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There will probably be more back-and-forth on this with the FAA, but an appeals court has ruled that model aircraft aren't subject to FAA regulation or registration. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/appeals-court-strikes-faa-drone-registration-rule-47514096
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$5 and marking your drone so that people could figure out what dumbass caused an incident was too burdensome? Yeah, this isn't going to end well once congress gets involved after some high profile accident.
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Murgos posted:$5 and marking your drone so that people could figure out what dumbass caused an incident was too burdensome? Even the drone makers and commercial operators were in favour of this level of regulation, it was just idiot recreational operators who bitched, and those are exactly the sort who are most likely to do something stupid and dangerous. Transport Canada is so much more competent than the FAA...
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Major Kong has posted part one of his flying autobiography. His story is for the most part a happy one, but even then it paints a pretty stark picture of how lovely it can be to be a pilot.
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Maybe i don't understand something here, but what's the difference between "drones" and the rc planes/helicopters my granddad used to build and fly 30 years ago?
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May 20, 2017 16:59
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PT6A posted:Even the drone makers and commercial operators were in favour of this level of regulation, it was just idiot recreational operators who bitched, and those are exactly the sort who are most likely to do something stupid and dangerous. Transport Canada and competent in the line? What is happening!!!
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blugu64 posted:Maybe i don't understand something here, but what's the difference between "drones" and the rc planes/helicopters my granddad used to build and fly 30 years ago? There's more of them now, and they're both easier to fly and cheaper to replace than ever before, leading to a lot of morons doing dumbshit things with them. It's basically This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things.
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blugu64 posted:Maybe i don't understand something here, but what's the difference between "drones" and the rc planes/helicopters my granddad used to build and fly 30 years ago? The biggest thing? Drones allow a totally different type of person to get into the hobby with less pilot competence and low $$. You can literally walk into a department store, put down a few hundred bux and walk out the door with a large, forgiving drone that can literally fly itself. 30 years ago, it would have cost you well into $4figures$ to get into the hobby in a meaningful way. You'd likely spend dozens, if not hundreds of hours to build your aircraft yourself, generally learn the basics of RC flying with someone, and even then probably crash it first time out. I say this as someone who owns a drone, the ease flying and low $$ entry point brings in a totally different type of person. That said, a lot of these guys that are total jackasses and flying near airports and doing the mayhem you hear about are not exactly law-abiding citizens in the first place so I don't expect legislation to make a huge difference.
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One change that the legislation could bring is to make it legal for airports/governments to employ active anti-drone technology to enforce their boundaries. It's legal for the military since those authorities were included in the last version for the National Defense Authorization Act, but it's still illegal for everyone else to shoot down/jam/whatever drones when they misbehave.
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blugu64 posted:Maybe i don't understand something here, but what's the difference between "drones" and the rc planes/helicopters my granddad used to build and fly 30 years ago?
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You can tell who's been to the big empty field we fly our drones in and who hasn't.
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Drones, the Airbus of RC
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What happens when a drone goes into alternate law? 
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PT6A posted:What happens when a drone goes into alternate law? Shallower divot.
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Now that RC are called drone, law maker fells like they have to listen to them...
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Murgos posted:$5 and marking your drone so that people could figure out what dumbass caused an incident was too burdensome? Congress did get involved. They passed a law forbidding the FAA from doing what the FAA decided to do anyway. The court ruled that hey, FAA, you can't pass a regulation that Congress forbade you from passing.
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Is the Beech Staggerwing one of the prettiest little planes ever, or what? Can't think of many other biplanes with retractable landing gear. And the Starship: 
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FuturePastNow posted:Is the Beech Staggerwing one of the prettiest little planes ever, or what? Wow, both are beautiful!
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The starship is beautiful until you actually have to fly it.
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MikeCrotch posted:The starship is beautiful until you actually have to fly it. You're going to have to expand on that!
