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BWV posted:In the past I think the teams that played best against lebron didnt do it by trying to "stop him" but by just denying his passing options. Now tho he's built a team where every player can shoot so it's much more difficult. 2014 was the How To Beat LeBron series. On defense they passed around him and on offense they had Real Finals MVP Diaw doing the man-on-man and Kawhi helping some too and on defense the entire team moved like one consciousness in five bodies Edit: also they turned off the AC to overheat his robot body lol or wait was that 2013
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Niwrad posted:I also don't think they'd have to give up Crowder and Bradley to the Bulls in that deal. Bulls should be happy just getting the 1st pick. To make the numbers work they could use Zeller instead of Crowder. I think they'd be able to keep Crowder if they renounced Olynyk although maybe my math is wrong. That's a cap issue as much as anything. If they renounce all their FAs, waive Zeller and MIckey (both on non-guaranteed contracts) and don't sign the first pick they have approx. $34.4m cap room which is enough to sign Hayward to the $30.3m max. However Butler's salary next season is $18.7m - Crowder is $6.8m, Bradley is $8.8m. You can't take on more salary than you are sending out if the deal puts you over the cap, so you'd have to include both Crowder and Bradley which would just about squeeze you under the cap. Whichever order you did it in (sign Hayward in FA then trade for Butler in August, or trade for Butler at the draft and sign Hayward after) it wouldn't work unless you included both Crowder and Bradley. Of course if you don't sign Hayward then you just absorb the extra money Butler makes into cap space, then resign all your own FAs afterwards. But to get both Butler and Hayward this summer you need to free up a lot of space. Ironically the problem with Boston having all their players on such good value contracts means it's difficult to trade for players on big deals. Unless you are trading Horford which doesn't make sense. And it's not just that Crowder and Bradley are the two players Indiana/Chicago would most likely want in a trade, but those are the Celtics' biggest contracts outside Horford or the non-guaranteed Zeller for next year which is why they'd have to be included. If you swapped in Smart for Bradley the math wouldn't work. quote:They still have a bunch of assets they could use to improve the bench. Believe they have a future first from Memphis and the Clippers in their pocket. Plus some extra second rounders. Also yes they'd still have assets, but they'd be an over the cap team, so they'd only be able to package those picks for players making less than whomever they send out. So again unless you are including Horford in any deal, unless there is someone out there making less than Marcus Smart or Jaylen Brown (about $5m) you can't get them no matter how many first rounders you throw at their team. tanglewood1420 fucked around with this message at 02:03 on May 21, 2017 |
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As a general rule (which obviously has exceptions) I sorta think in the NBA the "two nickels for a dime" style trades are usually a boon to your team. You can always find some more decent roleplayers (honestly wouldn't be surprised to find the Celtics doing the Spurs Minor thing where their role players look way worse on the next team) but you should probably get a star if you can.
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It seems that the teams that have beaten or played LeBron close had very good rim protectors? They need embiid
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Femur posted:It seems that the teams that have beaten or played LeBron close had very good rim protectors? They all had rim protectors who were great defensive QBs, calling assignments and moving people around Mavericks had Shawn Marion for Lebron's body and Tyson Chandler at the rim Celtics had Garnett and then big guys, Spurs had Kawhi/Diaw with Duncan at the rim. The pistons teams that held young Lebron down had Ben Wallace and Rasheed Wallace The Warriors had Igoudala/Livingston and Green Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 02:23 on May 21, 2017 |
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May 21, 2017 02:20
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And the Warriors clearly don't count but Bogut and Draymond are DPOY caliber dudes
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I think people really over value mid-tier assets on good contracts. Marcus Smart, Crowder, and Bradley are all "great deals" but no championship team in their right mind would want them playing meaningful minutes. A cheap asset is useless if you dont reallocate assets to get better players. Just cause Smart is on a great contract doesn't mean he's suddenly a better player.
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BWV posted:I think people really over value mid-tier assets on good contracts. Marcus Smart, Crowder, and Bradley are all "great deals" but no championship team in their right mind would want them playing meaningful minutes. ???? Bradley and Crowder would get meaningful minutes on any team in the NBA
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Tony Allen couldn't possibly find minutes on a championship squad and neither can Avery
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Cool Buff Man posted:???? Bradley and Crowder would get meaningful minutes on any team in the NBA I guess lately I feel that more and more people confuse a player's skill with their contract's value BWV fucked around with this message at 02:32 on May 21, 2017 |
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I think you should forget that PER exists for a start Also I guess we're quibbling semantics but to me "meaningful minutes" does not mean you have to be a starter
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Yeah PER isnt a great way to evaluate dudes whose prime selling point is their defense. You want those dudes on squads with guys who can already score. Like the Pelicans maybe
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Crowder had a 61.3% true shooting this year, it's not like he's an offensive liability either. Bradley is also a 39% shooter from three. You don't have to hide them by any means
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Space Camp fuckup posted:Apparently Wilt Chamberlain played professional basketball when he was 16 under a false identity I maintained he could've played pro basketball in his 50s, he was still a physical monster like until his 60s where he very suddenly got thin and then dead.
