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pagancow posted:lets pose a hypethetical, lets say the best most stable, fastest operatiing system was made, but the only way you could get it was ad supported, would you still cling to your broken beta os, or move on like the rest of the people and use your saved money to buy something you actualy want? I'm running linux OP.
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May 19, 2017 16:29
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broken beta os. got it
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May 19, 2017 16:32
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That's what I'm saying I use it instead of windows 10.
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May 19, 2017 16:35
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What I'm saying is that it isn't a hypothetical also I use a regular cellular phone telephone instead of a smart phone.
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May 19, 2017 16:36
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if it's ad-supported it is broken, op
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May 19, 2017 16:39
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remember when ads payed out 25cents per click in like 1997, then the price tanked because advertisers realized they were massively overvalued? thats going to continue to happen until ads reach their true value, which is zero
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May 19, 2017 16:55
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it already has happened as alluded to in the mp3 thread. The articles were paid for by frauenhoffer to move licensors over to AAC native advertising is the new advertising since yall adblock
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May 19, 2017 18:23
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adblock is basic computer security and has been for as long as there have been malicious ads. advertisers did that to themselves.
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May 19, 2017 19:05
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yes: pay a reasonable one-time fee for a thing i like no: ad-supported "free" content with no purchase option loving no: ongoing subscription models
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May 19, 2017 19:12
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pagancow posted:it already has happened as alluded to in the mp3 thread. The articles were paid for by frauenhoffer to move licensors over to AAC native advertising gets around adblock but doesn't solve the problem of the inventory being utter poo poo. ads inject very well into a tv-watching session. ads are genuinely useful as a search result. but they're just a frustrating intrusion on your twitter timeline or fb messenger or snapchat or whatever. the problem is that a lot of modern media consumption habits just don't provide good ad inventory. "native" or whatever an ad network is selling this week won't wave that problem away with a magic wand. there is, so far, no advertising on a smartphone that both a.) doesn't suck and b.) could plausibly absorb the demand for advertising that presently exists.
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May 19, 2017 19:45
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Sagebrush posted:yes: pay a reasonable one-time fee for a thing i like disagreed, im a big fan of patreon
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May 19, 2017 23:48
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Bloody posted:disagreed, im a big fan of patreon "donate money to someone who does a thing you like" sounds like my item #1
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May 20, 2017 06:55
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you explicitly said one time though, patron is subscription
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May 20, 2017 11:07
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without ads, we couldn't keep standards of life up
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May 20, 2017 13:45
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without ads out lives would be like in utopia, the book not the concept
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May 20, 2017 15:33
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i'm doing just fine without ads
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May 20, 2017 17:41
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:native advertising gets around adblock but doesn't solve the problem of the inventory being utter poo poo. yeah I know facebook makes tons of money because they're just so huge but for all the targeting and segmentation they do the inventory is garbage and the idea of "if we don't have a good ad for this spot or user maybe don't show an ad at all" is an idea nobody will ever buy because their whole industry is based on covering the internet in crap so many of the ideas that are supposed to make mobile better end up being garbage, when "local" advertising is telling me I can get $2 off a sandwich at a shop that's 5 miles away that's not a good experience
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May 20, 2017 17:48
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Sagebrush posted:"donate money to someone who does a thing you like" sounds like my item #1 same, and i am happy to do it on a recurring basis, typically monthly or for each item the creator creates
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May 20, 2017 18:24
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Boiled Water posted:without ads out lives would be like in utopia, the book not the concept São Paulo removed all outdoor advertising and signage a decade ago and things became significantly better both from an aesthetic standpoint and because they could no longer hide crumbling buildings/infrastructure behind billboards 
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May 20, 2017 18:29
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ah, i thought patreon was like a paypal thing where you could just donate money to people who do things you like. i didn't realize it was a subscription. garbage.
