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Pissflaps posted:Looks like Labour is in a muddle about Trident Saying Thornberry 'seemed to suggest' something rather than quoting her implies she said no such thing.
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jabby posted:Saying Thornberry 'seemed to suggest' something rather than quoting her implies she said no such thing. http://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/elections/general-election-2017/lbcs-election-call/emily-thornberry-does-not-rule-out-trident/ When asked if Trident would definitely continue as Labour party policy even after such review had taken place, Emily Thornberry replied: “No, of course not, if you’re going to have a review, you have to have a review.”
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May 19, 2017 23:42
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crispix posted:Goons, I will be in the Question Time audience this coming Thursday. I hope sincerely that you spend the entire time doing football chants at the tories. However many of them there are on stage.
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May 19, 2017 23:45
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LemonDrizzle posted:http://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/elections/general-election-2017/lbcs-election-call/emily-thornberry-does-not-rule-out-trident/ I'm not sure what your point is, but I agree with Thornberry. What's the point of having a review if you decide to ignore it if you don't like the outcome?
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May 19, 2017 23:56
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Our Windows XP submarines must patrol the oceans forever.
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May 20, 2017 00:00
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kingturnip posted:I'm not sure what your point is, but I agree with Thornberry. They maybe should have all agreed that Trident may not be renewed before putting in the manifesto that it would be?
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May 20, 2017 00:01
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kingturnip posted:I'm not sure what your point is
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May 20, 2017 00:03
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Our Windows XP submarines must patrol the oceans forever. Tbf i doubt they're running on btinternet with mcafee antivirus and opening fw: fw: fw: cute-dog-pic.exe attachments on the pcs that control the nukes. Wait... of course they are
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May 20, 2017 00:05
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LemonDrizzle posted:My point is that she did indeed explicitly say that Trident could be scrapped under a Corbyn-led government, exactly as the newsnight interviewer claimed she did. Yeah they urgently need a bit of clarity on this. Either Griffiths is going beyond what had been agreed or Thornberry is unaware of what's been agreed.
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May 20, 2017 00:28
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Pissflaps posted:Make that 95%. It'd be helpful if you actually provided any reasoning whatsoever to make that conclusion.
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May 20, 2017 00:29
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Lord of the Llamas posted:It'd be helpful if you actually provided any reasoning whatsoever to make that conclusion. Reasoning other than overwhelming Tory dominance in the polls, the Labour leadership's unpopularity and UKIP not standing in hundreds of seats? I think expecting at least 35 Labour seats to go Tory is utterly reasonable
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May 20, 2017 00:37
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I feel like using "Trident" as shorthand for "any nuclear deterrent" isn't helping
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May 20, 2017 00:52
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Pissflaps posted:Reasoning other than overwhelming Tory dominance in the polls, the Labour leadership's unpopularity and UKIP not standing in hundreds of seats? I think expecting at least 35 Labour seats to go Tory is utterly reasonable Yes, we can put numbers on all of those things. How about you stop waving your loving hand about. I've already stated that the recent polling evidence would be between 0.4-0.6 on this graph but you're claiming 95% towards the extreme Labour losses?
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May 20, 2017 00:54
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May 20, 2017 00:55
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hot loving take there
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May 20, 2017 00:56
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What did she mean by this?
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May 20, 2017 00:57
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Yes, we can put numbers on all of those things. How about you stop waving your loving hand about. I've already stated that the recent polling evidence would be between 0.4-0.6 on this graph but you're claiming 95% towards the extreme Labour losses? These graphs are too complicated for me. I think it's extremely likely Labour will lose at least 35 seats. You disagree. We'll know for sure in just three weeks.
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May 20, 2017 00:58
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Pissflaps posted:These graphs are too complicated for me. You're such a bollocks.
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May 20, 2017 01:00
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MrL_JaKiri posted:I feel like using "Trident" as shorthand for "any nuclear deterrent" isn't helping To be honest that's a pretty good get-out clause right there. "When I said Trident would be included in the review, I only meant in the sense that it could be upgraded or replaced with a better nuclear deterrent. Of course Labour is committed to maintaining a continuous at-sea nuclear deterrent." They probably won't do that, but it would be pretty good spin.
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May 20, 2017 01:01
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Pissflaps posted:These graphs are too complicated for me. I think it's extremely likely Labour will lose at least 35 seats. You disagree. We'll know for sure in just three weeks. The idea that the more Con gains than Lab from UKIP they win more seats is too complicated? Lord of the Llamas fucked around with this message at 01:09 on May 20, 2017 |
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May 20, 2017 01:04
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Lord of the Llamas posted:The idea that the more Con gains from Lab from UKIP they win more seats is too complicated? I'm struggling to parse this sentence never mind the graphs.
