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 I, Lutfi al-Uthman, will remain with the Taifas! The Christians are puny before our might! France shall fall to the forces of Al-Andalus!
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I, Emir Shoota al-Boy, formally pledge my families allegiance to the Taifas. My grandfather stood with them, while my father supported the Merchants. While I feel there is still much to be made of the unexplored, I feel that now is the right time to strike back against the northern infidels, and drive them from our lands! We defeated their Italy and proven ourselves able to equal them, now we must show ourselves to be superior!
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May 19, 2017 09:57
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 I, Chatrapati, remain with the Ulama.
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 If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Staying with the Merchants. Snipee posted:Like hell we are going to accept the Christians. What have we fought all of our wars for? The Merchants are inevitably going to sacrifice our long-term stability and prosperity for short-term profits. We must convert all of our provinces before thinking about more colonial adventures!
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May 19, 2017 10:17
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Switching to the Ulama
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Excellent. With a militant Sultan bearing the light of Islam to the remaining Christian holdouts on the Peninsula, We don't need to waste time or actions telling him to do so. Indeed, the only thing that could hold us back is the threat of rebellion amongst newly conquered provinces: We need those armies on the front lines, not playing nursemaid to uppity dissidents. The only way we can take that scimitar of al-Damocles from above our head is by converting those provinces, and the only way we can do that is with an Ulema majority. Bear in mind the Ulema are fully open to aiding in war against those who resist Islam. I stand with the Ulema, and call upon the Taifa to do the same so that we can support our Warrior Sultan by keeping him on the attack rather than fighting fires at home.
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I, Samwyiyl al-Samivyr, remain with the Merchants! The tea-trade rules everything around me. Samovar fucked around with this message at 12:39 on May 19, 2017 |
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Here's the tally, let me know if I missed someone: – 17, Lord Cyrahzax, the JJ, Grizzwold, ThatBasqueGuy, Crazycryodude, RZApublican, catlord, Flavius Belisarius, everydayfalls, TildeATH, MuteAllison, Rodyle, Chief Savage Man, Captain Oblivious, Frionnel, Luhood, ShootaBoy. – 10, Soup du Jour, Mountaineer, Snipee, Slaan, LordGugs, Duey, Ralepozozaxe, Chatrapati, sheep-dodger, AJ_Impy. – 14, Archaeology Hat, Technowolf, WilliamAnderson, Merchants, Yessod, Bloody Pom, Dick Trauma, Talas, General Antares, Rubix Squid, Ikasuhito, Mikl, Yvonmukluk, Samovar.
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ive grown fat and rich on the teat of the merchants! But as ive grown older ive come to realize that gold is no substitute for god! Switching to the Ulema!
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May 19, 2017 13:14
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Affi posted:ive grown fat and rich on the teat of the merchants! But as ive grown older ive come to realize that gold is no substitute for god! You'll be donating using most of your gold for charity then?  Staying in the Ulama
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May 19, 2017 13:27
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I stand with the Merchants. We must avoid ruinous and expensive wars with the european powers at all costs. Europe's time is past, we should invest all of our effort into exploiting the new lands that Allah has revealed to us.
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May 19, 2017 13:47
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As-salamu alaykum, my fellow Ulama. The faithful al-Impy speaks true when he says we need not waste our time urging the new Sultan into conflict; he shall be more than happy to bring down the sword of Allah with his own hand. Instead we need turn our attention to converting those Portuguese that still hide from the divine radiance of Islam.
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Hashim posted:
Hey, think you copied part of my post rather than my user name. 
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmm switching back to the Taifas We will have pretty borders.
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Remaining with the merchants. There will come a time when we need to convert those Christian provinces we've acquired, but for now the merchants are still doing good work.
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Staying with the ulema.