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FuturePastNow posted:Is the Beech Staggerwing one of the prettiest little planes ever, or what? Grumman FF, F2F, F3F. The retracted wheels always make me think of false eyespots on butterflies. e: Gregor FDB-1  Po I-153 Curtis Condor joat mon fucked around with this message at 14:29 on May 21, 2017 |
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FuturePastNow posted:Can't think of many other biplanes with retractable landing gear. And the Starship: This beauty 
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PT6A posted:Even the drone makers and commercial operators were in favour of this level of regulation, it was just idiot recreational operators who bitched, and those are exactly the sort who are most likely to do something stupid and dangerous. I thought most of the bitching was from the Academy of Model Aeronautics - that is, the people flying R/C aircraft the hard way. And their problem wasn't having to log on to some government website and pay $5, but rather the FAA's nasty habit of forgetting that drones have no business being subject to the same rules as manned aircraft. Such as when the no-fly zone around DC was expanded to something like 60 miles, such that it was loving over local R/C clubs in Virginia.
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PT6A posted:Even the drone makers and commercial operators were in favour of this level of regulation, it was just idiot recreational operators who bitched, and those are exactly the sort who are most likely to do something stupid and dangerous. The FAA has also realized that drones are far safer than anyone realized (except people like me who have been saying it for years): https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/dji-faa-report-drone-safety/
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Just let him rant, guys. A g-man killed Vitamin J's parents.
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gently caress drones.
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Arson Daily posted:gently caress drones. Bit risky with all those propellers, no?
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Arson Daily posted:gently caress drones. Marry planes.
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Thinking about the Staggerwing and other retractable-gear biplanes lead me to wonder what the biplane speed record was. 323 MPH, set by a Fiat CR.42:  There aren't many aviation records a mere mortal could break, but I bet a modern design could beat that.
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Ola posted:Marry planes. Kill helos Actual answer is gently caress helos, marry planes, kill drones CBJamo fucked around with this message at 18:08 on May 21, 2017 |
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meltie posted:You're going to have to expand on that! I thought I had read that the Starship was a pain in the rear end to fly because of its unusual design but apparently I entirely hallucinated that. Probably getting it mixed up with something else? 
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MikeCrotch posted:I thought I had read that the Starship was a pain in the rear end to fly because of its unusual design but apparently I entirely hallucinated that. Probably getting it mixed up with something else? It was a pain to maintain is probably what you were thinking.
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hobbesmaster posted:It was a pain to maintain is probably what you were thinking. Yeah, parts availability is a bitch At least it's not an Adam A500
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Arson Daily posted:gently caress drones.
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Kilonum posted:At least it's not an Adam A500 This made me wonder if Miami Vice did anything for that company, and uh: quote:filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy on 15 February 2008 So uh, no, but it doesn't end there: quote:The aircraft owners organized an aircraft type club, the A500 Owners Association, with the goal of convincing the new owners of the design at that time, AAI Acquisitions to provide parts support for the existing aircraft.[14] ouchhhh.
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I've crossed several more aircraft off the list of things I haven't seen fly in person this weekend: F-35 de havilland Vampire A-37 Dragonfly E-6 Mercury O-2 Skymaster A couple Skyraider variants F-35 max thrust takeoffs sure as gently caress make the place shake when the plane rotates.
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Now you've got me looking at tickets for the NY International Airshow. Did the F35 perform both days? (Assuming you're referring to an airshow)
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It did. I only went to one day. The F-35 didn't so much "perform" as just do the Heritage flight. It consisted of afterburner takeoff, some pretty basic but well done flybys with a P-51, a single high speed pass with burner going, then a single high-G turn at show center with burner to set up for landing. A couple aileron rolls and stuff thrown in, too. Nothing at all like the F-22 flight demo, which is a solid 20 minutes of insane poo poo.
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mlmp08 posted:I've crossed several more aircraft off the list of things I haven't seen fly in person this weekend: I saw the civvie version of the Skymaster in person for the first time the other day. gently caress, what an odd plane with an odd sound.
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