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May 20, 2017 01:05
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Regarde Aduck posted:You're such a bollocks. And yet people keep trying.
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May 20, 2017 01:08
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In more fun news, it looks like the Telegraph has become the first right-wing rag to snap after the revelation that Scottish pensioners get to keep their fuel allowances. Even sidelining their hot take on Corbyn/IRA to have a go at May. https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/865671981307441152
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May 20, 2017 01:09
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Lord of the Llamas posted:The idea that the more Con gains than Lab from UKIP they win more seats is too complicated? Although to be fair, the wording here is painful. I know that the graph is showing that the Tories are gaining votes from the collapse of skip, which means they are more likely to win seats that had a right wing vote split in previous elections.
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May 20, 2017 01:12
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Pissflaps posted:I'm struggling to parse this sentence never mind the graphs. My bad maybe, I did say "from Lab" not "than Lab" so I'm ever so sorry if you couldn't figure out the meaning. But the lower graph is very simple; it shows the number of seats Labour would win given that X net proportion of the UKIP vote went Tory.
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May 20, 2017 01:14
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Lord of the Llamas posted:My bad maybe, I did say "from Lab" not "than Lab" so I'm ever so sorry if you couldn't figure out the meaning. What does the graph tell us about Labour voters moving to the Tories in marginals, or Labour voters not turning out on the day?
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May 20, 2017 01:16
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Pissflaps posted:What does the graph tell us about Labour voters moving to the Tories in marginals, or Labour voters not turning out on the day? Nothing. But the polling evidence is that the UKIP collapse is the only significant change in the landscape and the electorate is now divided down Brexit lines. I'll be happy to apply more analysis to the polling data for any hypothesis you have.
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May 20, 2017 01:24
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Pissflaps fails to understand easily understandable thing. Shocker. Since then Labour managed to put out their policy outlines in a format understandable by all, including the deaf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efQo4LbXO6c
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Kokoro Wish posted:Pissflaps fails to understand easily understandable thing. Shocker. pissflaps needs the translation for the dumb
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May 20, 2017 04:48
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kingturnip posted:I'm not sure what your point is, but I agree with Thornberry. *Roy Jenkins laughs in a proportionally representative manner*
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May 20, 2017 06:52
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So what are you guys planning on doing when you're no longer allowed to discuss politics online?
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May 20, 2017 07:10
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Lightning Lord posted:So what are you guys planning on doing when you're no longer allowed to discuss politics online? I'm going to live like a dangerous cyber-haxx0r and continue doing it anyway 
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May 20, 2017 07:18
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Keep in mind the bleeding-edge wisdom on policing online discourse:quote:... the purpose of these fabricated posts is not to argue with other social-media users, but to distract them. To perform the study, King and his two coauthors—Jennifer Pan, Ph.D. ’15, and Margaret Roberts, Ph.D. ’14—analyzed a trove of leaked emails sent between local government offices and the propaganda department in one county in southeastern China. “A big giant mess of a dataset,” King recalls, from which the researchers harvested nearly 44,000 fabricated social-media posts from 2013 and 2014. Across all of China, they calculated, that suggests about 450 million posts per year. In those King and his team read, 50-cent party members “are not arguing with anybody at all,” he says. They don’t jump into fights when other users complain about the regime’s repressions or corruption among local officials. Blunt hammers are ineffective and even counterproductive. In that sense the UK is "safe" from such approaches, which require a degree of conscious manipulation that cannot be sustained in a liberally-democratic regulatory bureaucracy. But don't worry, the Mail and the Sun will be quite happy to provide instead.
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May 20, 2017 07:57
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hey chaps lets do some direct acti- in runs pissflaps screaming "WHAT A LOVELY DAY"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz9VlsOeXc8 God bless Alexander Jahans
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May 20, 2017 10:04
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jabby posted:Yeah they urgently need a bit of clarity on this. Either Griffiths is going beyond what had been agreed or Thornberry is unaware of what's been agreed. My gut feeling is that there is still genuine disagreement on Trident and they're both speaking truthfully. All sides have agreed that it's necessary to keep Trident renewal as Labour policy at the moment, and to keep it in the manifesto, for the sake of a united front. All the CND lot genuinely see the defence review as a chance to change that stance in the future (which is probably why they agreed to temporarily support it now).
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Mugsbaloney posted:hey chaps lets do some direct acti- in runs pissflaps screaming "WHAT A LOVELY DAY" Pissflaps is a war boy and I claim my five pounds
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May 20, 2017 10:51
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Here's a hot take on Trident: as long as there are malicious actors who possess nukes then there needs to be a deterrent to prevent said actors from acting on their malicious goals. Ideally we wouldn't need nukes but we live in world where people would unironically vote for Tory Jesus. Thank you ladies and gentlemen 
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