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Switching to Merchants.. It looks like our new Sultan has military matters well in hand. We need cooler heads in the Majlis. And it seems pretty obvious that we need to accept the dhimmi as a core culture. Tolerance
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May 19, 2017 16:14
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I, Ali al-User, will be remaining with the Merchants
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Switching back to the Taifas
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If you leave the merchants you don't get invited to the weekend poker game. Just putting that out there.
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Dick Trauma posted:If you leave the merchants you don't get invited to the weekend poker game. Just putting that out there. Careful with the gambling or the Ulama will put you in the Kaffir Faction.
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Is it possible to soften up on some of the self-imposed restrictions if the numbers end up really close? For instance, if the Merchants lose to the Taifas by one or two votes, it seems harsh to prohibit colonization altogether versus reducing the amount of colonization. Likewise, it seems harsh to prohibit all Iberian expansionism if the Taifas lost to the Merchants by a few votes or to declare a total failure to convert Christian provinces if the Ulama lost by a minimal amount of votes. Basically, I was hoping that the Majlis could adjust the government's behavior more on a continuous sliding scale and less on a series of discrete binary decisions that can come off as slightly schizophrenic to the history books (especially if the votes are close). Snipee fucked around with this message at 18:54 on May 19, 2017 |
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May 19, 2017 18:43
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That literally defeats the entire point of factions, which is to focus on a single thing at a time so that we don't blob out of control, but very few things are completely blocked off anyways. Even if the Merchants get in power again, for example, the Taifas can still submit policies to vassalize kingdoms, to force them to release other countries, to force-break alliances etc. Similarly, if the New Taifas gain a majority, then the Merchants will still be able to beef up the war fleet, fabricate trade conflicts, explore the New World and so on. But I will revise restrictions a bit, to make it possible for the Merchants and Ulema to do worthwhile stuff whilst not in power.
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Gonna reiterate my support for the New Taifas!
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I don't have EU4, so I have no idea how the game works tbh. Can we really blob that hard with France next to us? Anyways, I was proposing something in the event that the faction numbers end up super close because our previous two assembly compositions were not close at all.
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I remain with the League of Merchants I do wish to inform our king that a sailor's life is not full of niceties. And while I am fine with his expansionism, we must take care he does not go too far like his predecessor.
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Snipee posted:I don't have EU4, so I have no idea how the game works tbh. Can we really blob that hard with France next to us? Anyways, I was proposing something in the event that the faction numbers end up super close because our previous two assembly compositions were not close at all. Yeah, it is a lot closer, so I'll try and work on something for that. From the next session onward, I figure the second-largest faction will have less restrictions than the smallest. So if the Ulema are the second-largest, for example, then they will be able to use their policy to convert one or two provinces. It won't be anywhere near as much as if they'd been the largest, but it's better than converting nothing, which is the case if they're the smallest. As for France, it is a bit of a risky situation. Technically, if they get stuck in their war for long enough, they could stack war exhaustion to the point where they won't defend Castille if we attack, which would be the perfect opportunity to break alliances and take a couple provinces. Otherwise, the only thing we can really do is annex Galicia, who have no allies, or break the alliance with Aragon. hashashash fucked around with this message at 19:21 on May 19, 2017 |
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Wait, colonization is off the table if the merchants lose their majority? That's bad, if we don't manage to claim the Caribbean before someone else, we're going to lose out on a gigantic source of trade income as it is basically the funnel that sends all the wealth in the Americas directly to Seville.
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Bot 02 posted:Wait, colonization is off the table if the merchants lose their majority? That's bad, if we don't manage to claim the Caribbean before someone else, we're going to lose out on a gigantic source of trade income as it is basically the funnel that sends all the wealth in the Americas directly to Seville. Yeah, for the most part. The Taifas don't care much for trade, they want continental expansion.
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Seems to me like we would be able to make a lot more progress if we didn't constantly spend thousands of Andalusi lives to protect a bunch of rebellious back-stabbing Sicilians.