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I'll find better example that dont affirm my Anti-Celtic bias, but I was just thinking about how we overvalue the skillets of players because they have good contracts.
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They would definitely have roles and Bradley is a great defender who can generally score, most teams would probably find a way to start him.
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I was about to say he' wouldn't start on any of the top 4 teams in either conference (minus his own) but a dead boy could replace Demarre Carroll and put up better numbers.
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BWV posted:I was about to say he' wouldn't start on any of the top 4 teams in either conference (minus his own) but a dead boy could replace Demarre Carroll and put up better numbers. Lol he'd immediately be placed in the cavs starting lineup
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A good player on a cheap contract is always great to have
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Libertine posted:A good player on a cheap contract is always great to have obviously, having assets at a good value is always advised. I was just thinking that sometimes when we hear constantly about how good of a value a player is we confuse their salary-cap value with their on court value.
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Libertine posted:A good player on a cheap contract is always great to have you could make a genuine argument that the most valuable asset the Pistons have is Marcus Morris
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DC Murderverse posted:I know he's working for the Lakers right now but Philly should back a dumptruck up to the charity of KAJ's choice and hire him to work with Embiid and teach him the ways of the sky-hook Embiid with a skyhook dear god
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The NBA is amazing
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I know the Spurs took apart the Heat in 2014, but why are people acting like that wasn't a team held together by sticky glue that collapsed because Wade was old and they sacrificed depth to trim their tax bill. They were the definition of a contender on it's last legs and I think most people knew that going in.
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WhyteRyce posted:I know the Spurs took apart the Heat in 2014, but why are people acting like that wasn't a team held together by sticky glue that collapsed because Wade was old and they sacrificed depth to trim their tax bill. They were the definition of a contender on it's last legs and I think most people knew that going in. You let me hold on to my narrative god drat it 
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That spurs team was on another level tho. Sunset prime Duncan, sober diaw, Parker , manu
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I love that losing sends lebron into a solipsistic mental coma
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that spurs team shot like 80% through three quarters it was rough times to be a less defensively minded lebron team
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If the NBA was a wrestling promotion, its last 7-8 seasons (basically everything after Lakers back-to-back) have been really well booked
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These Finals have a chance to be the best ever.
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illcendiary posted:If the NBA was a wrestling promotion, its last 7-8 seasons (basically everything after Lakers back-to-back) have been really well booked When those Heat teams were at their peak it was ultra aggressive attacking PNRs but then Wade got old and it was just LeBron and Bosh able to keep up any pressure. The Spurs were at their absolute peak and the Heat were in their death throes, it wasn't like Pop finally figured out the LeBron secret and will carry it to his grave
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also the all ball handlers all passing team was pretty good at not getting bothered by the traps
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euphronius posted:These Finals have a chance to be the best ever. I'm optimistic but it'd be really hard to top last year
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morestuff posted:I'm optimistic but it'd be really hard to top last year Imagine last year but lebron completes the chaos dunk
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Can't believe the Cavs won and LeBron somehow ended up still very mad. Like adopting Kobe levels of petty
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euphronius posted:Imagine last year but lebron completes the chaos dunk lol, that's what i posted in the game thread
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euphronius posted:I love that losing sends lebron into a solipsistic mental coma That chuckle after he heard that Klay called him weak was and still is bone-chilling
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illcendiary posted:If the NBA was a wrestling promotion, its last 7-8 seasons (basically everything after Lakers back-to-back) have been really well booked If the NBA was a wrestling promotion then it's been poorly booked since the last Lakers title, because the Lakers and Knicks are the money workers and aren't involved in the main event, which means they've left a lot of money on the table, and booking to make money is the actual point of wrestling booking.
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WhyteRyce posted:When those Heat teams were at their peak it was ultra aggressive attacking PNRs but then Wade got old and it was just LeBron and Bosh able to keep up any pressure. Shane Battier turning into a pumpkin was also a big deal.
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