19, 2017 |
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May 19, 2017 05:48
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The context for that quote was Tumblr ( http://writingwithcolor.tumblr.com/post/160812913398/how-to-blend-cultures-without-making-impossible ) and I want to think that it was written with good intentions, but in some hands the line between genuine education about minority cultures and pointlessly bashing what's more well known gets nonexistent. I love few things more than I love people discussing things they're knowledgable about, which is the reason I read threads like this despite not knowing much about the topic. I try to find decent blogs to continue learning through other people's knowledge but sometimes I end up finding utter garbage in the process.
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The blog post looks well-intentioned and has some definitely good points on worldbuilding (which is the point of the post I think? it's a bit confusing) but it's kinda weird in places and doesn't really have a firm grasp on ancient history. e: despite it being literally an example of what not to do, that post made me start picturing what the aesthetic of a fictional asian/roman hybrid would look like. I'm picturing pagodas supported by corinthian columns and it's pretty cool cheetah7071 fucked around with this message at 07:22 on May 19, 2017 |
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May 19, 2017 07:17
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Well, just to take two quick examples, it's fairly clear that China did not perceive Rome as a garbage barbarian society. It imported Roman products, and the limited accounts available are not insulting or demeaning in tone:quote:This country (the Roman Empire) has more than four hundred smaller cities and towns. It extends several thousand li in all directions. The king has his capital (that is, the city of Rome) close to the mouth of a river (the Tiber). The outer walls of the city are made of stone. Or, facing in the other direction, respect for Egypt is almost a universal value across all ancient Mediterranean societies, which is ironically a major reason people want to invade it, both before and after the Ptolemies are in charge.
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When is that quote from? I'm trying to think of what they're talking about in the second paragraph and the best I can think of is it's a misunderstanding of the republican system and they're referring to consuls.
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