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I remain with the League of Merchants
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Hashim posted:Yeah, it is a lot closer, so I'll try and work on something for that. From the next session onward, I figure the second-largest faction will have less restrictions than the smallest. So if the Ulema are the second-largest, for example, then they will be able to use their policy to convert one or two provinces. It won't be anywhere near as much as if they'd been the largest, but it's better than converting nothing, which is the case if they're the smallest. Fantastic. This is even more than what I was hoping for because my thinking was that a more divided Majli should be forced to compromise more and be less singularly focused on the agenda of any single faction. paragon1 posted:Seems to me like we would be able to make a lot more progress if we didn't constantly spend thousands of Andalusi lives to protect a bunch of rebellious back-stabbing Sicilians. It seems to me like you have the wrong notion of progress, my friend. We are the only Great Power to follow the light of Islam, and if we do not protect the Muslims in Italy, then who will? Snipee fucked around with this message at 21:34 on May 19, 2017 |
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Bot 02 posted:Wait, colonization is off the table if the merchants lose their majority? That's bad, if we don't manage to claim the Caribbean before someone else, we're going to lose out on a gigantic source of trade income as it is basically the funnel that sends all the wealth in the Americas directly to Seville. This is exactly why I switched to the merchants. We need this.
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Snipee posted:It seems to me like you have the wrong notion of progress, my friend. We are the only Great Power to follow the light of Islam, and if we do not protect the Muslims in Italy, than who will? A Jizrunidi Pope.
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Tendronai joins the Merchants, the time has come to level our position and dominate the riches of the new world.
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Third Meeting of the Majlis, cont'd. – 20, Lord Cyrahzax, the JJ, Grizzwold, ThatBasqueGuy, Crazycryodude, RZApublican, catlord, Flavius Belisarius, everydayfalls, TildeATH, MuteAllison, Rodyle, Chief Savage Man, Captain Oblivious, Frionnel, Luhood, ShootaBoy, paragon1, Hitlers Gay Secret, punched my v-card at camp. – 15, Soup du Jour, Mountaineer, Snipee, Slaan, LordGugs, Duey, Ralepozozaxe, Chatrapati, sheep-dodger, AJ_Impy, Affi, Agean90, Erwin the German, tunapirate, Sampatrick. – 22, Archaeology Hat, Technowolf, WilliamAnderson, GunnerJ, Yessod, Bloody Pom, Dick Trauma, Talas, General Antares, Rubix Squid, Ikasuhito, Mikl, Yvonmukluk, Samovar, The Lone Badger, Bot 02, Viola the Mad, HailedUser, Lynneth, Dance Officer, Aeromancia, Tendronai. By a very slim margin, the League of Merchants retain their position as the dominant faction. --- For more information on policies, available buildings and diplomatic actions, click here. Policy Restrictions The League of Merchants can submit two policies, the New Taifas one, and the Ulema one. The League of Merchants are the dominant faction, so they will have no restrictions to their policies. The New Taifas are the second-largest faction, which means policies may not involve wars of conquest. Other casus bellis, such as wars of vassalization, releasing countries, or force-breaking alliances are all perfectly fine. The Ulema are the smallest faction, so there can be no religious conversion of provinces. --- Buildings Regimental camps are now available. For more information on available buildings and their effects, click here.  --- State of Affairs Government: Reformed Taifa System (power split between the Sultan and Majlis) Ruling Faction: The League of Merchants Permitted Factions: The New Taifas, the Ulema. Rivals: France, Castille Alliances: Morocco, Tunis, Palermo, Aragon. Subjects: none Other Pacts: none Diplomatic slots: 4/4 Treasury: 80 gold (170 gold in debt) --- With that, the floor is now open for policies.
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Proposing the Caribbean D.R.E.A.M. Act - Focus on nabbing territory in the Caribbean with an initial goal of establishing at least one self-sufficient colony* there. *Based on what WilliamAnderson said, this means a Colonial Nation. (Thanks!) )GunnerJ fucked around with this message at 21:37 on May 19, 2017 |
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