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May 20, 2017 18:39
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nah its way better. i'm totally down with giving people whose work i like a dollar or two a month for long periods of time. when i and a few hundred or thousand other people do this, suddenly they have a steady income stream
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May 20, 2017 18:55
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May 20, 2017 20:20
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If you gaze into the TV then the TV gazes back into you
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May 20, 2017 20:24
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no really, my tv is currently probing into my rear end in a top hat to figure out optimal junk food ads to show me based on my fecal matter
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May 20, 2017 20:26
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Xaris posted:If you gaze into the TV 
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May 20, 2017 21:17
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good lord these are all the worst, ugliest house
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May 20, 2017 21:52
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Jimmy Carter posted:São Paulo removed all outdoor advertising and signage a decade ago and things became significantly better both from an aesthetic standpoint and because they could no longer hide crumbling buildings/infrastructure behind billboards seems like sao paulos problem was never as related
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May 20, 2017 21:57
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The future of ads are hyper personalized, or native based off the niche audience who is watching so the question is, do you watch niche content, or stuff for the masses?
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May 22, 2017 03:32
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pagancow posted:The future of ads are hyper personalized, or native based off the niche audience who is watching niche targeted display ads are currently made in bulk by offshore randos on fiverr, it's economically impossible to make more ads for less money search ads work because they're text so they're easy and cheap to make
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May 22, 2017 04:15
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lots of people desperately trying to make an obsolete model work, like geography-based content distribution rights in the digital age.
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May 22, 2017 04:36
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i'd happily make ads for a living i think
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May 22, 2017 04:45
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echinopsis posted:i'd happily make ads for a living i think i wouldn't. at least not on the creative end. imagine being constantly pressured by a coke-addled boss to take a product like paper or wheelchairs or towels and make it "sexy" and then feedback is "not sexy enough, do it over" ad nauseum
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May 22, 2017 06:03
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qirex posted:search ads work because they're text so they're easy and cheap to make search ads work because they are amazing loving inventory. you are showing an ad to someone who already wants whatever it is you are trying to sell. it's pure loving magic. you can't re-create that magic with something that isn't search. learning you like your aunt's eggplants on facebooks doesn't harvest any intent.
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May 22, 2017 06:19
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pagancow posted:The future of ads are hyper personalized, or native based off the niche audience who is watching hyper-personalization and niche content are pitches from increasingly-desperate ad men the truth is that advertising will be less valuable in the future than it is today. people staring at facebook on a smartphone are not as good an audience as television watchers and billboard viewers, and no amount of wishing will make it otherwise.
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May 22, 2017 06:21
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for the record, i love advertising. like, really love it. i often think how my life could have been different if i followed my dreams and wrote ad copy for a living. in reality i am a computer toucher. but i literally collect print advertising and frame fine examples in my home. and maintain vast archives of stuff not cool enough to frame just because i like it. and not even i am deluded enough to think micro-targeted native ads on a phone will save the industry
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May 22, 2017 06:23
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micro targeting also requires specialist knowledge and judgement that is hard to automate. if you target people who are posting pictures of fabric with florals and sewing patterns, chances are those people have strong feelings on things like quality, fabric pattern matching, stretch etc with regards to dress making. if you show them cheap fabric or ugly patterns because the algorithm doesn't have any taste or can't tell the different between quilters or dressmakers you don't get anywhere. actually what happens is the algorithm goes 'gently caress here's some quilting fabric with polar bears on it' because the smallest bucket they could find was 'fabric' and 'DIY' maybe one day the AI gets good enough to make this content dynamically and also measure customer reaction to quality before the ad goes up?
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May 22, 2017 08:18
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pagancow posted:The future of ads are hyper personalized, or native based off the niche audience who is watching i registered a joke domain the other day and now youtube on my iphone serves me buy this domain ads made for middle managers
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May 22, 2017 08:22
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ads are terrible and if you make ads you should be first against the wall #BlockAllAds
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May 22, 2017 13:26
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:for the record, i love advertising. like, really love it. i often think how my life could have been different if i followed my dreams and wrote ad copy for a living. I too love ads. i would not know that cars 3 was coming to theatres unless they put the stickers on my bananas!
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ok ok ok its monday AM and there is NO WAY that all you motherfuckers hate ads
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